Rising inflation and rising rates have created a challenging environment for retirees. At the same time, our industry is poised to offer significant protection. Today, we cover the waterfront with David Macchia, Founder & CEO of Wealth2k. We also talk about David’s project to deliver free financial planning services for underserved communities.
Links mentioned:
https://www.linkedin.com/in/macchia/
https://www.project6000minutes.com/
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[paul_tyler]: this is paul tyler and welcome
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[david_macchia]: oh
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[paul_tyler]: to another episode that annuity show ramsey
harry you
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[ramsey_d_smith]: fantastic always glad to be here
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[paul_tyler]: yeah well it’s we’ve had some interesting
interesting month coming up i mean actually can
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[paul_tyler]: be out at shortt connect
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[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
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[paul_tyler]: there’s some interesting overlap
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[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
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[paul_tyler]: with some of the people we’ve
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[ramsey_d_smith]: m
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[paul_tyler]: had on this show and some of
the people who participate in retire tech
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[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
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[paul_tyler]: event
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[ramsey_d_smith]: ah
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[paul_tyler]: so i’m
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[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
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[paul_tyler]: looking forward to seeing smal friends meeting
some new men which we have an old
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[ramsey_d_smith]: m
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[paul_tyler]: friend now an old
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[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
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[paul_tyler]: friend back on our program today
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[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
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[paul_tyler]: rams you want to do the introductions
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[ramsey_d_smith]: absolutely
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[paul_tyler]: oh
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[ramsey_d_smith]: we’re very lucky to have
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[paul_tyler]: oh
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[ramsey_d_smith]: david mark rejoin us to talk about
some of the things that he’s been doing
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[ramsey_d_smith]: in the in the few months since
the last time we had on the show
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[ramsey_d_smith]: m david for those of you don’t
know is the founder and co of wealth
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[ramsey_d_smith]: to k he’s also a very prolific
and passionate writer about about many and all
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[ramsey_d_smith]: things retirement income you know built particularly
around the concept of a constrained investor which
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[ramsey_d_smith]: is something we talked about on his
on his
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[paul_tyler]: yeah
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[ramsey_d_smith]: last visit here in addition to that
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[paul_tyler]: yeah
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[ramsey_d_smith]: he is launched a new product
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[paul_tyler]: yeah
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[ramsey_d_smith]: you should say a new project rather
that he’s going to
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[paul_tyler]: oh
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[ramsey_d_smith]: share the outlines with us on today
which is called project six thousand minutes a
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[ramsey_d_smith]: really very interesting initiative so with that
welcome back to the show david and we
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[ramsey_d_smith]: look forward to our chat today so
tell us
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[david_macchia]: yeah
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[ramsey_d_smith]: what are some of the key things
you’re focusing on lately
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[david_macchia]: ah
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[paul_tyler]: yeah
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[david_macchia]: first of all thank you ramsey and
thank you paul
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[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
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[paul_tyler]: yeah
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[david_macchia]: for having me back i very much
enjoyed being with you
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[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
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[david_macchia]: so you mentioned project six thousand minutes
and over the last several months this is
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[david_macchia]: something
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[ramsey_d_smith]: m
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[david_macchia]: that’s been very much on top of
my agenda it’s forming just now but
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[ramsey_d_smith]: m
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[david_macchia]: give folks an outline of what it
is those of us who’ve been blessed with
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[david_macchia]: advantages and
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[paul_tyler]: yah
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[david_macchia]: have done you know well
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[paul_tyler]: yeah
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[david_macchia]: financially you think about at some point
in your life giving back and you know
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[david_macchia]: my belief about giving back is that
one of the greatest gifts one can give
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[david_macchia]: is education education is the way for
because i think to elevate themselves in my
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[david_macchia]: own
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[paul_tyler]: yeah
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[david_macchia]: life i can point to education as
being instrumental
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[paul_tyler]: yeah
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[david_macchia]: in helping me you know elevate where
i was and when i started to where
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[david_macchia]: i became over time and the idea
of project six thousand minutes is a way
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[david_macchia]: for people to help contribute to building
a more equitable society specifically project six thousand
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[paul_tyler]: oh
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[david_macchia]: minutes aims to deliver free financial education
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[paul_tyler]: oh
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[david_macchia]: to women from undeserved communities black women
hispanic women latina women and other
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[paul_tyler]: okay
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[david_macchia]: women from undeserved communities who need basic
financial education well you say well how would
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[david_macchia]: that happen how does that actually play
out
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[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
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[david_macchia]: well think of this the financial advisor
community collectively possesses a level
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[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
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[david_macchia]: of wisdom that’s unmatched
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[paul_tyler]: yeah
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[david_macchia]: so the idea of project six thousand
minutes as advisors would donate two hours per
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[david_macchia]: week of their time
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[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
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[david_macchia]: to deliver education in their local communities
in any number of
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[ramsey_d_smith]: yes
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[david_macchia]: venus to profit organization s places of
worships community centers or
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[ramsey_d_smith]: ye
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[david_macchia]: online or online and by doing that
we can leverage the financial advisor community in
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[david_macchia]: a way that will help really build
a more the bow and stronger society the
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[david_macchia]: name project six thousand minutes
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[paul_tyler]: oh
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[david_macchia]: comes from the idea that
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[paul_tyler]: my
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[david_macchia]: if an advisor
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[ramsey_d_smith]: m
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[david_macchia]: devotes two hours per week over the
cost of fifty weeks that’s six thousand minutes
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[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
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[david_macchia]: so i think you know if
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[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
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[david_macchia]: we are able to get this off
the ground successfully and have a large number
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[david_macchia]: of financial advisors
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[paul_tyler]: oh
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[ramsey_d_smith]: m
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[david_macchia]: deliver education we will change people’s lives
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[paul_tyler]: yeah
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[david_macchia]: to some extent and i think it
will also become
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[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
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[david_macchia]: a way to educate women who some
of whom will say you know
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[ramsey_d_smith]: yes
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[david_macchia]: i love this topic i love learning
about financial issues perhaps i’ll pursue a career
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[david_macchia]: as a financial advisor and of course
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[paul_tyler]: yeah
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[david_macchia]: you know we need to have women
um
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[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
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[david_macchia]: you know in the ranks of the
financial advisor community and we specifically
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[ramsey_d_smith]: m
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[david_macchia]: need to have more minority women in
the ranks of financial advisor community
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[ramsey_d_smith]: m
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[david_macchia]: perhaps this and become a pipeline to
you know try to address that long standing
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[david_macchia]: aspiration we need support we need support
of financial advisors we need support of sponsors
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[david_macchia]: at the corporate level
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[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
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[david_macchia]: anyone can learn about this initiative
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[ramsey_d_smith]: yea
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[david_macchia]: at the website project
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[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
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[david_macchia]: six thousand minutes dot com
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[ramsey_d_smith]: ye
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[david_macchia]: i’ll help you visit
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[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
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[david_macchia]: it and i help you learn and
i help you think about contributing to this
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[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
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[paul_tyler]: yeah
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[david_macchia]: and thanks for giving me an opportunity
to talk about
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[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
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[david_macchia]: it
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[paul_tyler]: yeah and just just
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[david_macchia]: oh
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[paul_tyler]: is i think it’s fabulous idea you
know now i will say i one of
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[paul_tyler]: my
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[david_macchia]: m
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[paul_tyler]: strange you know one of my
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[david_macchia]: m
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[paul_tyler]: simons had a prim
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[david_macchia]: oh
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[paul_tyler]: prior company was run reliance
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[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
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[paul_tyler]: right so i’ve learned to put my
compliant
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[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
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[paul_tyler]: healthy
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[david_macchia]: oh
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[paul_tyler]: skeptical hat on here so dave how
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[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
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[paul_tyler]: how do you know you’re in the
design phase
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[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
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[paul_tyler]: of this how do you keep this
from being like a legion
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[ramsey_d_smith]: right
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[paul_tyler]: opportunity and it’s us
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[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
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[paul_tyler]: and rather keep it
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[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
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[paul_tyler]: as a give back to a community
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[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
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[paul_tyler]: you know wat are the so are
you selecting agents you know what’s the how
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[paul_tyler]: do you kind of put guard rails
up on this
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[david_macchia]: it’s a great
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[paul_tyler]: oh
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[david_macchia]: question and i’m not sure i have
a perfect
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[ramsey_d_smith]: yes
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[david_macchia]: answer yet
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[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
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[david_macchia]: i think the people who will
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[ramsey_d_smith]: ye
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[david_macchia]: respond to this those who genuinely want
to get back by don’t
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[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
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[david_macchia]: in some of their time and some
of their brain power to
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[ramsey_d_smith]: yes
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[david_macchia]: people who can benefit
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[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
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[david_macchia]: from it
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[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
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[david_macchia]: i never really conceived of
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[ramsey_d_smith]: m
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[david_macchia]: it as as anything other than that
paul
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[paul_tyler]: yeah
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[david_macchia]: and i don’t
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[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
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[david_macchia]: think it will be you know we
want to
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[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
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[david_macchia]: form this in a non profit structure
we wanted to be you know clean
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[ramsey_d_smith]: m
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[david_macchia]: and proper
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[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
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[david_macchia]: and appropriate and devoted to its mission
and only its mission so i mean it
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[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
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[david_macchia]: wouldn’t be good to have it stray
into into anything
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[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
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[david_macchia]: that becomes more commercial let’s put it
that way
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[ramsey_d_smith]: so interestingly i mean in some ways
i want to take the
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[david_macchia]: oh
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[ramsey_d_smith]: other side of your point paul
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[david_macchia]: hm
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[paul_tyler]: yeah
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[ramsey_d_smith]: right
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[david_macchia]: i
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[ramsey_d_smith]: um i think that that one of
the one of the challenges in financial advice
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[ramsey_d_smith]: is is that there there still is
a large part of the population that isn’t
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[ramsey_d_smith]: covered part of it reason it’s not
covered is a lack of understanding part of
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[ramsey_d_smith]: it’s a lack of trust
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[paul_tyler]: yeah
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[ramsey_d_smith]: and in my mind you know an
initiative like this you know allows more people
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[ramsey_d_smith]: to understand one what they need to
do in their personal finances and two quite
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[ramsey_d_smith]: importantly kind of bifricate what part of
this can i handle myself versus o things
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[ramsey_d_smith]: that i might actually seek seek
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[paul_tyler]: yeah
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[ramsey_d_smith]: seek seek
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[ramsey_d_smith]: advice on so in my view like
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[ramsey_d_smith]: down the road maybe not this year
but maybe maybe those people are clients ten
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[ramsey_d_smith]: years down the road for the right
for the broader community
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[david_macchia]: oh
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[ramsey_d_smith]: and you you ultimately end up potentially
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[david_macchia]: yeah
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[ramsey_d_smith]: some some new advisors down the road
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[paul_tyler]: oh
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[ramsey_d_smith]: um one other point that i’ll put
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[paul_tyler]: yeah
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[david_macchia]: oh
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[ramsey_d_smith]: is that actually think one of things
that it is often underestimated about the value
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[ramsey_d_smith]: of non profit work is it you
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[ramsey_d_smith]: with people on something about which they’re
very passionate so the people like so so
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[david_macchia]: hm
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[ramsey_d_smith]: david you’re going to pursue this an
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[ramsey_d_smith]: people on this and
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[david_macchia]: oh
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[ramsey_d_smith]: and my sense is your on get
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[david_macchia]: yeah
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[ramsey_d_smith]: those people and there will be now
work opportunities there as well that you know
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[ramsey_d_smith]: create other energies so
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[paul_tyler]: yeah
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[ramsey_d_smith]: i think this is a fantastic idea
who knows like what you know how all
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[paul_tyler]: oh
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[ramsey_d_smith]: those things will come out but i
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[paul_tyler]: yeah
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[ramsey_d_smith]: think it it can and end up
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[david_macchia]: yeah
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[ramsey_d_smith]: that’s beneficial to everybody
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[paul_tyler]: yeah no
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[david_macchia]: all right
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[paul_tyler]: listen david we talked about this a
little bit i’m not
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[david_macchia]: m
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[paul_tyler]: sure if you could hear me
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[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
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[paul_tyler]: on
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[david_macchia]: m
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[paul_tyler]: the phone but i think it’s a
great idea if i were had
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[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
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[paul_tyler]: an agency or a
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[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
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[paul_tyler]: firm in a community would speak right
way give back with resources give my skills
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[paul_tyler]: back to the community
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[ramsey_d_smith]: m
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[paul_tyler]: and your ram
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[ramsey_d_smith]: m
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[paul_tyler]: right done properly it probably does generate
a lot furls it probably engenders david is
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[paul_tyler]: probably one of the best brand building
things i could do in a community
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[david_macchia]: i think
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[paul_tyler]: oh
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[david_macchia]: that’s right i think i agree with
both of you i think it reflects
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[ramsey_d_smith]: m
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[david_macchia]: positively on the advisor who’s donating
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[paul_tyler]: yeah
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[david_macchia]: time and trying to make a contribution
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[ramsey_d_smith]: m
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[david_macchia]: to his or her community
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[paul_tyler]: yeah
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[david_macchia]: you know that’s absolutely true i can’t
i can’t disagree with that at all i
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[david_macchia]: think you’re absolutely right about it and
i’m excited and i
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[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
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[david_macchia]: i hope like i said i hope
folks will
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[paul_tyler]: oh
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[david_macchia]: go to the website and i hope
we can enlist
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[paul_tyler]: yeah
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[david_macchia]: some sponsors
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[paul_tyler]: oh
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[david_macchia]: from the corporal level i don’t think
this can work without corporate participation
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[paul_tyler]: agree
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[david_macchia]: because the financial advisors contribution that doesn’t
need to be and shouldn’t be direct
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[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
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[david_macchia]: cash contributions it
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[ramsey_d_smith]: ye
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[david_macchia]: should be in time and and the
conveyance
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[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
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[david_macchia]: of his or her wisdom
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[paul_tyler]: oh
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[david_macchia]: that’s that’s really the gold standard contribution
here
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[paul_tyler]: yeah ramsey i think of you know
wendy cops
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[ramsey_d_smith]: m
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[paul_tyler]: teacher for america
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[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
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[david_macchia]: yeah
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[paul_tyler]: project right that
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[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
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[paul_tyler]: was a senior thesis you
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[david_macchia]: oh
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[paul_tyler]: know david to at
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[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
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[david_macchia]: oh
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[paul_tyler]: that turned into like amazing organization
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[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
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[david_macchia]: m
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[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
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[david_macchia]: m
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[ramsey_d_smith]: used to sit in the same computer
room at school
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[paul_tyler]: oh
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[david_macchia]: m
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[ramsey_d_smith]: at the next computer she was writing
that senior thesis
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[paul_tyler]: really
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[ramsey_d_smith]: back
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[david_macchia]: wow
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[ramsey_d_smith]: and like the lady if you can
believe it
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[david_macchia]: wow amazing
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[paul_tyler]: yeah
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[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
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[paul_tyler]: there’s a lot of power there you
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[ramsey_d_smith]: yeh
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[paul_tyler]: you know again i’m just
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[david_macchia]: m
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[paul_tyler]: like i’m one
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[david_macchia]: oh
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[paul_tyler]: of these people
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[ramsey_d_smith]: m
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[paul_tyler]: want to like take that take
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[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
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[paul_tyler]: the hammer out start building
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[david_macchia]: m
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[paul_tyler]: this stuff yeah i think i think
you definitely would need
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[david_macchia]: m
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[paul_tyler]: like a a large
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[david_macchia]: yeah
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[paul_tyler]: carrier with some probably some fairly tied
distribution captive is oxymoreon this business but we
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[paul_tyler]: use a lot right you need the
coverage because
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[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
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[paul_tyler]: boy you
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[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
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[paul_tyler]: mean well but you’ve got you attorneys
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[ramsey_d_smith]: m
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[paul_tyler]: you know that who be very happy
to take some
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[ramsey_d_smith]: m
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[paul_tyler]: cases here so i think you have
to think that you know coverage right
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[david_macchia]: yeah
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[paul_tyler]: the program that i’m assuming this would
tie
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[david_macchia]: oh
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[paul_tyler]: in your your platform
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[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
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[paul_tyler]: would actually be a good name for
for an effort like this correct
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[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
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[david_macchia]: that
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[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
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[david_macchia]: that hadn’t been in my mind at
all i wasn’t looking for any
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[paul_tyler]: oh
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[david_macchia]: kind of ties directly
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[paul_tyler]: yeah
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[david_macchia]: to anything i’m doing another facets of
my life so i think one of one
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[david_macchia]: of
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[paul_tyler]: oh
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[david_macchia]: the great things here i said a
you know one of the things i’ve written
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[david_macchia]: about and you guys know this is
this the warring factions of financial services right
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[david_macchia]: the r a community that looks
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[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
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[david_macchia]: down to the insurance community the insurance
community that says you’re
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[paul_tyler]: oh
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[david_macchia]: hypocrites because
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[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
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[david_macchia]: you’re
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[paul_tyler]: yeah
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[david_macchia]: pay structure actually is
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[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
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[david_macchia]: more than my commission you know the
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[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
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[david_macchia]: thing you have
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[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
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[david_macchia]: all these warring factions and it’s
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[paul_tyler]: oh
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[david_macchia]: and i said wouldn’t it be great
if there was something that everybody could galvanize
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[david_macchia]: around and contribute their competency to because
the truth of the matter is every facet
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[david_macchia]: of the advisor community has very specific
knowledge that’s valuable right and in constructing
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[ramsey_d_smith]: m
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[david_macchia]: someone’s
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[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
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[david_macchia]: foundational life right in terms of finance
all of it matters it’s just not one
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[david_macchia]: perspective that matters
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[ramsey_d_smith]: ye
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[david_macchia]: all the perspectives matter and so my
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[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
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[david_macchia]: my hope is that
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[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
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[david_macchia]: no matter what area of financial services
you’re you’re from and no matter how you
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[david_macchia]: are regulated
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[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
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[david_macchia]: and what you all yourself on your
business card you have a place to contribute
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[ramsey_d_smith]: m
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[david_macchia]: here and so i didn’t define any
platform or idea of how this should you
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[david_macchia]: play out what we will do is
we’ll create a curriculum
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[paul_tyler]: s
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[david_macchia]: you know that the people can run
with that that is addresses all the areas
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[david_macchia]: of finance that we need
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[ramsey_d_smith]: m
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[david_macchia]: to educate on
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[paul_tyler]: yeah
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[david_macchia]: that for sure will
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[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
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[david_macchia]: do
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[paul_tyler]: you know
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[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
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[paul_tyler]: m thinking back you know i’m sure
you have so mature boy harry stout’s book
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[paul_tyler]: you know the financial verse we had
harry
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[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
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[paul_tyler]: stout on there
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[david_macchia]: yep
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[paul_tyler]: he’s
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[ramsey_d_smith]: m
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[david_macchia]: yep
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[paul_tyler]: you’ve got a good set of books
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[david_macchia]: m
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[paul_tyler]: there i’m sure so
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[ramsey_d_smith]: m
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[paul_tyler]: harry love the
437
00:12:21,200 –> 00:12:21,344
[david_macchia]: yep
438
00:12:21,267 –> 00:12:22,656
[paul_tyler]: cardinal with you on something like this
439
00:12:23,600 –> 00:12:24,483
[david_macchia]: yeah i like harry
440
00:12:24,365 –> 00:12:24,385
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
441
00:12:24,703 –> 00:12:25,746
[david_macchia]: i can talk to harry about it
442
00:12:25,740 –> 00:12:25,820
[paul_tyler]: ah
443
00:12:25,787 –> 00:12:26,128
[david_macchia]: for sure
444
00:12:26,761 –> 00:12:30,826
[paul_tyler]: so this is cool i think this
is great now david any way we can
445
00:12:30,886 –> 00:12:32,167
[paul_tyler]: help you know let us know
446
00:12:32,564 –> 00:12:32,585
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
447
00:12:34,440 –> 00:12:34,982
[david_macchia]: thank you polly
448
00:12:35,021 –> 00:12:36,243
[paul_tyler]: yeah i had a question
449
00:12:35,867 –> 00:12:36,464
[ramsey_d_smith]: and then what
450
00:12:36,624 –> 00:12:37,225
[paul_tyler]: on financial
451
00:12:37,175 –> 00:12:37,482
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
452
00:12:37,505 –> 00:12:38,467
[paul_tyler]: you now what his financial
453
00:12:38,165 –> 00:12:38,407
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
454
00:12:38,527 –> 00:12:41,873
[paul_tyler]: literacy came in from from you know
writer
455
00:12:41,855 –> 00:12:42,120
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
456
00:12:42,750 –> 00:12:43,013
[david_macchia]: oh
457
00:12:42,995 –> 00:12:45,859
[paul_tyler]: s a couple of days ago and
that was that was a hard question david
458
00:12:46,181 –> 00:12:48,150
[paul_tyler]: how what is financial literacy how do
459
00:12:48,185 –> 00:12:48,205
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
460
00:12:48,210 –> 00:12:51,112
[paul_tyler]: you answer that question oh
461
00:12:51,341 –> 00:12:55,528
[david_macchia]: well i think it’s what we don’t
teach in school right we do an awful
462
00:12:55,503 –> 00:12:55,603
[paul_tyler]: it’s
463
00:12:55,608 –> 00:12:55,868
[david_macchia]: job
464
00:12:55,663 –> 00:12:56,145
[paul_tyler]: a negative
465
00:12:55,895 –> 00:12:55,915
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
466
00:12:56,626 –> 00:12:56,846
[paul_tyler]: yes
467
00:12:57,110 –> 00:12:57,791
[david_macchia]: we do an awful
468
00:12:57,819 –> 00:12:57,839
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
469
00:12:57,891 –> 00:12:58,312
[david_macchia]: job of
470
00:12:58,782 –> 00:12:58,966
[paul_tyler]: yeah
471
00:12:58,853 –> 00:12:59,294
[david_macchia]: failing
472
00:12:59,610 –> 00:12:59,793
[paul_tyler]: oh
473
00:12:59,694 –> 00:13:00,656
[david_macchia]: to educate people
474
00:13:00,344 –> 00:13:00,365
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
475
00:13:00,690 –> 00:13:01,560
[paul_tyler]: yeah
476
00:13:00,875 –> 00:13:01,159
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
477
00:13:00,896 –> 00:13:05,464
[david_macchia]: on on understanding how to build wealth
how to avoid debt how to
478
00:13:05,550 –> 00:13:05,791
[paul_tyler]: yeah
479
00:13:05,584 –> 00:13:07,027
[david_macchia]: avoid extraneous costs
480
00:13:07,140 –> 00:13:07,340
[paul_tyler]: yeah
481
00:13:07,207 –> 00:13:11,895
[david_macchia]: that deprive people of having you know
wealth how to live within a budget what
482
00:13:11,935 –> 00:13:15,220
[david_macchia]: does a budget even mean how to
have a personal finance statement
483
00:13:15,270 –> 00:13:16,050
[paul_tyler]: oh
484
00:13:16,062 –> 00:13:22,352
[david_macchia]: this is basic stuff but it’s not
something that people are taught and you know
485
00:13:22,412 –> 00:13:25,998
[david_macchia]: and then when you get into the
more you know older people in retirement it
486
00:13:26,038 –> 00:13:27,260
[david_macchia]: gets even more omplicated
487
00:13:26,744 –> 00:13:26,765
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
488
00:13:27,360 –> 00:13:27,645
[paul_tyler]: oh
489
00:13:27,845 –> 00:13:27,865
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
490
00:13:28,042 –> 00:13:31,107
[david_macchia]: you know how do you think about
social security how s that handle how do
491
00:13:31,167 –> 00:13:34,513
[david_macchia]: you use money to create income there’s
492
00:13:34,475 –> 00:13:35,083
[ramsey_d_smith]: ye
493
00:13:34,613 –> 00:13:37,377
[david_macchia]: so many issues there’s so many issues
and such a deficit
494
00:13:37,274 –> 00:13:37,295
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
495
00:13:37,658 –> 00:13:39,623
[david_macchia]: of understanding knowledge about them
496
00:13:39,810 –> 00:13:40,560
[paul_tyler]: yeah
497
00:13:40,505 –> 00:13:41,375
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
498
00:13:40,566 –> 00:13:43,838
[david_macchia]: and that’s where i think we can
we can make a tangible impact
499
00:13:44,653 –> 00:13:44,733
[paul_tyler]: what
500
00:13:44,684 –> 00:13:44,705
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
501
00:13:44,773 –> 00:13:49,004
[paul_tyler]: do you think is financial literacy a
course i take and a grade that i
502
00:13:49,104 –> 00:13:49,745
[paul_tyler]: receive like
503
00:13:50,100 –> 00:13:50,362
[david_macchia]: yah
504
00:13:50,106 –> 00:13:50,828
[paul_tyler]: it pass fail
505
00:13:51,028 –> 00:13:51,150
[david_macchia]: yah
506
00:13:51,390 –> 00:13:51,793
[paul_tyler]: yeah
507
00:13:52,209 –> 00:13:54,372
[ramsey_d_smith]: you know it’s it’s interesting a view
financial
508
00:13:54,060 –> 00:13:55,170
[paul_tyler]: oh
509
00:13:54,433 –> 00:13:55,494
[ramsey_d_smith]: literacy is something
510
00:13:55,290 –> 00:13:56,610
[paul_tyler]: yeah
511
00:13:55,554 –> 00:14:02,025
[ramsey_d_smith]: that’s a that’s developed over a lifetime
right because things change both like what available
512
00:14:02,085 –> 00:14:04,269
[ramsey_d_smith]: in the market the market itself as
well as like
513
00:14:04,261 –> 00:14:04,342
[paul_tyler]: we
514
00:14:04,309 –> 00:14:05,591
[ramsey_d_smith]: your personal situation so
515
00:14:05,700 –> 00:14:05,920
[david_macchia]: oh
516
00:14:07,013 –> 00:14:10,159
[ramsey_d_smith]: as much as anything else i kind
of think of financial literacy as
517
00:14:10,500 –> 00:14:10,683
[david_macchia]: oh
518
00:14:10,740 –> 00:14:15,868
[ramsey_d_smith]: as a habit you develop the expectation
you’re never going to get it exactly right
519
00:14:16,169 –> 00:14:20,616
[ramsey_d_smith]: but it’s better to make make decisions
than to succumb
520
00:14:20,580 –> 00:14:22,050
[paul_tyler]: yeah
521
00:14:20,656 –> 00:14:22,179
[ramsey_d_smith]: to not making decisions which usually
522
00:14:22,080 –> 00:14:22,100
[paul_tyler]: m
523
00:14:22,219 –> 00:14:27,628
[ramsey_d_smith]: are where the biggest mistakes happening with
respect to once personal finances so i’ve
524
00:14:27,474 –> 00:14:27,990
[paul_tyler]: right
525
00:14:27,690 –> 00:14:27,771
[david_macchia]: ah
526
00:14:28,289 –> 00:14:31,234
[ramsey_d_smith]: i’ve become a bit cynical in that
i used to think you could truly solve
527
00:14:31,294 –> 00:14:34,479
[ramsey_d_smith]: financial literacy and if you just sort
of taught it better and i think that
528
00:14:34,539 –> 00:14:37,625
[ramsey_d_smith]: actually it’s more of an attitude than
anything else
529
00:14:37,980 –> 00:14:38,000
[david_macchia]: m
530
00:14:38,145 –> 00:14:38,265
[ramsey_d_smith]: and
531
00:14:38,191 –> 00:14:38,271
[paul_tyler]: ah
532
00:14:38,986 –> 00:14:41,649
[ramsey_d_smith]: and so that’s why that’s why tools
like this need to be available
533
00:14:41,532 –> 00:14:41,613
[paul_tyler]: ah
534
00:14:41,689 –> 00:14:42,029
[ramsey_d_smith]: to people so
535
00:14:42,000 –> 00:14:42,020
[david_macchia]: m
536
00:14:42,049 –> 00:14:42,509
[ramsey_d_smith]: they can start
537
00:14:42,480 –> 00:14:42,742
[paul_tyler]: oh
538
00:14:43,210 –> 00:14:46,714
[ramsey_d_smith]: thinking about it in corporate ncorporating into
their right in their daily lives
539
00:14:46,981 –> 00:14:47,922
[paul_tyler]: yeah i like the
540
00:14:47,872 –> 00:14:47,892
[david_macchia]: i
541
00:14:47,962 –> 00:14:49,184
[paul_tyler]: word actions david i mean
542
00:14:49,286 –> 00:14:49,487
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
543
00:14:49,525 –> 00:14:51,648
[paul_tyler]: what would you i mean i go
544
00:14:51,755 –> 00:14:52,895
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
545
00:14:51,789 –> 00:14:54,994
[paul_tyler]: through i you know i received
546
00:14:54,545 –> 00:14:54,867
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
547
00:14:56,316 –> 00:14:56,797
[paul_tyler]: counseling
548
00:14:56,739 –> 00:14:56,760
[david_macchia]: m
549
00:14:56,897 –> 00:14:58,339
[paul_tyler]: from you know somebody in a program
550
00:14:58,380 –> 00:14:58,604
[david_macchia]: oh
551
00:14:58,520 –> 00:14:59,981
[paul_tyler]: my financially literate in life
552
00:15:00,060 –> 00:15:00,080
[david_macchia]: m
553
00:15:00,181 –> 00:15:00,662
[paul_tyler]: financially
554
00:15:00,335 –> 00:15:00,576
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
555
00:15:00,722 –> 00:15:01,322
[paul_tyler]: empowered
556
00:15:01,775 –> 00:15:01,795
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
557
00:15:02,303 –> 00:15:03,685
[paul_tyler]: in my financially
558
00:15:03,480 –> 00:15:03,662
[david_macchia]: yeah
559
00:15:05,727 –> 00:15:06,147
[paul_tyler]: aware
560
00:15:07,842 –> 00:15:08,243
[david_macchia]: well i think
561
00:15:08,276 –> 00:15:08,296
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
562
00:15:08,283 –> 00:15:08,964
[david_macchia]: of it as confident
563
00:15:09,140 –> 00:15:09,302
[paul_tyler]: yeah
564
00:15:09,805 –> 00:15:10,066
[david_macchia]: i mean if
565
00:15:10,175 –> 00:15:10,195
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
566
00:15:10,286 –> 00:15:12,009
[david_macchia]: we can make people financially confident
567
00:15:12,055 –> 00:15:12,598
[ramsey_d_smith]: it’s a good word
568
00:15:12,950 –> 00:15:13,830
[paul_tyler]: yeah
569
00:15:13,220 –> 00:15:14,544
[david_macchia]: that’s that’s that’s
570
00:15:14,517 –> 00:15:14,660
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
571
00:15:14,625 –> 00:15:15,468
[david_macchia]: a real accomplishment
572
00:15:15,650 –> 00:15:18,317
[paul_tyler]: natural clinfrence although sometimes you can’t use
confrentwen should be
573
00:15:20,141 –> 00:15:24,350
[david_macchia]: perhaps yeah but i think if you
were to somehow pull people and so you
574
00:15:24,470 –> 00:15:25,893
[david_macchia]: really confident about finances
575
00:15:25,582 –> 00:15:25,804
[paul_tyler]: right
576
00:15:26,154 –> 00:15:26,895
[david_macchia]: i think a lot of people
577
00:15:26,850 –> 00:15:27,320
[paul_tyler]: oh
578
00:15:26,935 –> 00:15:27,076
[david_macchia]: would
579
00:15:27,014 –> 00:15:27,035
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
580
00:15:27,116 –> 00:15:27,396
[david_macchia]: say no
581
00:15:28,214 –> 00:15:29,915
[ramsey_d_smith]: m yah
582
00:15:28,310 –> 00:15:31,494
[paul_tyler]: yeah we got we should we got
to come up with a word for this
583
00:15:32,074 –> 00:15:33,436
[paul_tyler]: ramsey we’ve got it right
584
00:15:33,908 –> 00:15:34,068
[ramsey_d_smith]: but i
585
00:15:34,080 –> 00:15:34,361
[david_macchia]: yeah
586
00:15:34,168 –> 00:15:38,375
[ramsey_d_smith]: like i like things around like attitude
and confidence i like things that are described
587
00:15:38,415 –> 00:15:39,076
[ramsey_d_smith]: behaviorly
588
00:15:40,050 –> 00:15:40,251
[paul_tyler]: oh
589
00:15:40,058 –> 00:15:40,218
[ramsey_d_smith]: right
590
00:15:40,176 –> 00:15:40,770
[david_macchia]: hm
591
00:15:40,438 –> 00:15:41,881
[ramsey_d_smith]: just because i think it’s
592
00:15:42,030 –> 00:15:42,630
[paul_tyler]: yeah
593
00:15:42,802 –> 00:15:46,829
[ramsey_d_smith]: i think it’s i think it’s an
going process and an attitude is opposed to
594
00:15:47,230 –> 00:15:49,253
[ramsey_d_smith]: you know i got i got the
diploma
595
00:15:49,290 –> 00:15:49,552
[paul_tyler]: oh
596
00:15:49,754 –> 00:15:50,656
[ramsey_d_smith]: and now it all works
597
00:15:51,050 –> 00:15:51,232
[paul_tyler]: yeah
598
00:15:51,216 –> 00:15:54,662
[ramsey_d_smith]: right it’s it’s discipline right like it’s
599
00:15:54,911 –> 00:15:56,737
[paul_tyler]: he
600
00:15:55,464 –> 00:15:59,450
[ramsey_d_smith]: t’s up quote harry stout is like
it’s it’s eating brocoli you know when you
601
00:15:59,490 –> 00:16:00,151
[ramsey_d_smith]: want to eat doughnuts
602
00:16:01,000 –> 00:16:01,161
[david_macchia]: yeah
603
00:16:01,253 –> 00:16:01,714
[ramsey_d_smith]: i’m loosely
604
00:16:01,948 –> 00:16:02,110
[david_macchia]: yeah
605
00:16:02,215 –> 00:16:06,642
[ramsey_d_smith]: i’m loosely i’m loosely i’m loosely paraphrasing
him but but that’s the idea
606
00:16:06,600 –> 00:16:06,843
[paul_tyler]: oh
607
00:16:06,722 –> 00:16:09,991
[ramsey_d_smith]: it’s like it’s behave pieces are really
very important
608
00:16:10,230 –> 00:16:10,515
[paul_tyler]: oh
609
00:16:10,551 –> 00:16:11,416
[david_macchia]: yeah huge
610
00:16:11,590 –> 00:16:12,571
[paul_tyler]: so okay david
611
00:16:12,390 –> 00:16:12,410
[david_macchia]: m
612
00:16:12,591 –> 00:16:13,552
[paul_tyler]: you’ve been out about
613
00:16:14,139 –> 00:16:14,160
[david_macchia]: m
614
00:16:14,514 –> 00:16:20,122
[paul_tyler]: maybe we talked about just the industry
as a whole so i mean what’s happening
615
00:16:20,503 –> 00:16:22,389
[paul_tyler]: wow every time i open
616
00:16:22,434 –> 00:16:22,474
[david_macchia]: m
617
00:16:22,629 –> 00:16:23,311
[paul_tyler]: the new site
618
00:16:23,525 –> 00:16:24,455
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
619
00:16:24,134 –> 00:16:24,756
[paul_tyler]: the environment
620
00:16:24,459 –> 00:16:24,684
[david_macchia]: m oh
621
00:16:24,796 –> 00:16:25,538
[paul_tyler]: has changed
622
00:16:27,035 –> 00:16:27,317
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
623
00:16:27,763 –> 00:16:28,123
[david_macchia]: so much
624
00:16:28,980 –> 00:16:29,240
[paul_tyler]: yeah
625
00:16:29,193 –> 00:16:29,375
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
626
00:16:29,305 –> 00:16:29,465
[david_macchia]: well
627
00:16:29,585 –> 00:16:29,867
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
628
00:16:29,726 –> 00:16:33,652
[david_macchia]: i think we were on the other
side of a fourteen year bull
629
00:16:33,494 –> 00:16:33,515
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
630
00:16:33,733 –> 00:16:34,093
[david_macchia]: market
631
00:16:34,260 –> 00:16:35,149
[paul_tyler]: yea
632
00:16:34,734 –> 00:16:34,914
[david_macchia]: that
633
00:16:34,805 –> 00:16:36,785
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
634
00:16:35,335 –> 00:16:40,223
[david_macchia]: essentially was engineered to be a bull
market physical policy unprecedented
635
00:16:39,999 –> 00:16:40,020
[paul_tyler]: m
636
00:16:40,263 –> 00:16:42,407
[david_macchia]: levels of physical policy stimulus and
637
00:16:42,635 –> 00:16:43,775
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
638
00:16:43,308 –> 00:16:45,192
[david_macchia]: and the creation of nine trillion
639
00:16:45,187 –> 00:16:45,208
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
640
00:16:45,252 –> 00:16:47,836
[david_macchia]: dollars by the federal reserve which drove
641
00:16:47,675 –> 00:16:47,958
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
642
00:16:47,956 –> 00:16:50,962
[david_macchia]: acid prices you know the stratispheric low
s and
643
00:16:51,005 –> 00:16:51,288
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
644
00:16:51,022 –> 00:16:54,589
[david_macchia]: i think we’re seeing the other side
of you know the inevitable counter than that
645
00:16:54,769 –> 00:16:54,870
[david_macchia]: now
646
00:16:55,873 –> 00:16:55,955
[paul_tyler]: ah
647
00:16:55,932 –> 00:16:58,978
[david_macchia]: i write about an index called the
wealth to income ratio
648
00:16:59,490 –> 00:16:59,692
[paul_tyler]: yeah
649
00:17:00,330 –> 00:17:01,151
[david_macchia]: and if
650
00:17:01,128 –> 00:17:01,230
[paul_tyler]: yeah
651
00:17:01,191 –> 00:17:02,473
[david_macchia]: you look at that so this is
a
652
00:17:02,465 –> 00:17:02,689
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
653
00:17:02,713 –> 00:17:08,792
[david_macchia]: federal reserve published index that’s been out
for sixty eight years in over sixty
654
00:17:08,550 –> 00:17:08,791
[paul_tyler]: oh
655
00:17:08,555 –> 00:17:08,737
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
656
00:17:08,852 –> 00:17:09,653
[david_macchia]: eight years it has a
657
00:17:09,873 –> 00:17:10,257
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah yeah
658
00:17:10,475 –> 00:17:12,559
[david_macchia]: long term average of five hundred and
fifty per cent
659
00:17:12,635 –> 00:17:13,595
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
660
00:17:13,660 –> 00:17:18,175
[david_macchia]: and occasionally it pops up to you
know high new heights well it did so
661
00:17:18,256 –> 00:17:21,621
[david_macchia]: in two thousand just before the tech
crash it went up to i think
662
00:17:21,524 –> 00:17:21,545
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
663
00:17:21,722 –> 00:17:25,745
[david_macchia]: six hundred and fifteen and then in
september of two
664
00:17:25,740 –> 00:17:25,961
[paul_tyler]: yeah
665
00:17:25,805 –> 00:17:26,526
[david_macchia]: thousand seven
666
00:17:27,189 –> 00:17:27,330
[paul_tyler]: yeah
667
00:17:27,247 –> 00:17:27,607
[david_macchia]: it rose
668
00:17:27,545 –> 00:17:28,385
[ramsey_d_smith]: yah
669
00:17:27,687 –> 00:17:32,253
[david_macchia]: to an all time high of six
hundred seventy only to result a few months
670
00:17:32,333 –> 00:17:36,892
[david_macchia]: later in the crash of two thousand
eight right back to its long term average
671
00:17:36,695 –> 00:17:36,955
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
672
00:17:37,353 –> 00:17:41,460
[david_macchia]: right it did that after two thousand
do that after two thousand eight well what’s
673
00:17:41,500 –> 00:17:46,488
[david_macchia]: happened since you know this bull market
has brought the index up to eight hundred
674
00:17:46,528 –> 00:17:48,593
[david_macchia]: and eighteen that’s literally off the charts
675
00:17:48,960 –> 00:17:51,090
[paul_tyler]: yeah
676
00:17:49,194 –> 00:17:53,253
[david_macchia]: and what we’ve seen is some falling
back i wrote an article which is the
677
00:17:53,413 –> 00:17:55,657
[david_macchia]: advisor perspectives dot com
678
00:17:55,470 –> 00:17:55,692
[paul_tyler]: yeah
679
00:17:55,505 –> 00:17:55,767
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
680
00:17:56,598 –> 00:17:57,520
[david_macchia]: saying that prepared for
681
00:17:57,585 –> 00:17:57,705
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
682
00:17:58,021 –> 00:18:01,767
[david_macchia]: for the destruction of thirty four trillion
dollars in wealth assets
683
00:18:02,045 –> 00:18:03,035
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
684
00:18:02,729 –> 00:18:04,391
[david_macchia]: in that simple
685
00:18:04,625 –> 00:18:04,645
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
686
00:18:04,772 –> 00:18:08,939
[david_macchia]: because when the index comes back down
again to its long term average
687
00:18:08,864 –> 00:18:08,885
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
688
00:18:08,979 –> 00:18:10,221
[david_macchia]: it’s going to be totally
689
00:18:10,120 –> 00:18:10,181
[ramsey_d_smith]: ah
690
00:18:10,441 –> 00:18:15,109
[david_macchia]: destroying fifty trillion dollars so sixteen traliumhas
already been destroyed from
691
00:18:15,030 –> 00:18:15,333
[paul_tyler]: oh
692
00:18:15,149 –> 00:18:18,074
[david_macchia]: the actions we’ve had earlier this year
if we go back to the long term
693
00:18:18,114 –> 00:18:19,156
[david_macchia]: maria be a total of fifty
694
00:18:19,230 –> 00:18:20,358
[paul_tyler]: yes
695
00:18:19,236 –> 00:18:21,560
[david_macchia]: trillion dollars that’s destroyed so what
696
00:18:21,600 –> 00:18:21,900
[paul_tyler]: oh
697
00:18:21,600 –> 00:18:23,964
[david_macchia]: does that mean well i think it’s
going
698
00:18:23,975 –> 00:18:24,256
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
699
00:18:23,984 –> 00:18:26,648
[david_macchia]: to bring things more into balance you
know it’s going
700
00:18:26,585 –> 00:18:26,889
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
701
00:18:26,689 –> 00:18:29,461
[david_macchia]: to be brilliantly attractive
702
00:18:29,199 –> 00:18:29,220
[paul_tyler]: m
703
00:18:29,501 –> 00:18:30,607
[david_macchia]: for the annuity business
704
00:18:31,424 –> 00:18:31,445
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
705
00:18:31,590 –> 00:18:32,692
[david_macchia]: we’re already seeing you know
706
00:18:32,652 –> 00:18:33,038
[paul_tyler]: of course
707
00:18:32,932 –> 00:18:37,720
[david_macchia]: assets move into annuities the mica business
is very very robust as you know the
708
00:18:37,780 –> 00:18:38,702
[david_macchia]: indexanuity business
709
00:18:38,765 –> 00:18:39,047
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
710
00:18:38,782 –> 00:18:40,725
[david_macchia]: is very robust people
711
00:18:40,934 –> 00:18:40,955
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
712
00:18:41,146 –> 00:18:43,009
[david_macchia]: seeking safety i tell
713
00:18:42,905 –> 00:18:42,925
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
714
00:18:43,069 –> 00:18:46,620
[david_macchia]: it as there’s you know those of
you who believe in safety believe in protection
715
00:18:46,761 –> 00:18:47,704
[david_macchia]: believe and guaranteed
716
00:18:47,564 –> 00:18:47,916
[ramsey_d_smith]: m oh
717
00:18:47,784 –> 00:18:48,727
[david_macchia]: income your day has come
718
00:18:49,284 –> 00:18:49,424
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
719
00:18:49,830 –> 00:18:50,250
[david_macchia]: and i think
720
00:18:50,135 –> 00:18:51,425
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
721
00:18:50,330 –> 00:18:54,895
[david_macchia]: it’s it’s likely to remain this way
for for some time so the outlook for
722
00:18:54,935 –> 00:18:56,796
[david_macchia]: annuity sales i think you know
723
00:18:56,818 –> 00:18:56,899
[ramsey_d_smith]: ah
724
00:18:56,996 –> 00:18:59,379
[david_macchia]: given everything that’s happening is it is
very very positive
725
00:19:00,611 –> 00:19:01,292
[paul_tyler]: yeah it’s
726
00:19:01,295 –> 00:19:01,925
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
727
00:19:02,213 –> 00:19:02,814
[paul_tyler]: it’s interesting now
728
00:19:02,760 –> 00:19:02,780
[david_macchia]: m
729
00:19:03,035 –> 00:19:05,018
[paul_tyler]: as of the recording dat
730
00:19:04,860 –> 00:19:05,081
[david_macchia]: oh
731
00:19:05,459 –> 00:19:07,402
[paul_tyler]: okay we just know the c p
i came
732
00:19:07,325 –> 00:19:07,345
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
733
00:19:07,482 –> 00:19:08,363
[paul_tyler]: out lations higher
734
00:19:09,875 –> 00:19:10,176
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
735
00:19:09,946 –> 00:19:14,814
[paul_tyler]: market went down rates short term rites
i guess even in your treasury
736
00:19:15,270 –> 00:19:15,513
[david_macchia]: oh
737
00:19:15,576 –> 00:19:19,863
[paul_tyler]: went higher but it’s still an inverted
yield curve and ramsey
738
00:19:19,680 –> 00:19:19,700
[david_macchia]: m
739
00:19:19,883 –> 00:19:25,598
[paul_tyler]: whatever we saw happened with mica i
mean it if i’m not sure or you
740
00:19:25,618 –> 00:19:26,443
[paul_tyler]: think this is going
741
00:19:26,700 –> 00:19:26,720
[david_macchia]: m
742
00:19:27,663 –> 00:19:29,145
[ramsey_d_smith]: in terms of in terms of rates
743
00:19:29,391 –> 00:19:30,092
[paul_tyler]: rats yeah
744
00:19:30,367 –> 00:19:31,209
[ramsey_d_smith]: i mean rates have gone
745
00:19:31,221 –> 00:19:31,241
[david_macchia]: a
746
00:19:31,269 –> 00:19:33,933
[ramsey_d_smith]: up a lot so they’re definitely much
more attractive
747
00:19:33,690 –> 00:19:34,053
[david_macchia]: yes
748
00:19:34,013 –> 00:19:39,262
[ramsey_d_smith]: and they’re getting much deserved visibility on
the back of that you know
749
00:19:39,270 –> 00:19:39,472
[paul_tyler]: oh
750
00:19:41,145 –> 00:19:41,386
[ramsey_d_smith]: i look
751
00:19:41,290 –> 00:19:41,452
[paul_tyler]: look
752
00:19:41,426 –> 00:19:44,771
[ramsey_d_smith]: at it i still wonder if if
the investments that back
753
00:19:44,610 –> 00:19:45,154
[david_macchia]: oh
754
00:19:44,831 –> 00:19:46,655
[ramsey_d_smith]: them you know how they match up
with it
755
00:19:46,740 –> 00:19:47,245
[david_macchia]: oh
756
00:19:46,895 –> 00:19:50,301
[ramsey_d_smith]: so sing you know in the high
end sometimes but for sure
757
00:19:50,340 –> 00:19:51,810
[paul_tyler]: yeah
758
00:19:51,262 –> 00:19:55,449
[ramsey_d_smith]: for sure rates are higher they should
be higher and and more and
759
00:19:55,380 –> 00:19:55,641
[david_macchia]: oh
760
00:19:55,489 –> 00:19:55,870
[ramsey_d_smith]: more people
761
00:19:55,710 –> 00:19:56,310
[paul_tyler]: yeah
762
00:19:55,910 –> 00:19:58,094
[ramsey_d_smith]: should be looking at them as a
really attractive
763
00:19:57,810 –> 00:19:57,830
[david_macchia]: m
764
00:19:58,154 –> 00:19:58,614
[ramsey_d_smith]: alternative
765
00:19:58,770 –> 00:19:58,990
[paul_tyler]: yeah
766
00:19:58,775 –> 00:20:00,761
[ramsey_d_smith]: c d is which is really the
best way to think about
767
00:20:00,677 –> 00:20:00,918
[paul_tyler]: pop
768
00:20:00,801 –> 00:20:01,343
[ramsey_d_smith]: them in my view
769
00:20:01,811 –> 00:20:01,971
[paul_tyler]: yes
770
00:20:02,381 –> 00:20:04,348
[david_macchia]: i agree with that in bonds to
some extent
771
00:20:04,345 –> 00:20:05,167
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah and bonton
772
00:20:05,301 –> 00:20:06,052
[david_macchia]: yep yep
773
00:20:06,584 –> 00:20:08,547
[paul_tyler]: right we’ll just say from from a
care perspective
774
00:20:08,640 –> 00:20:08,881
[david_macchia]: oh
775
00:20:08,708 –> 00:20:08,848
[paul_tyler]: like
776
00:20:08,945 –> 00:20:09,186
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
777
00:20:09,269 –> 00:20:11,813
[paul_tyler]: we target these migrates okay we’re not
on to be the best
778
00:20:11,945 –> 00:20:12,248
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
779
00:20:11,993 –> 00:20:13,976
[paul_tyler]: one we’re gonna try to go to
number
780
00:20:14,015 –> 00:20:14,975
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
781
00:20:14,097 –> 00:20:18,487
[paul_tyler]: two we’ve done that certain months and
you know by the time
782
00:20:18,224 –> 00:20:18,245
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
783
00:20:18,390 –> 00:20:18,410
[david_macchia]: m
784
00:20:19,730 –> 00:20:21,573
[paul_tyler]: you know it takes time once you
decide
785
00:20:21,558 –> 00:20:21,640
[ramsey_d_smith]: ah
786
00:20:21,894 –> 00:20:26,661
[paul_tyler]: set their rates and go and change
the systems put it out you’re talking about
787
00:20:26,722 –> 00:20:30,067
[paul_tyler]: a seven eight day lag but the
time we get there okay we’re now number
788
00:20:30,167 –> 00:20:31,269
[paul_tyler]: four number five number
789
00:20:31,320 –> 00:20:31,340
[david_macchia]: m
790
00:20:31,349 –> 00:20:31,449
[paul_tyler]: six
791
00:20:31,655 –> 00:20:31,675
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
792
00:20:32,631 –> 00:20:33,693
[paul_tyler]: it’s been a real it’s
793
00:20:33,699 –> 00:20:33,720
[david_macchia]: m
794
00:20:33,733 –> 00:20:37,459
[paul_tyler]: an arms race on the migetfront which
has been good for
795
00:20:37,634 –> 00:20:37,655
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
796
00:20:37,720 –> 00:20:40,665
[paul_tyler]: i think good for consumer as good
probably not great
797
00:20:40,550 –> 00:20:40,773
[david_macchia]: yes
798
00:20:40,964 –> 00:20:40,985
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
799
00:20:41,727 –> 00:20:42,147
[paul_tyler]: would be great
800
00:20:42,180 –> 00:20:42,423
[david_macchia]: oh
801
00:20:42,187 –> 00:20:43,470
[paul_tyler]: if we didn’t have inflation david
802
00:20:43,535 –> 00:20:43,555
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
803
00:20:43,952 –> 00:20:44,475
[paul_tyler]: all right
804
00:20:45,905 –> 00:20:46,186
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
805
00:20:46,112 –> 00:20:47,695
[david_macchia]: well the real returns are still negative
806
00:20:47,900 –> 00:20:48,041
[paul_tyler]: yeah
807
00:20:47,945 –> 00:20:47,965
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
808
00:20:48,476 –> 00:20:51,001
[david_macchia]: you know because the inflation is so
high and you know
809
00:20:51,605 –> 00:20:51,810
[ramsey_d_smith]: ye
810
00:20:52,223 –> 00:20:53,545
[david_macchia]: the other side of inflation is
811
00:20:53,477 –> 00:20:53,498
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
812
00:20:53,605 –> 00:20:55,388
[david_macchia]: that the way we think about
813
00:20:55,325 –> 00:20:55,566
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
814
00:20:55,468 –> 00:20:58,331
[david_macchia]: inflation today it’s not the way we
thought about it say in the eighties or
815
00:20:58,385 –> 00:20:58,985
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
816
00:20:58,411 –> 00:20:59,993
[david_macchia]: nineties because if you
817
00:21:00,030 –> 00:21:00,213
[paul_tyler]: yeah
818
00:21:00,073 –> 00:21:01,875
[david_macchia]: go back and you use that methodology
819
00:21:01,350 –> 00:21:02,648
[paul_tyler]: yeah
820
00:21:01,935 –> 00:21:03,476
[david_macchia]: of how inflation was calculated
821
00:21:02,880 –> 00:21:03,870
[paul_tyler]: yeah
822
00:21:03,576 –> 00:21:03,776
[david_macchia]: then
823
00:21:04,235 –> 00:21:04,476
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
824
00:21:04,577 –> 00:21:08,382
[david_macchia]: the inflation rate today is really seventeen
per cent you can see this at the
825
00:21:08,422 –> 00:21:12,068
[david_macchia]: website called shadow government statistics dot com
what really under
826
00:21:12,150 –> 00:21:12,414
[paul_tyler]: oh
827
00:21:12,368 –> 00:21:15,894
[david_macchia]: under playing how deep inflation is becoming
and if you if you walked into a
828
00:21:15,934 –> 00:21:16,515
[david_macchia]: super market
829
00:21:16,551 –> 00:21:16,652
[paul_tyler]: oh
830
00:21:16,575 –> 00:21:19,099
[david_macchia]: you know lately you know that’s true
the price
831
00:21:18,995 –> 00:21:19,297
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
832
00:21:19,280 –> 00:21:21,574
[david_macchia]: and certain things are just you know
sky rocketed
833
00:21:21,660 –> 00:21:21,801
[paul_tyler]: yeah
834
00:21:21,765 –> 00:21:25,653
[ramsey_d_smith]: remember what some of the key differences
are or what were were there any there
835
00:21:25,693 –> 00:21:29,482
[ramsey_d_smith]: one or two things that oft stood
out to explain that that big difference in
836
00:21:29,542 –> 00:21:29,943
[ramsey_d_smith]: measurement
837
00:21:30,984 –> 00:21:31,164
[david_macchia]: yeah
838
00:21:31,680 –> 00:21:31,921
[paul_tyler]: yah
839
00:21:31,926 –> 00:21:33,088
[david_macchia]: i don’t know specifically remember
840
00:21:32,876 –> 00:21:33,017
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
841
00:21:33,168 –> 00:21:33,528
[david_macchia]: except to
842
00:21:33,589 –> 00:21:33,669
[paul_tyler]: ah
843
00:21:33,609 –> 00:21:36,033
[david_macchia]: say that in the calculation of the
c p i
844
00:21:36,350 –> 00:21:37,205
[ramsey_d_smith]: hm
845
00:21:36,814 –> 00:21:37,535
[david_macchia]: the waiting of
846
00:21:37,595 –> 00:21:37,876
[ramsey_d_smith]: yah
847
00:21:37,595 –> 00:21:39,118
[david_macchia]: certain factors and the inclusion of
848
00:21:39,083 –> 00:21:39,264
[ramsey_d_smith]: yah
849
00:21:39,198 –> 00:21:39,418
[david_macchia]: certain
850
00:21:39,435 –> 00:21:39,577
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
851
00:21:39,478 –> 00:21:40,059
[david_macchia]: factors or
852
00:21:40,505 –> 00:21:40,625
[ramsey_d_smith]: ye
853
00:21:40,861 –> 00:21:41,862
[david_macchia]: is where the difference is
854
00:21:41,996 –> 00:21:42,318
[ramsey_d_smith]: got it
855
00:21:42,570 –> 00:21:42,731
[paul_tyler]: yeah
856
00:21:42,924 –> 00:21:44,747
[david_macchia]: and i think i think there was
a there was an
857
00:21:44,744 –> 00:21:45,785
[ramsey_d_smith]: m oh
858
00:21:44,887 –> 00:21:47,792
[david_macchia]: urgency change this because when social
859
00:21:47,534 –> 00:21:47,555
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
860
00:21:47,852 –> 00:21:49,194
[david_macchia]: security became inflation
861
00:21:49,235 –> 00:21:49,498
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
862
00:21:49,255 –> 00:21:51,919
[david_macchia]: adjusted imagine if we were inflation
863
00:21:51,897 –> 00:21:51,958
[ramsey_d_smith]: ah
864
00:21:51,979 –> 00:21:53,021
[david_macchia]: adjust social security
865
00:21:52,925 –> 00:21:52,945
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
866
00:21:53,061 –> 00:21:53,522
[david_macchia]: at seventeen
867
00:21:53,370 –> 00:21:53,677
[paul_tyler]: oh
868
00:21:53,602 –> 00:21:56,087
[david_macchia]: per cent you know that would that
would have some
869
00:21:56,220 –> 00:21:56,381
[paul_tyler]: yeah
870
00:21:56,495 –> 00:21:56,817
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
871
00:21:56,828 –> 00:21:58,571
[david_macchia]: significant ramifications in terms
872
00:21:58,355 –> 00:21:58,595
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
873
00:21:58,651 –> 00:22:00,455
[david_macchia]: of nations finances
874
00:22:00,600 –> 00:22:05,529
[paul_tyler]: right it’s you know inflation like inflation
is bad period i think the good news
875
00:22:05,569 –> 00:22:06,490
[paul_tyler]: is with our products and
876
00:22:06,515 –> 00:22:06,716
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
877
00:22:06,530 –> 00:22:08,614
[paul_tyler]: what we’re delivering for for consumers is
878
00:22:08,555 –> 00:22:08,777
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
879
00:22:08,714 –> 00:22:10,256
[paul_tyler]: it’s a good defensive play
880
00:22:10,119 –> 00:22:10,140
[david_macchia]: m
881
00:22:10,857 –> 00:22:12,460
[paul_tyler]: probably one of the best defensive play
if you’re
882
00:22:12,395 –> 00:22:13,325
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
883
00:22:12,500 –> 00:22:14,744
[paul_tyler]: on fixed income today so you know
my rates
884
00:22:14,537 –> 00:22:14,679
[ramsey_d_smith]: ah
885
00:22:15,285 –> 00:22:15,526
[paul_tyler]: the god
886
00:22:15,545 –> 00:22:15,565
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
887
00:22:15,987 –> 00:22:17,489
[paul_tyler]: like looks like word for another
888
00:22:17,285 –> 00:22:18,035
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
889
00:22:18,090 –> 00:22:20,375
[paul_tyler]: you know rise and rates here i
think
890
00:22:21,030 –> 00:22:21,050
[david_macchia]: m
891
00:22:21,136 –> 00:22:25,805
[paul_tyler]: you know david you know guaranteed income
will go up right because
892
00:22:26,615 –> 00:22:26,635
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
893
00:22:26,890 –> 00:22:28,873
[paul_tyler]: rates are going up cares can afford
to
894
00:22:29,075 –> 00:22:29,396
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
895
00:22:29,795 –> 00:22:31,918
[paul_tyler]: you know raise caps or participation rates
896
00:22:32,975 –> 00:22:33,358
[ramsey_d_smith]: ye
897
00:22:33,160 –> 00:22:33,601
[paul_tyler]: so i think
898
00:22:33,870 –> 00:22:33,890
[david_macchia]: m
899
00:22:34,042 –> 00:22:35,424
[paul_tyler]: from advisor perspective
900
00:22:35,204 –> 00:22:35,225
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
901
00:22:35,544 –> 00:22:40,054
[paul_tyler]: they’ll be able to deliver more value
on paper you know to clients up for
902
00:22:40,074 –> 00:22:40,155
[paul_tyler]: the
903
00:22:40,160 –> 00:22:40,300
[david_macchia]: think
904
00:22:40,175 –> 00:22:40,315
[paul_tyler]: next
905
00:22:40,380 –> 00:22:40,420
[david_macchia]: i
906
00:22:40,436 –> 00:22:40,596
[paul_tyler]: three
907
00:22:40,460 –> 00:22:40,621
[david_macchia]: think
908
00:22:40,636 –> 00:22:40,837
[paul_tyler]: months
909
00:22:40,661 –> 00:22:44,768
[david_macchia]: that’s true i think that’s true and
just just before we leave inflation
910
00:22:45,224 –> 00:22:45,595
[ramsey_d_smith]: m m
911
00:22:45,849 –> 00:22:45,970
[david_macchia]: is
912
00:22:46,410 –> 00:22:46,670
[paul_tyler]: oh
913
00:22:46,911 –> 00:22:48,374
[david_macchia]: i think the point should be made
it’s
914
00:22:48,275 –> 00:22:48,516
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
915
00:22:48,414 –> 00:22:51,659
[david_macchia]: a very cruel reality because
916
00:22:51,960 –> 00:22:52,121
[paul_tyler]: it
917
00:22:52,220 –> 00:22:53,081
[david_macchia]: it hurts people
918
00:22:52,955 –> 00:22:53,403
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
919
00:22:53,162 –> 00:22:57,949
[david_macchia]: on fixed incomes it hurts people with
low incomes so much higher so much harder
920
00:22:58,010 –> 00:23:02,076
[david_macchia]: than than it hurts other people just
the gas tank you know and food just
921
00:23:02,156 –> 00:23:05,142
[david_macchia]: just gas and food i rocketed so
much
922
00:23:05,135 –> 00:23:05,475
[ramsey_d_smith]: my
923
00:23:07,566 –> 00:23:09,970
[david_macchia]: i don’t know if what the fat
is doing is the right policy of the
924
00:23:10,010 –> 00:23:11,553
[david_macchia]: wrong policy honestly i wish i knew
925
00:23:11,705 –> 00:23:11,987
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
926
00:23:12,395 –> 00:23:13,937
[david_macchia]: but we have to get inflation
927
00:23:13,829 –> 00:23:14,010
[paul_tyler]: yeah
928
00:23:13,904 –> 00:23:13,925
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
929
00:23:13,998 –> 00:23:14,498
[david_macchia]: of the control
930
00:23:14,790 –> 00:23:14,890
[paul_tyler]: oh
931
00:23:15,310 –> 00:23:17,355
[david_macchia]: because it’s like it’s like a huge
extra tax
932
00:23:17,700 –> 00:23:18,630
[paul_tyler]: yeah
933
00:23:18,077 –> 00:23:22,488
[david_macchia]: on people that’s that’s just totally destructive
to their personal financial health
934
00:23:23,111 –> 00:23:23,512
[paul_tyler]: yeah now
935
00:23:23,495 –> 00:23:23,978
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
936
00:23:24,553 –> 00:23:25,395
[paul_tyler]: my perspective
937
00:23:25,525 –> 00:23:25,666
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
938
00:23:25,655 –> 00:23:25,875
[paul_tyler]: is
939
00:23:26,910 –> 00:23:27,990
[david_macchia]: yeah
940
00:23:26,917 –> 00:23:27,498
[paul_tyler]: it’s global
941
00:23:27,305 –> 00:23:28,385
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
942
00:23:27,658 –> 00:23:28,680
[paul_tyler]: i mean a lot of people you
943
00:23:28,625 –> 00:23:28,928
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
944
00:23:28,860 –> 00:23:34,730
[paul_tyler]: want to blame our administration you listen
politicians have some impact you know can make
945
00:23:34,790 –> 00:23:41,622
[paul_tyler]: it worse make you now hard to
say than like better but our ports i
946
00:23:41,682 –> 00:23:41,882
[paul_tyler]: mean
947
00:23:42,305 –> 00:23:42,565
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
948
00:23:42,744 –> 00:23:44,547
[paul_tyler]: this the supply chain problem is
949
00:23:44,854 –> 00:23:44,954
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
950
00:23:45,188 –> 00:23:46,189
[paul_tyler]: going to go away right
951
00:23:46,085 –> 00:23:46,326
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
952
00:23:46,790 –> 00:23:49,695
[paul_tyler]: if you look at the us if
you look at the efficiency of the us
953
00:23:49,815 –> 00:23:50,256
[paul_tyler]: ports
954
00:23:50,615 –> 00:23:50,736
[ramsey_d_smith]: ye
955
00:23:51,258 –> 00:23:55,505
[paul_tyler]: um we’re not like you know we
were not in sort of
956
00:23:55,484 –> 00:23:55,505
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
957
00:23:55,545 –> 00:23:59,572
[paul_tyler]: the top twenty to twenty five most
efficient and
958
00:23:59,915 –> 00:23:59,935
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
959
00:24:00,012 –> 00:24:05,031
[paul_tyler]: imports of goods coming in so we
got a real bottle neck that going to
960
00:24:05,091 –> 00:24:08,521
[paul_tyler]: take a long time to change if
we can easily change it right because
961
00:24:08,495 –> 00:24:08,835
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
962
00:24:09,043 –> 00:24:15,914
[paul_tyler]: ships come into california southern california you
can’t build rails and highways through expensive real
963
00:24:15,954 –> 00:24:17,416
[paul_tyler]: estate her california
964
00:24:17,615 –> 00:24:17,836
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
965
00:24:17,796 –> 00:24:18,717
[paul_tyler]: to get goods out quicker
966
00:24:20,080 –> 00:24:20,561
[david_macchia]: that’s true
967
00:24:20,705 –> 00:24:20,725
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
968
00:24:20,982 –> 00:24:24,910
[david_macchia]: and i think one area though the
gummy can make a difference for good or
969
00:24:24,970 –> 00:24:28,638
[david_macchia]: bad is that i think we’ve had
a lot of increased regulation lately
970
00:24:28,835 –> 00:24:29,177
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
971
00:24:29,470 –> 00:24:34,780
[david_macchia]: which has had a detrimental impact on
the supply chain but you’re right it’s a
972
00:24:34,840 –> 00:24:36,523
[david_macchia]: really complex set of problems
973
00:24:36,261 –> 00:24:36,642
[paul_tyler]: well you know
974
00:24:36,766 –> 00:24:36,926
[ramsey_d_smith]: well
975
00:24:36,964 –> 00:24:37,425
[david_macchia]: it’s really
976
00:24:37,464 –> 00:24:37,605
[paul_tyler]: yeah
977
00:24:37,525 –> 00:24:37,846
[david_macchia]: come
978
00:24:37,925 –> 00:24:38,186
[paul_tyler]: brands
979
00:24:38,609 –> 00:24:40,392
[ramsey_d_smith]: i was i was just going to
say that i’m gonna i’m gonna
980
00:24:40,380 –> 00:24:40,662
[paul_tyler]: yeah
981
00:24:40,452 –> 00:24:43,257
[ramsey_d_smith]: hark back to something that i
982
00:24:43,260 –> 00:24:43,543
[paul_tyler]: oh
983
00:24:43,297 –> 00:24:43,717
[ramsey_d_smith]: don’t know if you
984
00:24:43,950 –> 00:24:44,254
[david_macchia]: oh
985
00:24:44,038 –> 00:24:45,941
[ramsey_d_smith]: if you said it in the in
the pre show or
986
00:24:46,290 –> 00:24:46,512
[david_macchia]: oh
987
00:24:46,562 –> 00:24:50,168
[ramsey_d_smith]: we were talking about travel and you
talk the fragility the fragility of
988
00:24:50,550 –> 00:24:50,570
[david_macchia]: m
989
00:24:50,849 –> 00:24:52,873
[ramsey_d_smith]: the air transport system and so we’re
990
00:24:52,840 –> 00:24:53,004
[david_macchia]: yep
991
00:24:52,953 –> 00:24:53,333
[ramsey_d_smith]: seeing that
992
00:24:53,250 –> 00:24:53,410
[paul_tyler]: yeah
993
00:24:53,394 –> 00:24:57,661
[ramsey_d_smith]: same kind of fragility and a supply
chain that was sending things just in time
994
00:24:57,721 –> 00:24:59,924
[ramsey_d_smith]: from somewhere in the far east you
know
995
00:25:00,020 –> 00:25:00,221
[david_macchia]: right
996
00:25:00,085 –> 00:25:00,465
[ramsey_d_smith]: your kitchen
997
00:25:00,409 –> 00:25:00,510
[paul_tyler]: yeah
998
00:25:00,566 –> 00:25:02,729
[ramsey_d_smith]: table in a in a remarkably
999
00:25:02,730 –> 00:25:02,750
[david_macchia]: m
1000
00:25:02,769 –> 00:25:03,390
[ramsey_d_smith]: efficient way
1001
00:25:03,900 –> 00:25:05,460
[paul_tyler]: yeah
1002
00:25:04,592 –> 00:25:08,078
[ramsey_d_smith]: my sense paul to your point is
that ultimately the
1003
00:25:08,070 –> 00:25:08,330
[paul_tyler]: oh
1004
00:25:08,138 –> 00:25:08,799
[ramsey_d_smith]: solution to
1005
00:25:08,700 –> 00:25:09,480
[david_macchia]: oh
1006
00:25:09,961 –> 00:25:12,225
[ramsey_d_smith]: supply chain problems that are that are
glow bill
1007
00:25:12,185 –> 00:25:12,226
[paul_tyler]: a
1008
00:25:12,445 –> 00:25:13,407
[ramsey_d_smith]: is to deglobalize
1009
00:25:13,312 –> 00:25:13,800
[paul_tyler]: right
1010
00:25:13,447 –> 00:25:15,010
[ramsey_d_smith]: them so it seems like both
1011
00:25:15,090 –> 00:25:15,350
[paul_tyler]: oh
1012
00:25:15,090 –> 00:25:18,556
[ramsey_d_smith]: politically and economically you know we’re probably
headed towards some degree
1013
00:25:18,579 –> 00:25:18,739
[paul_tyler]: yeah
1014
00:25:18,616 –> 00:25:19,958
[ramsey_d_smith]: of deglobalization
1015
00:25:19,680 –> 00:25:19,700
[david_macchia]: m
1016
00:25:19,774 –> 00:25:19,856
[paul_tyler]: ah
1017
00:25:20,138 –> 00:25:23,263
[ramsey_d_smith]: that’s going to take time that will
actually also be inflation ary here in the
1018
00:25:23,343 –> 00:25:24,785
[ramsey_d_smith]: u s probably
1019
00:25:25,010 –> 00:25:25,491
[david_macchia]: absolutely
1020
00:25:25,466 –> 00:25:26,107
[ramsey_d_smith]: going forward
1021
00:25:26,112 –> 00:25:26,193
[paul_tyler]: ah
1022
00:25:26,507 –> 00:25:30,171
[ramsey_d_smith]: but it’s hard to see it’s hard
to see given national security and all sorts
1023
00:25:30,191 –> 00:25:33,574
[ramsey_d_smith]: of other reasons why why wouldn’t why
we wouldn’t head in that direction
1024
00:25:33,710 –> 00:25:34,312
[paul_tyler]: well you know there’s
1025
00:25:34,200 –> 00:25:35,130
[david_macchia]: oh
1026
00:25:34,673 –> 00:25:36,278
[paul_tyler]: a there’s a big time element too
so
1027
00:25:36,425 –> 00:25:36,445
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
1028
00:25:36,739 –> 00:25:37,201
[paul_tyler]: you i’ve seen a
1029
00:25:37,235 –> 00:25:37,895
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
1030
00:25:37,261 –> 00:25:43,635
[paul_tyler]: lot of ship manufactures announced launching saying
chip plants
1031
00:25:43,715 –> 00:25:43,956
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
1032
00:25:43,876 –> 00:25:48,684
[paul_tyler]: outside china v i think i read
a few areas people go into different parts
1033
00:25:48,724 –> 00:25:50,647
[paul_tyler]: of south east age but david that
takes
1034
00:25:50,744 –> 00:25:50,765
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
1035
00:25:51,028 –> 00:25:51,969
[paul_tyler]: two years to get a
1036
00:25:51,965 –> 00:25:52,226
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
1037
00:25:52,029 –> 00:25:52,653
[paul_tyler]: play up and
1038
00:25:52,681 –> 00:25:52,761
[david_macchia]: oh
1039
00:25:52,693 –> 00:25:52,955
[paul_tyler]: running
1040
00:25:52,821 –> 00:25:53,883
[david_macchia]: yeah and and
1041
00:25:54,035 –> 00:25:54,685
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
1042
00:25:54,063 –> 00:25:58,971
[david_macchia]: and also in the u s building
more chip manufacturing here but you’re right ramsey
1043
00:25:59,072 –> 00:26:00,434
[david_macchia]: i think people underestimate
1044
00:26:00,300 –> 00:26:00,929
[paul_tyler]: ye
1045
00:26:00,514 –> 00:26:03,840
[david_macchia]: how massively deflationary globalization was
1046
00:26:04,140 –> 00:26:05,190
[paul_tyler]: oh
1047
00:26:05,482 –> 00:26:08,006
[david_macchia]: and any incremental change in that
1048
00:26:08,790 –> 00:26:09,010
[paul_tyler]: yeah
1049
00:26:09,048 –> 00:26:10,190
[david_macchia]: any bringing back the
1050
00:26:10,124 –> 00:26:10,145
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
1051
00:26:10,290 –> 00:26:11,693
[david_macchia]: manufacturing to our
1052
00:26:11,765 –> 00:26:11,785
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
1053
00:26:11,793 –> 00:26:13,435
[david_macchia]: shores is probably
1054
00:26:13,169 –> 00:26:13,350
[paul_tyler]: yeah
1055
00:26:13,516 –> 00:26:15,259
[david_macchia]: good for our national security
1056
00:26:15,014 –> 00:26:15,035
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
1057
00:26:15,319 –> 00:26:16,160
[david_macchia]: but will
1058
00:26:16,085 –> 00:26:16,226
[ramsey_d_smith]: ye
1059
00:26:16,221 –> 00:26:17,244
[david_macchia]: be you know
1060
00:26:17,225 –> 00:26:18,155
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
1061
00:26:17,745 –> 00:26:19,530
[david_macchia]: sort of boosting inflation
1062
00:26:19,214 –> 00:26:20,225
[ramsey_d_smith]: m yeah
1063
00:26:19,691 –> 00:26:21,195
[david_macchia]: boosting price increases generally
1064
00:26:21,110 –> 00:26:21,250
[paul_tyler]: well
1065
00:26:21,164 –> 00:26:21,185
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
1066
00:26:21,330 –> 00:26:21,490
[paul_tyler]: yeah
1067
00:26:21,416 –> 00:26:21,476
[david_macchia]: it
1068
00:26:21,446 –> 00:26:21,587
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
1069
00:26:21,536 –> 00:26:21,877
[david_macchia]: has to
1070
00:26:22,151 –> 00:26:22,472
[paul_tyler]: well yeah
1071
00:26:22,595 –> 00:26:22,935
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
1072
00:26:22,833 –> 00:26:27,721
[paul_tyler]: i would say i’d be more pointed
david it’s china was as much as we
1073
00:26:27,881 –> 00:26:28,081
[paul_tyler]: were
1074
00:26:28,080 –> 00:26:28,800
[david_macchia]: yeah
1075
00:26:28,722 –> 00:26:29,023
[paul_tyler]: concerned
1076
00:26:28,860 –> 00:26:29,002
[david_macchia]: yeah
1077
00:26:29,063 –> 00:26:35,233
[paul_tyler]: about losing jobs to china you know
china at a massive flationary effect on our
1078
00:26:35,674 –> 00:26:36,535
[paul_tyler]: economy right
1079
00:26:36,590 –> 00:26:37,496
[david_macchia]: eh
1080
00:26:37,196 –> 00:26:38,138
[paul_tyler]: cut the price of tables
1081
00:26:38,165 –> 00:26:38,365
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
1082
00:26:38,198 –> 00:26:42,125
[paul_tyler]: chairs you know everything stayed at a
reasonable price in china all of a sudden
1083
00:26:42,205 –> 00:26:42,866
[paul_tyler]: slows down
1084
00:26:43,385 –> 00:26:43,625
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
1085
00:26:43,607 –> 00:26:46,472
[paul_tyler]: they’ve got real estate problems they’ve had
they’ve been shut
1086
00:26:46,380 –> 00:26:46,602
[david_macchia]: oh
1087
00:26:46,512 –> 00:26:47,633
[paul_tyler]: down even more than we have
1088
00:26:47,814 –> 00:26:48,034
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
1089
00:26:48,054 –> 00:26:48,254
[paul_tyler]: for
1090
00:26:48,317 –> 00:26:48,540
[david_macchia]: yeah
1091
00:26:48,615 –> 00:26:49,516
[paul_tyler]: you know the pandemic
1092
00:26:50,555 –> 00:26:50,859
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
1093
00:26:50,658 –> 00:26:55,365
[paul_tyler]: um and there’s a limit to how
you know they can’t cut prices anymore so
1094
00:26:55,274 –> 00:26:55,295
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
1095
00:26:55,425 –> 00:26:59,112
[paul_tyler]: tally where it feels like we’re in
a storm that’s going to last
1096
00:26:59,096 –> 00:26:59,218
[ramsey_d_smith]: ah
1097
00:26:59,672 –> 00:27:00,534
[paul_tyler]: unfortunately for a few
1098
00:27:00,425 –> 00:27:00,666
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
1099
00:27:00,614 –> 00:27:00,874
[paul_tyler]: years
1100
00:27:03,441 –> 00:27:04,022
[david_macchia]: i think you’re right
1101
00:27:03,900 –> 00:27:04,161
[paul_tyler]: yeah
1102
00:27:04,445 –> 00:27:04,767
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
1103
00:27:04,603 –> 00:27:05,825
[david_macchia]: you know i wish i had an
answer
1104
00:27:05,889 –> 00:27:06,069
[paul_tyler]: yeah
1105
00:27:05,905 –> 00:27:07,047
[david_macchia]: to it but there’s no
1106
00:27:06,973 –> 00:27:07,096
[paul_tyler]: oh
1107
00:27:07,207 –> 00:27:07,688
[david_macchia]: easy answer
1108
00:27:07,565 –> 00:27:08,248
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
1109
00:27:07,748 –> 00:27:09,050
[david_macchia]: to it and how are
1110
00:27:09,000 –> 00:27:09,750
[paul_tyler]: oh
1111
00:27:09,070 –> 00:27:10,172
[david_macchia]: we going to generate economic
1112
00:27:09,941 –> 00:27:10,189
[paul_tyler]: okay
1113
00:27:09,995 –> 00:27:10,256
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
1114
00:27:10,232 –> 00:27:12,676
[david_macchia]: growth is another thing i mean you
know the fed
1115
00:27:12,750 –> 00:27:12,933
[paul_tyler]: yeah
1116
00:27:12,776 –> 00:27:13,858
[david_macchia]: can’t keep printing money
1117
00:27:14,071 –> 00:27:14,273
[paul_tyler]: right
1118
00:27:14,239 –> 00:27:14,659
[david_macchia]: there there
1119
00:27:14,525 –> 00:27:15,635
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
1120
00:27:14,940 –> 00:27:16,723
[david_macchia]: tighten the tightening they’re going the other
way
1121
00:27:17,525 –> 00:27:17,545
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
1122
00:27:17,684 –> 00:27:23,474
[david_macchia]: and you know since o eight before
o eight from from nineteen sixty eight when
1123
00:27:23,554 –> 00:27:27,501
[david_macchia]: when we got the legislation was passed
to get us off the goal standard right
1124
00:27:28,682 –> 00:27:29,484
[david_macchia]: up to two thousand
1125
00:27:29,490 –> 00:27:29,692
[paul_tyler]: yeah
1126
00:27:29,544 –> 00:27:30,766
[david_macchia]: eight economic
1127
00:27:30,660 –> 00:27:30,981
[paul_tyler]: oh
1128
00:27:30,846 –> 00:27:35,503
[david_macchia]: growth in this country was driven by
credit so we had one trillion of total
1129
00:27:35,563 –> 00:27:38,708
[david_macchia]: credit in the economy in nineteen sixty
eight by two thousand it we had ninety
1130
00:27:38,788 –> 00:27:40,992
[david_macchia]: times that we had ninety trillion that’s
1131
00:27:40,895 –> 00:27:42,125
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
1132
00:27:41,032 –> 00:27:42,214
[david_macchia]: what drove the economic
1133
00:27:42,185 –> 00:27:42,205
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
1134
00:27:42,274 –> 00:27:43,376
[david_macchia]: growth since
1135
00:27:43,544 –> 00:27:43,565
[ramsey_d_smith]: h
1136
00:27:43,556 –> 00:27:43,596
[david_macchia]: o
1137
00:27:43,560 –> 00:27:43,763
[paul_tyler]: yeah
1138
00:27:43,776 –> 00:27:44,958
[david_macchia]: eight credit growth
1139
00:27:44,820 –> 00:27:45,063
[paul_tyler]: oh
1140
00:27:45,019 –> 00:27:45,419
[david_macchia]: slowed
1141
00:27:45,524 –> 00:27:45,545
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
1142
00:27:45,840 –> 00:27:46,761
[david_macchia]: so the government stepped
1143
00:27:46,724 –> 00:27:46,745
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
1144
00:27:46,842 –> 00:27:48,464
[david_macchia]: in with massive physical stimulus
1145
00:27:48,227 –> 00:27:48,288
[ramsey_d_smith]: ah
1146
00:27:48,544 –> 00:27:50,027
[david_macchia]: and federal reserve stepped in with
1147
00:27:49,964 –> 00:27:49,985
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
1148
00:27:50,167 –> 00:27:53,332
[david_macchia]: you know this huge money printing thing
that can’t
1149
00:27:53,165 –> 00:27:53,467
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
1150
00:27:53,713 –> 00:27:56,418
[david_macchia]: keep going so i’m not sure what
happens
1151
00:27:56,405 –> 00:27:56,646
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
1152
00:27:56,498 –> 00:27:57,579
[david_macchia]: next to generate
1153
00:27:57,330 –> 00:27:58,260
[paul_tyler]: yeah
1154
00:27:57,660 –> 00:27:59,962
[david_macchia]: economic growth especially under these conditions
1155
00:27:59,675 –> 00:27:59,896
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
1156
00:28:00,763 –> 00:28:02,625
[david_macchia]: and i think we’re seeing that reality
reflected
1157
00:28:02,465 –> 00:28:03,485
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
1158
00:28:02,705 –> 00:28:04,987
[david_macchia]: an asset price is starting to you
now come back to the
1159
00:28:05,384 –> 00:28:05,405
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
1160
00:28:05,988 –> 00:28:06,729
[david_macchia]: more normal level
1161
00:28:07,396 –> 00:28:09,119
[ramsey_d_smith]: well that’s that’s the thin that’s been
interesting you know
1162
00:28:09,840 –> 00:28:10,042
[paul_tyler]: yeah
1163
00:28:10,461 –> 00:28:12,064
[ramsey_d_smith]: a lot of the push back on
on
1164
00:28:12,510 –> 00:28:12,851
[david_macchia]: oh
1165
00:28:12,885 –> 00:28:17,573
[ramsey_d_smith]: on annuities has been you know around
inflation protection and people say he put more
1166
00:28:17,613 –> 00:28:20,938
[ramsey_d_smith]: money in equities in like i spent
a whole career in equity so i understand
1167
00:28:20,999 –> 00:28:22,441
[ramsey_d_smith]: that i understand
1168
00:28:22,213 –> 00:28:22,800
[david_macchia]: hm
1169
00:28:23,220 –> 00:28:23,401
[paul_tyler]: yeah
1170
00:28:23,463 –> 00:28:27,069
[ramsey_d_smith]: the value proposition there i think i
think for many years it’s been very real
1171
00:28:28,170 –> 00:28:32,798
[ramsey_d_smith]: the challenge that we have now is
that you know pricing for companies is often
1172
00:28:32,898 –> 00:28:33,559
[ramsey_d_smith]: most prevalent
1173
00:28:33,812 –> 00:28:33,997
[paul_tyler]: yes
1174
00:28:33,980 –> 00:28:34,181
[ramsey_d_smith]: when
1175
00:28:34,479 –> 00:28:34,580
[david_macchia]: m m
1176
00:28:34,701 –> 00:28:37,847
[ramsey_d_smith]: you know when they have when when
they
1177
00:28:37,770 –> 00:28:37,790
[david_macchia]: m
1178
00:28:37,887 –> 00:28:38,768
[ramsey_d_smith]: have plenty of supply
1179
00:28:38,793 –> 00:28:38,814
[paul_tyler]: i
1180
00:28:38,908 –> 00:28:41,853
[ramsey_d_smith]: but they’ve got sort of a demand
shock that’s favorable to them
1181
00:28:41,820 –> 00:28:41,840
[david_macchia]: m
1182
00:28:42,354 –> 00:28:42,575
[ramsey_d_smith]: but now
1183
00:28:42,622 –> 00:28:42,828
[paul_tyler]: okay
1184
00:28:42,635 –> 00:28:45,860
[ramsey_d_smith]: we have this issue that things are
happening on the supply side so even if
1185
00:28:45,940 –> 00:28:48,705
[ramsey_d_smith]: prices are going up if you can’t
deliver the product
1186
00:28:48,360 –> 00:28:48,664
[paul_tyler]: oh
1187
00:28:49,105 –> 00:28:49,807
[ramsey_d_smith]: it’s not giving you
1188
00:28:49,845 –> 00:28:49,865
[david_macchia]: m
1189
00:28:49,867 –> 00:28:52,351
[ramsey_d_smith]: the excess profit you would have otherwise
given
1190
00:28:52,420 –> 00:28:53,326
[david_macchia]: right right
1191
00:28:53,312 –> 00:28:56,037
[ramsey_d_smith]: and so so it shouldn’t come as
a surprise
1192
00:28:55,893 –> 00:28:55,914
[paul_tyler]: i
1193
00:28:56,097 –> 00:29:02,327
[ramsey_d_smith]: that like equities have been you ve
been suffering in this current environment and so
1194
00:29:02,848 –> 00:29:05,192
[ramsey_d_smith]: you know what does that mean it’s
it’s one thing if you say well if
1195
00:29:05,252 –> 00:29:09,539
[ramsey_d_smith]: i get you know our per cent
four per cent on my my annuity that’s
1196
00:29:09,580 –> 00:29:11,503
[ramsey_d_smith]: not keeping up with ten per cent
inflation will being down
1197
00:29:11,550 –> 00:29:11,570
[david_macchia]: m
1198
00:29:11,683 –> 00:29:16,010
[ramsey_d_smith]: twenty per cent in your equity portfolio
isn’t helping that either you know if you’re
1199
00:29:16,050 –> 00:29:16,711
[david_macchia]: that’s right
1200
00:29:16,731 –> 00:29:19,716
[ramsey_d_smith]: if you’re if you’re in decumulations if
you’re an accumulation
1201
00:29:19,500 –> 00:29:19,740
[paul_tyler]: yah
1202
00:29:19,876 –> 00:29:21,518
[ramsey_d_smith]: you can weigh it out but if
you’re in the
1203
00:29:21,470 –> 00:29:21,632
[david_macchia]: yeah
1204
00:29:21,578 –> 00:29:22,959
[ramsey_d_smith]: accumulation phase like you don’t
1205
00:29:22,920 –> 00:29:23,141
[david_macchia]: oh
1206
00:29:23,169 –> 00:29:23,190
[paul_tyler]: h
1207
00:29:23,320 –> 00:29:25,682
[ramsey_d_smith]: you don’t have the same set of
choices so it’s
1208
00:29:25,611 –> 00:29:25,751
[david_macchia]: yeah
1209
00:29:25,742 –> 00:29:26,623
[ramsey_d_smith]: a it’s a tough problem
1210
00:29:26,335 –> 00:29:26,438
[paul_tyler]: no
1211
00:29:26,823 –> 00:29:26,984
[ramsey_d_smith]: right
1212
00:29:27,273 –> 00:29:30,078
[david_macchia]: this is really really a smart point
you bringing up because
1213
00:29:30,065 –> 00:29:30,935
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
1214
00:29:30,539 –> 00:29:32,642
[david_macchia]: i remember i got a call from
a writer i won’t mention his
1215
00:29:32,550 –> 00:29:33,215
[ramsey_d_smith]: hm
1216
00:29:32,682 –> 00:29:36,388
[david_macchia]: name he read one of my articles
and he said you know i really know
1217
00:29:36,489 –> 00:29:40,762
[david_macchia]: argued with a new he’s because they’re
not inflation adjusted and you know the truth
1218
00:29:40,842 –> 00:29:41,644
[david_macchia]: is there’s no there’s
1219
00:29:41,495 –> 00:29:42,545
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
1220
00:29:41,684 –> 00:29:42,545
[david_macchia]: no guarantee that
1221
00:29:42,635 –> 00:29:42,655
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
1222
00:29:42,645 –> 00:29:43,487
[david_macchia]: equity portfolios
1223
00:29:43,220 –> 00:29:43,321
[paul_tyler]: no
1224
00:29:43,527 –> 00:29:44,368
[david_macchia]: are going to be inflation
1225
00:29:44,186 –> 00:29:44,287
[paul_tyler]: no
1226
00:29:44,345 –> 00:29:44,648
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
1227
00:29:44,448 –> 00:29:45,169
[david_macchia]: adjusted right
1228
00:29:45,557 –> 00:29:45,618
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
1229
00:29:45,790 –> 00:29:46,612
[david_macchia]: and i would rather
1230
00:29:46,514 –> 00:29:46,535
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
1231
00:29:46,672 –> 00:29:47,413
[david_macchia]: have some level
1232
00:29:47,315 –> 00:29:49,085
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
1233
00:29:47,493 –> 00:29:47,894
[david_macchia]: of income
1234
00:29:47,782 –> 00:29:47,803
[paul_tyler]: i
1235
00:29:47,934 –> 00:29:49,617
[david_macchia]: that i can count on in retirement
1236
00:29:49,710 –> 00:29:49,892
[paul_tyler]: yeah
1237
00:29:49,977 –> 00:29:51,660
[david_macchia]: for life and if it’s
1238
00:29:51,554 –> 00:29:51,575
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
1239
00:29:51,720 –> 00:29:55,303
[david_macchia]: not inflation adjusted at least it’s tangible
at least it’s real
1240
00:29:56,114 –> 00:29:56,135
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
1241
00:29:56,764 –> 00:30:00,627
[david_macchia]: and i think you know the outlook
for in general
1242
00:30:01,355 –> 00:30:01,616
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
1243
00:30:01,948 –> 00:30:04,892
[david_macchia]: guaranteed income it’s going to be so
strong
1244
00:30:05,135 –> 00:30:06,605
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
1245
00:30:05,353 –> 00:30:05,955
[david_macchia]: going forward
1246
00:30:06,605 –> 00:30:07,265
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
1247
00:30:06,776 –> 00:30:07,598
[david_macchia]: it just has to be
1248
00:30:08,615 –> 00:30:09,545
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
1249
00:30:08,620 –> 00:30:12,046
[david_macchia]: because like i always say to advisors
you know no retirement
1250
00:30:11,986 –> 00:30:12,169
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
1251
00:30:12,086 –> 00:30:12,888
[david_macchia]: stops needing income
1252
00:30:13,440 –> 00:30:14,130
[paul_tyler]: oh
1253
00:30:13,775 –> 00:30:13,935
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
1254
00:30:14,920 –> 00:30:14,941
[paul_tyler]: a
1255
00:30:15,616 –> 00:30:16,977
[ramsey_d_smith]: i want to bring in another
1256
00:30:16,920 –> 00:30:16,940
[david_macchia]: m
1257
00:30:17,098 –> 00:30:20,260
[ramsey_d_smith]: way we can bring in full circle
to what you’re doing with what you’re
1258
00:30:20,130 –> 00:30:20,432
[paul_tyler]: oh
1259
00:30:20,321 –> 00:30:22,062
[ramsey_d_smith]: doing with projects six
1260
00:30:22,110 –> 00:30:22,293
[paul_tyler]: yeah
1261
00:30:22,142 –> 00:30:23,303
[ramsey_d_smith]: thousand minutes and
1262
00:30:23,670 –> 00:30:23,690
[david_macchia]: m
1263
00:30:23,700 –> 00:30:23,761
[paul_tyler]: ye
1264
00:30:23,704 –> 00:30:27,569
[ramsey_d_smith]: you know what potentially there’s a potential
for growth in the financial advisor space it’s
1265
00:30:27,609 –> 00:30:28,591
[ramsey_d_smith]: really i think
1266
00:30:28,481 –> 00:30:28,623
[paul_tyler]: thank
1267
00:30:28,771 –> 00:30:32,738
[ramsey_d_smith]: on the spending side right spending control
cost control and that we had
1268
00:30:32,782 –> 00:30:32,927
[paul_tyler]: yeah
1269
00:30:33,659 –> 00:30:34,060
[ramsey_d_smith]: we had
1270
00:30:34,230 –> 00:30:34,496
[paul_tyler]: oh
1271
00:30:34,861 –> 00:30:35,643
[ramsey_d_smith]: bill bangin on
1272
00:30:35,910 –> 00:30:36,110
[paul_tyler]: oh
1273
00:30:35,943 –> 00:30:38,748
[ramsey_d_smith]: right the there of woudrawl strategies
1274
00:30:39,360 –> 00:30:39,661
[david_macchia]: oh
1275
00:30:39,429 –> 00:30:42,574
[ramsey_d_smith]: he’s in his nineties he was amazing
to have him on but one of his
1276
00:30:42,634 –> 00:30:42,775
[ramsey_d_smith]: key
1277
00:30:42,642 –> 00:30:42,802
[david_macchia]: yeah
1278
00:30:42,875 –> 00:30:44,177
[ramsey_d_smith]: points is you got to fix spending
1279
00:30:44,550 –> 00:30:46,272
[paul_tyler]: uh
1280
00:30:46,721 –> 00:30:46,882
[david_macchia]: yeah
1281
00:30:47,523 –> 00:30:47,703
[ramsey_d_smith]: right
1282
00:30:47,583 –> 00:30:49,125
[david_macchia]: but but here’s here’s
1283
00:30:49,067 –> 00:30:49,249
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
1284
00:30:49,306 –> 00:30:50,227
[david_macchia]: here’s the problem here’s
1285
00:30:50,115 –> 00:30:50,276
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
1286
00:30:50,267 –> 00:30:52,050
[david_macchia]: the problem i say and i like
i like bill a lot
1287
00:30:52,055 –> 00:30:52,195
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
1288
00:30:52,170 –> 00:30:54,935
[david_macchia]: and you know i wrote an article
called there is no safe with drawl rate
1289
00:30:55,025 –> 00:30:55,186
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
1290
00:30:55,576 –> 00:30:57,800
[david_macchia]: which by the way which i believe
and
1291
00:30:57,825 –> 00:30:57,946
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
1292
00:30:57,920 –> 00:30:59,603
[david_macchia]: uh you know and he came back
to
1293
00:30:59,553 –> 00:31:00,035
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
1294
00:30:59,663 –> 00:31:01,005
[david_macchia]: me and and he said well my
1295
00:31:01,094 –> 00:31:01,115
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
1296
00:31:01,145 –> 00:31:06,795
[david_macchia]: projections say that that’s not the case
i said i understand you’re absolutely right but
1297
00:31:07,155 –> 00:31:08,177
[david_macchia]: all of the projections
1298
00:31:07,950 –> 00:31:09,330
[paul_tyler]: yeah
1299
00:31:08,498 –> 00:31:09,299
[david_macchia]: yours and everyone
1300
00:31:09,335 –> 00:31:09,557
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
1301
00:31:09,359 –> 00:31:11,827
[david_macchia]: else’s assumes that the client stays invested
1302
00:31:12,186 –> 00:31:12,980
[paul_tyler]: a oh
1303
00:31:12,825 –> 00:31:12,967
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
1304
00:31:13,020 –> 00:31:15,665
[david_macchia]: every single day in every single condition
and
1305
00:31:15,668 –> 00:31:15,709
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
1306
00:31:15,789 –> 00:31:15,810
[paul_tyler]: h
1307
00:31:15,865 –> 00:31:16,626
[david_macchia]: cast in the real world
1308
00:31:16,544 –> 00:31:16,565
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
1309
00:31:16,666 –> 00:31:17,007
[david_macchia]: they don’t
1310
00:31:16,920 –> 00:31:18,420
[paul_tyler]: okay
1311
00:31:17,868 –> 00:31:17,968
[david_macchia]: so
1312
00:31:18,067 –> 00:31:18,148
[ramsey_d_smith]: ah
1313
00:31:18,630 –> 00:31:21,194
[david_macchia]: you know the point
1314
00:31:21,213 –> 00:31:21,378
[paul_tyler]: yah
1315
00:31:21,234 –> 00:31:22,175
[david_macchia]: about withdrawals is
1316
00:31:22,085 –> 00:31:22,426
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
1317
00:31:22,256 –> 00:31:24,519
[david_macchia]: that it’s really really hard
1318
00:31:24,780 –> 00:31:27,199
[paul_tyler]: okay
1319
00:31:24,880 –> 00:31:25,761
[david_macchia]: in the practical
1320
00:31:25,236 –> 00:31:25,357
[ramsey_d_smith]: ah
1321
00:31:26,142 –> 00:31:27,785
[david_macchia]: real world that advises live in
1322
00:31:28,170 –> 00:31:28,190
[paul_tyler]: a
1323
00:31:28,266 –> 00:31:28,726
[david_macchia]: to go to a
1324
00:31:28,754 –> 00:31:28,775
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
1325
00:31:28,807 –> 00:31:32,413
[david_macchia]: client and say well you know last
year you took out forty thousand from your
1326
00:31:32,473 –> 00:31:33,014
[david_macchia]: portfolio
1327
00:31:32,550 –> 00:31:32,795
[paul_tyler]: oh
1328
00:31:33,134 –> 00:31:33,274
[david_macchia]: but
1329
00:31:33,545 –> 00:31:33,826
[ramsey_d_smith]: yah
1330
00:31:33,695 –> 00:31:36,620
[david_macchia]: really this year you need to take
out twenty one thousand three hundred m
1331
00:31:36,674 –> 00:31:37,595
[ramsey_d_smith]: m m
1332
00:31:37,950 –> 00:31:39,312
[david_macchia]: it doesn’t work at the kitchen table
1333
00:31:39,751 –> 00:31:39,832
[paul_tyler]: no
1334
00:31:40,102 –> 00:31:40,264
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
1335
00:31:40,314 –> 00:31:41,857
[david_macchia]: it just doesn’t it just doesn’t work
1336
00:31:42,185 –> 00:31:42,533
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
1337
00:31:42,778 –> 00:31:48,207
[david_macchia]: and so you know a fixed stream
of income coming from an annuity that a
1338
00:31:48,468 –> 00:31:48,868
[david_macchia]: client can
1339
00:31:48,845 –> 00:31:49,127
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
1340
00:31:48,930 –> 00:31:49,293
[paul_tyler]: oh
1341
00:31:48,969 –> 00:31:50,071
[david_macchia]: count on year
1342
00:31:49,950 –> 00:31:50,191
[paul_tyler]: oh
1343
00:31:50,251 –> 00:31:51,173
[david_macchia]: after year after year
1344
00:31:51,455 –> 00:31:51,775
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
1345
00:31:52,315 –> 00:31:54,318
[david_macchia]: that that’s hard to argue against
1346
00:31:55,151 –> 00:31:55,291
[paul_tyler]: oh
1347
00:31:55,490 –> 00:31:55,895
[david_macchia]: it’s hard
1348
00:31:55,832 –> 00:31:56,012
[paul_tyler]: well
1349
00:31:55,955 –> 00:31:56,703
[david_macchia]: to argue against
1350
00:31:56,713 –> 00:31:59,178
[paul_tyler]: i think you’re right people want guarantee
income here
1351
00:31:59,255 –> 00:31:59,478
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
1352
00:31:59,799 –> 00:32:01,542
[paul_tyler]: an anecdote on monday so
1353
00:32:02,144 –> 00:32:02,165
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
1354
00:32:02,243 –> 00:32:07,580
[paul_tyler]: so i’m back in our office and
in hartford and walking along security
1355
00:32:07,440 –> 00:32:07,683
[david_macchia]: yes
1356
00:32:07,640 –> 00:32:12,348
[paul_tyler]: guy nowell is talking to women who
reports in cafitarnoell and he’s saying sixty two
1357
00:32:13,751 –> 00:32:14,031
[paul_tyler]: sixty
1358
00:32:14,015 –> 00:32:14,035
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
1359
00:32:14,151 –> 00:32:20,081
[paul_tyler]: seven okay i know this conversation so
i stuck my head
1360
00:32:19,929 –> 00:32:19,950
[david_macchia]: m
1361
00:32:20,181 –> 00:32:21,163
[paul_tyler]: in and you know it’s
1362
00:32:21,635 –> 00:32:21,876
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
1363
00:32:22,305 –> 00:32:25,811
[paul_tyler]: you know here are two people struggling
like how do they bridge to retirement
1364
00:32:25,235 –> 00:32:26,455
[ramsey_d_smith]: yah m
1365
00:32:26,712 –> 00:32:28,115
[paul_tyler]: and you know a woman said to
me
1366
00:32:28,475 –> 00:32:28,617
[ramsey_d_smith]: ye
1367
00:32:28,475 –> 00:32:33,341
[paul_tyler]: paul i could actually could actually retire
right now i can’t pay for my health
1368
00:32:33,421 –> 00:32:35,645
[paul_tyler]: care so well do you know the
products
1369
00:32:35,462 –> 00:32:35,483
[david_macchia]: m
1370
00:32:35,685 –> 00:32:36,326
[paul_tyler]: were selling here
1371
00:32:36,219 –> 00:32:36,240
[david_macchia]: m
1372
00:32:36,607 –> 00:32:41,735
[paul_tyler]: can actually help you do that we
could actually said talk to me
1373
00:32:41,846 –> 00:32:41,887
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
1374
00:32:41,896 –> 00:32:43,678
[paul_tyler]: you know we’ll sit down i’ll show
you the numbers i’m not
1375
00:32:43,633 –> 00:32:43,654
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
1376
00:32:43,719 –> 00:32:46,262
[paul_tyler]: selling i’m not making money on this
david i
1377
00:32:46,620 –> 00:32:46,966
[david_macchia]: oh
1378
00:32:46,883 –> 00:32:47,304
[paul_tyler]: maybe i can
1379
00:32:47,285 –> 00:32:47,606
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
1380
00:32:47,564 –> 00:32:50,348
[paul_tyler]: with this count towards my two hours
if i help some people
1381
00:32:50,340 –> 00:32:50,520
[david_macchia]: sure
1382
00:32:50,448 –> 00:32:50,608
[paul_tyler]: here
1383
00:32:50,705 –> 00:32:51,087
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
1384
00:32:52,625 –> 00:32:53,106
[david_macchia]: of course
1385
00:32:52,892 –> 00:32:55,978
[paul_tyler]: but these are real problems sort of
right like i think the guarantee you got
1386
00:32:56,018 –> 00:32:56,079
[paul_tyler]: to
1387
00:32:56,054 –> 00:32:56,496
[david_macchia]: totally
1388
00:32:56,075 –> 00:32:56,301
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
1389
00:32:56,119 –> 00:32:57,622
[paul_tyler]: hit sixty two most people
1390
00:32:57,480 –> 00:32:57,743
[david_macchia]: yeah
1391
00:32:57,682 –> 00:33:00,668
[paul_tyler]: are in they’re not trying to get
rich right they will keep
1392
00:33:01,041 –> 00:33:03,004
[david_macchia]: you can’t you can’t solve risk with
1393
00:33:03,060 –> 00:33:03,263
[paul_tyler]: oh
1394
00:33:03,084 –> 00:33:04,286
[david_macchia]: more risk you have to solve
1395
00:33:04,385 –> 00:33:04,405
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
1396
00:33:04,406 –> 00:33:05,928
[david_macchia]: risk with with safety
1397
00:33:06,460 –> 00:33:06,601
[paul_tyler]: yeah
1398
00:33:06,695 –> 00:33:06,877
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
1399
00:33:07,090 –> 00:33:08,233
[david_macchia]: you just you just have to
1400
00:33:08,483 –> 00:33:08,809
[paul_tyler]: yeah
1401
00:33:09,308 –> 00:33:09,569
[ramsey_d_smith]: i like
1402
00:33:09,476 –> 00:33:09,737
[david_macchia]: and that’s
1403
00:33:09,629 –> 00:33:09,789
[ramsey_d_smith]: that
1404
00:33:09,777 –> 00:33:09,917
[david_macchia]: why
1405
00:33:09,850 –> 00:33:10,191
[ramsey_d_smith]: comment
1406
00:33:10,761 –> 00:33:10,986
[paul_tyler]: right
1407
00:33:11,050 –> 00:33:15,437
[david_macchia]: you’ve got this is why i like
i like advisors not to not
1408
00:33:15,335 –> 00:33:15,538
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
1409
00:33:15,477 –> 00:33:15,818
[david_macchia]: to just
1410
00:33:15,697 –> 00:33:15,777
[paul_tyler]: oh
1411
00:33:16,339 –> 00:33:16,960
[david_macchia]: put themselves
1412
00:33:16,715 –> 00:33:16,896
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
1413
00:33:17,040 –> 00:33:19,143
[david_macchia]: in one pigeon hole right
1414
00:33:19,680 –> 00:33:19,902
[paul_tyler]: yeah
1415
00:33:19,925 –> 00:33:23,170
[david_macchia]: don’t do that think more broadly cause
1416
00:33:23,040 –> 00:33:23,223
[paul_tyler]: yeah
1417
00:33:23,351 –> 00:33:28,784
[david_macchia]: you have to inject safety in the
portfolio the retirement income portfolio
1418
00:33:28,590 –> 00:33:29,310
[paul_tyler]: yeah
1419
00:33:28,864 –> 00:33:30,568
[david_macchia]: of ninety percent of the people
1420
00:33:31,140 –> 00:33:31,322
[paul_tyler]: yeah
1421
00:33:31,361 –> 00:33:32,112
[david_macchia]: they must have it
1422
00:33:33,874 –> 00:33:36,782
[paul_tyler]: i could see the visual for injecting
safety that
1423
00:33:36,990 –> 00:33:37,552
[david_macchia]: uh
1424
00:33:37,163 –> 00:33:37,343
[paul_tyler]: like
1425
00:33:38,033 –> 00:33:41,258
[ramsey_d_smith]: you can’t you can’t solve risk with
more risk paul that’s the that’s the
1426
00:33:41,189 –> 00:33:41,310
[david_macchia]: yeah
1427
00:33:41,261 –> 00:33:41,482
[paul_tyler]: right
1428
00:33:41,318 –> 00:33:43,021
[ramsey_d_smith]: headline on the on the linked in
right
1429
00:33:42,984 –> 00:33:43,244
[paul_tyler]: right
1430
00:33:43,081 –> 00:33:44,564
[ramsey_d_smith]: that’s that’s the that’s the quotable
1431
00:33:45,047 –> 00:33:45,268
[paul_tyler]: yeah
1432
00:33:45,125 –> 00:33:45,346
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
1433
00:33:45,729 –> 00:33:46,189
[paul_tyler]: you can’t
1434
00:33:46,153 –> 00:33:46,275
[ramsey_d_smith]: here
1435
00:33:46,290 –> 00:33:46,690
[paul_tyler]: solve
1436
00:33:46,295 –> 00:33:46,517
[ramsey_d_smith]: you go
1437
00:33:46,830 –> 00:33:53,463
[paul_tyler]: risk with more risk yeah i’ll see
yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah give me the
1438
00:33:53,523 –> 00:33:54,326
[paul_tyler]: notes afterwards
1439
00:33:54,875 –> 00:33:55,095
[ramsey_d_smith]: right
1440
00:33:56,060 –> 00:33:59,506
[paul_tyler]: well he listen this is this is
it’s great to catch up so
1441
00:34:00,125 –> 00:34:00,367
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
1442
00:34:00,300 –> 00:34:00,522
[david_macchia]: oh
1443
00:34:00,488 –> 00:34:01,249
[paul_tyler]: we conofered a lot
1444
00:34:01,265 –> 00:34:01,547
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
1445
00:34:01,409 –> 00:34:05,576
[paul_tyler]: so i think great initiative to drive
more
1446
00:34:05,460 –> 00:34:05,480
[david_macchia]: m
1447
00:34:05,656 –> 00:34:07,479
[paul_tyler]: education into parts
1448
00:34:07,355 –> 00:34:07,657
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
1449
00:34:07,800 –> 00:34:11,025
[paul_tyler]: community that don’t necessarily get a call
from a mary
1450
00:34:10,808 –> 00:34:11,340
[david_macchia]: hm
1451
00:34:11,085 –> 00:34:13,189
[paul_tyler]: lynch advisor or your friends at fisher
1452
00:34:13,161 –> 00:34:13,325
[david_macchia]: right
1453
00:34:13,289 –> 00:34:13,790
[paul_tyler]: investments
1454
00:34:14,195 –> 00:34:14,215
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
1455
00:34:14,591 –> 00:34:14,811
[paul_tyler]: right
1456
00:34:16,385 –> 00:34:16,405
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
1457
00:34:16,614 –> 00:34:18,618
[paul_tyler]: they’re not calling them right
1458
00:34:18,595 –> 00:34:18,695
[david_macchia]: no
1459
00:34:18,700 –> 00:34:18,740
[ramsey_d_smith]: hm
1460
00:34:18,958 –> 00:34:19,419
[paul_tyler]: and they need
1461
00:34:19,356 –> 00:34:19,556
[david_macchia]: they’re
1462
00:34:19,479 –> 00:34:19,599
[paul_tyler]: help
1463
00:34:19,597 –> 00:34:20,117
[david_macchia]: not calling
1464
00:34:20,381 –> 00:34:20,962
[paul_tyler]: i think this is
1465
00:34:20,898 –> 00:34:21,059
[david_macchia]: yep
1466
00:34:21,042 –> 00:34:23,546
[paul_tyler]: great we talked about sort of the
state of the
1467
00:34:23,495 –> 00:34:23,797
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
1468
00:34:23,586 –> 00:34:24,888
[paul_tyler]: state of
1469
00:34:26,015 –> 00:34:26,945
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
1470
00:34:26,411 –> 00:34:27,292
[paul_tyler]: crazy economy
1471
00:34:27,336 –> 00:34:27,437
[ramsey_d_smith]: ah
1472
00:34:27,893 –> 00:34:32,320
[paul_tyler]: and we didn’t get to get go
here i actually found the other there’s actually
1473
00:34:32,941 –> 00:34:37,166
[paul_tyler]: stand for puts out and when we
get this right it’s let’s
1474
00:34:37,205 –> 00:34:37,528
[ramsey_d_smith]: yah
1475
00:34:37,206 –> 00:34:38,347
[paul_tyler]: see a
1476
00:34:41,460 –> 00:34:42,221
[paul_tyler]: it’s an index
1477
00:34:42,990 –> 00:34:43,010
[david_macchia]: m
1478
00:34:43,022 –> 00:34:44,064
[paul_tyler]: we’re not gonna put this in ten
1479
00:34:45,635 –> 00:34:45,916
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
1480
00:34:46,167 –> 00:34:48,311
[paul_tyler]: but it’s the world uncertainty index
1481
00:34:48,605 –> 00:34:49,625
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
1482
00:34:49,092 –> 00:34:50,455
[paul_tyler]: and boy it’s just getting higher
1483
00:34:50,002 –> 00:34:50,547
[david_macchia]: interesting
1484
00:34:50,615 –> 00:34:51,136
[paul_tyler]: and higher
1485
00:34:51,393 –> 00:34:51,554
[david_macchia]: yeah
1486
00:34:51,817 –> 00:34:53,984
[paul_tyler]: very interesting so but risk
1487
00:34:53,834 –> 00:34:53,855
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
1488
00:34:54,045 –> 00:34:56,430
[paul_tyler]: and uncertainty i don’t know ramsey
1489
00:34:56,255 –> 00:34:56,604
[ramsey_d_smith]: my
1490
00:34:56,490 –> 00:35:00,518
[paul_tyler]: what are what are your thoughts take
aways an last questions for david
1491
00:35:01,556 –> 00:35:04,000
[ramsey_d_smith]: um just i think we i think
we covered
1492
00:35:03,810 –> 00:35:04,052
[paul_tyler]: oh
1493
00:35:04,060 –> 00:35:06,143
[ramsey_d_smith]: an amazing amount of ground today
1494
00:35:06,060 –> 00:35:06,381
[david_macchia]: yeah
1495
00:35:06,524 –> 00:35:07,205
[ramsey_d_smith]: very efficiently
1496
00:35:07,668 –> 00:35:07,869
[david_macchia]: yeah
1497
00:35:08,367 –> 00:35:09,208
[ramsey_d_smith]: i’ll just say that you know
1498
00:35:09,150 –> 00:35:09,170
[david_macchia]: m
1499
00:35:09,489 –> 00:35:13,075
[ramsey_d_smith]: david between this visit and the last
visit on some
1500
00:35:13,050 –> 00:35:13,313
[paul_tyler]: yeah
1501
00:35:13,115 –> 00:35:13,815
[ramsey_d_smith]: of the things that you’ve
1502
00:35:13,710 –> 00:35:13,930
[david_macchia]: oh
1503
00:35:13,955 –> 00:35:20,261
[ramsey_d_smith]: you’ve written recently you are you’re very
you’re very thoughtful individual in this space so
1504
00:35:20,340 –> 00:35:20,360
[david_macchia]: m
1505
00:35:20,762 –> 00:35:23,004
[ramsey_d_smith]: thoughtful and and a passionate voice around
1506
00:35:22,680 –> 00:35:23,460
[paul_tyler]: oh
1507
00:35:23,164 –> 00:35:28,181
[ramsey_d_smith]: you know retirement income so thank you
for doing what you do and it’s been
1508
00:35:28,221 –> 00:35:28,582
[ramsey_d_smith]: real pleasure
1509
00:35:29,640 –> 00:35:32,923
[david_macchia]: thank you for saying that ramsey and
it’s always a pleasure to be with both
1510
00:35:32,983 –> 00:35:34,685
[david_macchia]: of you i love what you’ve done
1511
00:35:34,565 –> 00:35:34,869
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
1512
00:35:34,725 –> 00:35:36,747
[david_macchia]: with the podcast it’s essential listening
1513
00:35:36,425 –> 00:35:36,729
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
1514
00:35:37,040 –> 00:35:37,220
[paul_tyler]: yeah
1515
00:35:37,388 –> 00:35:38,068
[david_macchia]: it really is
1516
00:35:38,005 –> 00:35:38,286
[ramsey_d_smith]: thank you
1517
00:35:38,642 –> 00:35:43,010
[paul_tyler]: thanks yeah hey david listen keep doing
what you’re doing you know one
1518
00:35:42,965 –> 00:35:44,135
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
1519
00:35:43,110 –> 00:35:44,152
[paul_tyler]: part of the introduction we
1520
00:35:44,160 –> 00:35:44,940
[david_macchia]: yeah
1521
00:35:44,232 –> 00:35:47,076
[paul_tyler]: didn’t give you is you’re just you’re
doing a great job out in
1522
00:35:47,435 –> 00:35:47,455
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
1523
00:35:47,838 –> 00:35:48,699
[paul_tyler]: unlinked in and some
1524
00:35:48,725 –> 00:35:49,028
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
1525
00:35:48,739 –> 00:35:55,130
[paul_tyler]: of these websites just keeping the message
in front of people about guarantees about income
1526
00:35:55,170 –> 00:35:55,230
[paul_tyler]: and
1527
00:35:55,205 –> 00:35:55,526
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
1528
00:35:55,310 –> 00:35:57,654
[paul_tyler]: thank you i think what you’re doing
is terrific
1529
00:35:58,320 –> 00:35:58,683
[david_macchia]: oh
1530
00:35:58,455 –> 00:35:58,616
[paul_tyler]: um
1531
00:35:59,720 –> 00:36:00,003
[david_macchia]: thank you
1532
00:36:00,058 –> 00:36:05,568
[paul_tyler]: yeah look we want to support we
want to sport your project two thousand minutes
1533
00:36:06,008 –> 00:36:06,309
[paul_tyler]: so well
1534
00:36:06,257 –> 00:36:06,759
[ramsey_d_smith]: six thousand
1535
00:36:06,750 –> 00:36:07,952
[paul_tyler]: six thousand six thousand
1536
00:36:07,895 –> 00:36:08,135
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
1537
00:36:08,232 –> 00:36:10,616
[paul_tyler]: i’m bad date for numbers for me
1538
00:36:11,139 –> 00:36:15,446
[david_macchia]: i very much appreciate that paul like
i said we need we need the participation
1539
00:36:15,546 –> 00:36:16,688
[david_macchia]: of institutions
1540
00:36:16,660 –> 00:36:16,763
[ramsey_d_smith]: ah
1541
00:36:16,728 –> 00:36:17,651
[david_macchia]: and individuals so
1542
00:36:18,485 –> 00:36:18,505
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
1543
00:36:18,736 –> 00:36:19,037
[david_macchia]: i really
1544
00:36:18,900 –> 00:36:19,003
[paul_tyler]: ye
1545
00:36:19,098 –> 00:36:20,524
[david_macchia]: wanted to get off the ground and
be very very
1546
00:36:20,570 –> 00:36:20,770
[paul_tyler]: okay
1547
00:36:20,585 –> 00:36:21,067
[david_macchia]: successful
1548
00:36:21,031 –> 00:36:22,673
[paul_tyler]: great we’ll put the link and link
to
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[ramsey_d_smith]: ye
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[paul_tyler]: your side and we’ll put the link
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[david_macchia]: oh
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[paul_tyler]: your linked in account whatever however else
so people can get in touch with you
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[paul_tyler]: this is great thanks david ramsey thank
you and thanks for listening
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[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
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[paul_tyler]: so it’s again next week
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[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
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[paul_tyler]: for another episode of that annuity show
thanks
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[ramsey_d_smith]: yah
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[david_macchia]: thank you
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[paul_tyler]: this is paul tyler and welcome
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[david_macchia]: oh
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[paul_tyler]: to another episode that annuity show ramsey
harry you
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[ramsey_d_smith]: fantastic always glad to be here
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[paul_tyler]: yeah well it’s we’ve had some interesting
interesting month coming up i mean actually can
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[paul_tyler]: be out at shortt connect
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[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
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[paul_tyler]: there’s some interesting overlap
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[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
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[paul_tyler]: with some of the people we’ve
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[ramsey_d_smith]: m
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[paul_tyler]: had on this show and some of
the people who participate in retire tech
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[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
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[ramsey_d_smith]: ah
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[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
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[paul_tyler]: looking forward to seeing smal friends meeting
some new men which we have an old
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[ramsey_d_smith]: m
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[paul_tyler]: friend now an old
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[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
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[paul_tyler]: friend back on our program today
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[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
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[paul_tyler]: rams you want to do the introductions
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[ramsey_d_smith]: absolutely
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[paul_tyler]: oh
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[ramsey_d_smith]: we’re very lucky to have
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[paul_tyler]: oh
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[ramsey_d_smith]: david mark rejoin us to talk about
some of the things that he’s been doing
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[ramsey_d_smith]: in the in the few months since
the last time we had on the show
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[ramsey_d_smith]: m david for those of you don’t
know is the founder and co of wealth
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[ramsey_d_smith]: to k he’s also a very prolific
and passionate writer about about many and all
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[ramsey_d_smith]: things retirement income you know built particularly
around the concept of a constrained investor which
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[ramsey_d_smith]: is something we talked about on his
on his
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[paul_tyler]: yeah
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[ramsey_d_smith]: last visit here in addition to that
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[paul_tyler]: yeah
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[ramsey_d_smith]: he is launched a new product
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[paul_tyler]: yeah
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[ramsey_d_smith]: you should say a new project rather
that he’s going to
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[paul_tyler]: oh
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[ramsey_d_smith]: share the outlines with us on today
which is called project six thousand minutes a
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[ramsey_d_smith]: really very interesting initiative so with that
welcome back to the show david and we
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[ramsey_d_smith]: look forward to our chat today so
tell us
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[david_macchia]: yeah
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[ramsey_d_smith]: what are some of the key things
you’re focusing on lately
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[david_macchia]: ah
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[paul_tyler]: yeah
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[david_macchia]: first of all thank you ramsey and
thank you paul
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[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
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[paul_tyler]: yeah
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[david_macchia]: for having me back i very much
enjoyed being with you
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[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
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[david_macchia]: so you mentioned project six thousand minutes
and over the last several months this is
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[ramsey_d_smith]: m
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[david_macchia]: that’s been very much on top of
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[ramsey_d_smith]: m
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[david_macchia]: give folks an outline of what it
is those of us who’ve been blessed with
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[david_macchia]: advantages and
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[paul_tyler]: yah
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[david_macchia]: have done you know well
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[paul_tyler]: yeah
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[david_macchia]: financially you think about at some point
in your life giving back and you know
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[david_macchia]: my belief about giving back is that
one of the greatest gifts one can give
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[david_macchia]: is education education is the way for
because i think to elevate themselves in my
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[david_macchia]: own
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[paul_tyler]: yeah
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[david_macchia]: life i can point to education as
being instrumental
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[paul_tyler]: yeah
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[david_macchia]: in helping me you know elevate where
i was and when i started to where
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[david_macchia]: i became over time and the idea
of project six thousand minutes is a way
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[david_macchia]: for people to help contribute to building
a more equitable society specifically project six thousand
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[paul_tyler]: oh
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[david_macchia]: minutes aims to deliver free financial education
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[paul_tyler]: oh
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[david_macchia]: to women from undeserved communities black women
hispanic women latina women and other
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[paul_tyler]: okay
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[david_macchia]: women from undeserved communities who need basic
financial education well you say well how would
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[david_macchia]: that happen how does that actually play
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[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
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[david_macchia]: well think of this the financial advisor
community collectively possesses a level
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[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
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[david_macchia]: of wisdom that’s unmatched
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[paul_tyler]: yeah
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[david_macchia]: so the idea of project six thousand
minutes as advisors would donate two hours per
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[david_macchia]: week of their time
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[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
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[david_macchia]: to deliver education in their local communities
in any number of
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[ramsey_d_smith]: yes
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[david_macchia]: venus to profit organization s places of
worships community centers or
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[ramsey_d_smith]: ye
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[david_macchia]: online or online and by doing that
we can leverage the financial advisor community in
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[david_macchia]: a way that will help really build
a more the bow and stronger society the
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[david_macchia]: name project six thousand minutes
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[paul_tyler]: oh
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[david_macchia]: comes from the idea that
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[paul_tyler]: my
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[ramsey_d_smith]: m
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[david_macchia]: devotes two hours per week over the
cost of fifty weeks that’s six thousand minutes
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[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
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[david_macchia]: so i think you know if
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[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
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[david_macchia]: we are able to get this off
the ground successfully and have a large number
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[david_macchia]: of financial advisors
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[paul_tyler]: oh
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[ramsey_d_smith]: m
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[david_macchia]: deliver education we will change people’s lives
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[paul_tyler]: yeah
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[david_macchia]: to some extent and i think it
will also become
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[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
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[david_macchia]: a way to educate women who some
of whom will say you know
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[ramsey_d_smith]: yes
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[david_macchia]: i love this topic i love learning
about financial issues perhaps i’ll pursue a career
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[david_macchia]: as a financial advisor and of course
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[paul_tyler]: yeah
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[david_macchia]: you know we need to have women
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[david_macchia]: you know in the ranks of the
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[ramsey_d_smith]: m
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[david_macchia]: need to have more minority women in
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[ramsey_d_smith]: m
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[david_macchia]: perhaps this and become a pipeline to
you know try to address that long standing
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[david_macchia]: aspiration we need support we need support
of financial advisors we need support of sponsors
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[david_macchia]: at the corporate level
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[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
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[david_macchia]: anyone can learn about this initiative
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[ramsey_d_smith]: yea
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[david_macchia]: at the website project
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[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
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[david_macchia]: six thousand minutes dot com
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[ramsey_d_smith]: ye
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[david_macchia]: i’ll help you visit
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[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
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[david_macchia]: it and i help you learn and
i help you think about contributing to this
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[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
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[paul_tyler]: yeah
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[david_macchia]: and thanks for giving me an opportunity
to talk about
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[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
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[paul_tyler]: yeah and just just
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[david_macchia]: oh
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[paul_tyler]: is i think it’s fabulous idea you
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[david_macchia]: m
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[paul_tyler]: strange you know one of my
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[david_macchia]: m
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[paul_tyler]: simons had a prim
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[david_macchia]: oh
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[paul_tyler]: prior company was run reliance
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[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
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[paul_tyler]: right so i’ve learned to put my
compliant
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[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
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[paul_tyler]: healthy
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[david_macchia]: oh
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[paul_tyler]: skeptical hat on here so dave how
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[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
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[paul_tyler]: how do you know you’re in the
design phase
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[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
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[paul_tyler]: of this how do you keep this
from being like a legion
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[ramsey_d_smith]: right
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[paul_tyler]: opportunity and it’s us
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[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
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[paul_tyler]: and rather keep it
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[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
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[paul_tyler]: as a give back to a community
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[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
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[paul_tyler]: you know wat are the so are
you selecting agents you know what’s the how
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[paul_tyler]: do you kind of put guard rails
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[david_macchia]: it’s a great
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[paul_tyler]: oh
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[david_macchia]: question and i’m not sure i have
a perfect
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[ramsey_d_smith]: yes
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[david_macchia]: answer yet
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[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
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[david_macchia]: i think the people who will
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[ramsey_d_smith]: ye
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[david_macchia]: respond to this those who genuinely want
to get back by don’t
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[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
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[david_macchia]: in some of their time and some
of their brain power to
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[david_macchia]: people who can benefit
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[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
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[david_macchia]: from it
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[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
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[david_macchia]: i never really conceived of
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[ramsey_d_smith]: m
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[david_macchia]: it as as anything other than that
paul
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[paul_tyler]: yeah
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[david_macchia]: and i don’t
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[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
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[david_macchia]: think it will be you know we
want to
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[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
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[david_macchia]: form this in a non profit structure
we wanted to be you know clean
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[ramsey_d_smith]: m
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[david_macchia]: and proper
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[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
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[david_macchia]: and appropriate and devoted to its mission
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[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
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[david_macchia]: wouldn’t be good to have it stray
into into anything
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[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
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[david_macchia]: that becomes more commercial let’s put it
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[ramsey_d_smith]: so interestingly i mean in some ways
i want to take the
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[david_macchia]: oh
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[ramsey_d_smith]: other side of your point paul
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[david_macchia]: hm
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[ramsey_d_smith]: right
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[david_macchia]: i
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[ramsey_d_smith]: um i think that that one of
the one of the challenges in financial advice
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[ramsey_d_smith]: is is that there there still is
a large part of the population that isn’t
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[ramsey_d_smith]: it’s a lack of trust
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[paul_tyler]: yeah
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[ramsey_d_smith]: and in my mind you know an
initiative like this you know allows more people
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do in their personal finances and two quite
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[ramsey_d_smith]: importantly kind of bifricate what part of
this can i handle myself versus o things
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[ramsey_d_smith]: that i might actually seek seek
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[paul_tyler]: yeah
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[ramsey_d_smith]: seek seek
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[ramsey_d_smith]: advice on so in my view like
you know if if this sort of lives
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potential you end up creating more potent clients
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[ramsey_d_smith]: down the road maybe not this year
but maybe maybe those people are clients ten
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[ramsey_d_smith]: years down the road for the right
for the broader community
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[david_macchia]: oh
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[ramsey_d_smith]: and you you ultimately end up potentially
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[david_macchia]: yeah
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[ramsey_d_smith]: some some new advisors down the road
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[paul_tyler]: oh
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[ramsey_d_smith]: um one other point that i’ll put
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[paul_tyler]: yeah
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[david_macchia]: oh
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[ramsey_d_smith]: is that actually think one of things
that it is often underestimated about the value
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[ramsey_d_smith]: of non profit work is it you
know put you in a position to work
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[ramsey_d_smith]: with people on something about which they’re
very passionate so the people like so so
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[david_macchia]: hm
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[ramsey_d_smith]: david you’re going to pursue this an
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[ramsey_d_smith]: people on this and
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[david_macchia]: oh
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[ramsey_d_smith]: and my sense is your on get
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[david_macchia]: yeah
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[ramsey_d_smith]: those people and there will be now
work opportunities there as well that you know
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[ramsey_d_smith]: create other energies so
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[paul_tyler]: yeah
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[ramsey_d_smith]: i think this is a fantastic idea
who knows like what you know how all
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[paul_tyler]: oh
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[ramsey_d_smith]: those things will come out but i
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[paul_tyler]: yeah
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[ramsey_d_smith]: think it it can and end up
being commercial in a good way over the
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[david_macchia]: yeah
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[ramsey_d_smith]: that’s beneficial to everybody
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[paul_tyler]: yeah no
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[david_macchia]: all right
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[paul_tyler]: listen david we talked about this a
little bit i’m not
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[david_macchia]: m
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[paul_tyler]: sure if you could hear me
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[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
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[paul_tyler]: on
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[david_macchia]: m
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[paul_tyler]: the phone but i think it’s a
great idea if i were had
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[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
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[paul_tyler]: an agency or a
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[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
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[paul_tyler]: firm in a community would speak right
way give back with resources give my skills
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[paul_tyler]: back to the community
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[ramsey_d_smith]: m
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[paul_tyler]: and your ram
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[ramsey_d_smith]: m
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[paul_tyler]: right done properly it probably does generate
a lot furls it probably engenders david is
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[paul_tyler]: probably one of the best brand building
things i could do in a community
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[david_macchia]: i think
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[paul_tyler]: oh
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[david_macchia]: that’s right i think i agree with
both of you i think it reflects
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[ramsey_d_smith]: m
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[david_macchia]: positively on the advisor who’s donating
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[paul_tyler]: yeah
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[david_macchia]: time and trying to make a contribution
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[ramsey_d_smith]: m
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[david_macchia]: to his or her community
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[paul_tyler]: yeah
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[david_macchia]: you know that’s absolutely true i can’t
i can’t disagree with that at all i
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[david_macchia]: think you’re absolutely right about it and
i’m excited and i
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[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
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[david_macchia]: i hope like i said i hope
folks will
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[paul_tyler]: oh
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[david_macchia]: go to the website and i hope
we can enlist
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[paul_tyler]: yeah
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[david_macchia]: some sponsors
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[paul_tyler]: oh
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[david_macchia]: from the corporal level i don’t think
this can work without corporate participation
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[paul_tyler]: agree
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[david_macchia]: because the financial advisors contribution that doesn’t
need to be and shouldn’t be direct
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[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
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[david_macchia]: cash contributions it
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[ramsey_d_smith]: ye
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[david_macchia]: should be in time and and the
conveyance
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[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
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[david_macchia]: of his or her wisdom
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[paul_tyler]: oh
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[david_macchia]: that’s that’s really the gold standard contribution
here
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[paul_tyler]: yeah ramsey i think of you know
wendy cops
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[ramsey_d_smith]: m
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[paul_tyler]: teacher for america
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[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
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[david_macchia]: yeah
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[paul_tyler]: project right that
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[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
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[paul_tyler]: was a senior thesis you
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[david_macchia]: oh
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[paul_tyler]: know david to at
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[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
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[david_macchia]: oh
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[paul_tyler]: that turned into like amazing organization
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[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
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[david_macchia]: m
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[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
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[david_macchia]: m
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[ramsey_d_smith]: used to sit in the same computer
room at school
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[paul_tyler]: oh
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[david_macchia]: m
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[ramsey_d_smith]: at the next computer she was writing
that senior thesis
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[paul_tyler]: really
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[ramsey_d_smith]: back
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[david_macchia]: wow
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[ramsey_d_smith]: and like the lady if you can
believe it
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[david_macchia]: wow amazing
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[paul_tyler]: yeah
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[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
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[paul_tyler]: there’s a lot of power there you
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[ramsey_d_smith]: yeh
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[paul_tyler]: you know again i’m just
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[david_macchia]: m
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[paul_tyler]: like i’m one
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[david_macchia]: oh
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[paul_tyler]: of these people
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[ramsey_d_smith]: m
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[paul_tyler]: want to like take that take
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[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
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[paul_tyler]: the hammer out start building
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[david_macchia]: m
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[paul_tyler]: this stuff yeah i think i think
you definitely would need
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[david_macchia]: m
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[paul_tyler]: like a a large
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[david_macchia]: yeah
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[paul_tyler]: carrier with some probably some fairly tied
distribution captive is oxymoreon this business but we
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[paul_tyler]: use a lot right you need the
coverage because
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[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
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[paul_tyler]: boy you
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[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
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[paul_tyler]: mean well but you’ve got you attorneys
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[ramsey_d_smith]: m
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[paul_tyler]: you know that who be very happy
to take some
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[ramsey_d_smith]: m
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[paul_tyler]: cases here so i think you have
to think that you know coverage right
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[david_macchia]: yeah
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[paul_tyler]: the program that i’m assuming this would
tie
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[david_macchia]: oh
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[paul_tyler]: in your your platform
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[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
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[paul_tyler]: would actually be a good name for
for an effort like this correct
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[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
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[david_macchia]: that
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[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
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[david_macchia]: that hadn’t been in my mind at
all i wasn’t looking for any
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[paul_tyler]: oh
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[david_macchia]: kind of ties directly
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[paul_tyler]: yeah
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[david_macchia]: to anything i’m doing another facets of
my life so i think one of one
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[david_macchia]: of
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[paul_tyler]: oh
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[david_macchia]: the great things here i said a
you know one of the things i’ve written
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[david_macchia]: about and you guys know this is
this the warring factions of financial services right
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[david_macchia]: the r a community that looks
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[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
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[david_macchia]: down to the insurance community the insurance
community that says you’re
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[paul_tyler]: oh
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[david_macchia]: hypocrites because
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[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
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[david_macchia]: you’re
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[paul_tyler]: yeah
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[david_macchia]: pay structure actually is
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[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
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[david_macchia]: more than my commission you know the
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[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
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[david_macchia]: thing you have
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[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
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[david_macchia]: all these warring factions and it’s
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[paul_tyler]: oh
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[david_macchia]: and i said wouldn’t it be great
if there was something that everybody could galvanize
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[david_macchia]: around and contribute their competency to because
the truth of the matter is every facet
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[david_macchia]: of the advisor community has very specific
knowledge that’s valuable right and in constructing
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[ramsey_d_smith]: m
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[david_macchia]: someone’s
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[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
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[david_macchia]: foundational life right in terms of finance
all of it matters it’s just not one
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[david_macchia]: perspective that matters
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[ramsey_d_smith]: ye
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[david_macchia]: all the perspectives matter and so my
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[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
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[david_macchia]: my hope is that
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[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
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[david_macchia]: no matter what area of financial services
you’re you’re from and no matter how you
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[david_macchia]: are regulated
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[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
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[david_macchia]: and what you all yourself on your
business card you have a place to contribute
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[ramsey_d_smith]: m
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[david_macchia]: here and so i didn’t define any
platform or idea of how this should you
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[david_macchia]: play out what we will do is
we’ll create a curriculum
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[paul_tyler]: s
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[david_macchia]: you know that the people can run
with that that is addresses all the areas
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[david_macchia]: of finance that we need
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[ramsey_d_smith]: m
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[david_macchia]: to educate on
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[paul_tyler]: yeah
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[david_macchia]: that for sure will
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[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
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[david_macchia]: do
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[paul_tyler]: you know
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[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
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[paul_tyler]: m thinking back you know i’m sure
you have so mature boy harry stout’s book
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[paul_tyler]: you know the financial verse we had
harry
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00:12:14,735 –> 00:12:14,996
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
427
00:12:14,971 –> 00:12:15,532
[paul_tyler]: stout on there
428
00:12:15,430 –> 00:12:15,572
[david_macchia]: yep
429
00:12:15,652 –> 00:12:15,792
[paul_tyler]: he’s
430
00:12:17,114 –> 00:12:17,135
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
431
00:12:17,141 –> 00:12:17,285
[david_macchia]: yep
432
00:12:17,495 –> 00:12:18,958
[paul_tyler]: you’ve got a good set of books
433
00:12:18,840 –> 00:12:18,860
[david_macchia]: m
434
00:12:19,038 –> 00:12:20,240
[paul_tyler]: there i’m sure so
435
00:12:20,504 –> 00:12:20,525
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
436
00:12:20,623 –> 00:12:21,227
[paul_tyler]: harry love the
437
00:12:21,200 –> 00:12:21,344
[david_macchia]: yep
438
00:12:21,267 –> 00:12:22,656
[paul_tyler]: cardinal with you on something like this
439
00:12:23,600 –> 00:12:24,483
[david_macchia]: yeah i like harry
440
00:12:24,365 –> 00:12:24,385
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
441
00:12:24,703 –> 00:12:25,746
[david_macchia]: i can talk to harry about it
442
00:12:25,740 –> 00:12:25,820
[paul_tyler]: ah
443
00:12:25,787 –> 00:12:26,128
[david_macchia]: for sure
444
00:12:26,761 –> 00:12:30,826
[paul_tyler]: so this is cool i think this
is great now david any way we can
445
00:12:30,886 –> 00:12:32,167
[paul_tyler]: help you know let us know
446
00:12:32,564 –> 00:12:32,585
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
447
00:12:34,440 –> 00:12:34,982
[david_macchia]: thank you polly
448
00:12:35,021 –> 00:12:36,243
[paul_tyler]: yeah i had a question
449
00:12:35,867 –> 00:12:36,464
[ramsey_d_smith]: and then what
450
00:12:36,624 –> 00:12:37,225
[paul_tyler]: on financial
451
00:12:37,175 –> 00:12:37,482
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
452
00:12:37,505 –> 00:12:38,467
[paul_tyler]: you now what his financial
453
00:12:38,165 –> 00:12:38,407
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
454
00:12:38,527 –> 00:12:41,873
[paul_tyler]: literacy came in from from you know
writer
455
00:12:41,855 –> 00:12:42,120
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
456
00:12:42,750 –> 00:12:43,013
[david_macchia]: oh
457
00:12:42,995 –> 00:12:45,859
[paul_tyler]: s a couple of days ago and
that was that was a hard question david
458
00:12:46,181 –> 00:12:48,150
[paul_tyler]: how what is financial literacy how do
459
00:12:48,185 –> 00:12:48,205
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
460
00:12:48,210 –> 00:12:51,112
[paul_tyler]: you answer that question oh
461
00:12:51,341 –> 00:12:55,528
[david_macchia]: well i think it’s what we don’t
teach in school right we do an awful
462
00:12:55,503 –> 00:12:55,603
[paul_tyler]: it’s
463
00:12:55,608 –> 00:12:55,868
[david_macchia]: job
464
00:12:55,663 –> 00:12:56,145
[paul_tyler]: a negative
465
00:12:55,895 –> 00:12:55,915
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
466
00:12:56,626 –> 00:12:56,846
[paul_tyler]: yes
467
00:12:57,110 –> 00:12:57,791
[david_macchia]: we do an awful
468
00:12:57,819 –> 00:12:57,839
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
469
00:12:57,891 –> 00:12:58,312
[david_macchia]: job of
470
00:12:58,782 –> 00:12:58,966
[paul_tyler]: yeah
471
00:12:58,853 –> 00:12:59,294
[david_macchia]: failing
472
00:12:59,610 –> 00:12:59,793
[paul_tyler]: oh
473
00:12:59,694 –> 00:13:00,656
[david_macchia]: to educate people
474
00:13:00,344 –> 00:13:00,365
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
475
00:13:00,690 –> 00:13:01,560
[paul_tyler]: yeah
476
00:13:00,875 –> 00:13:01,159
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
477
00:13:00,896 –> 00:13:05,464
[david_macchia]: on on understanding how to build wealth
how to avoid debt how to
478
00:13:05,550 –> 00:13:05,791
[paul_tyler]: yeah
479
00:13:05,584 –> 00:13:07,027
[david_macchia]: avoid extraneous costs
480
00:13:07,140 –> 00:13:07,340
[paul_tyler]: yeah
481
00:13:07,207 –> 00:13:11,895
[david_macchia]: that deprive people of having you know
wealth how to live within a budget what
482
00:13:11,935 –> 00:13:15,220
[david_macchia]: does a budget even mean how to
have a personal finance statement
483
00:13:15,270 –> 00:13:16,050
[paul_tyler]: oh
484
00:13:16,062 –> 00:13:22,352
[david_macchia]: this is basic stuff but it’s not
something that people are taught and you know
485
00:13:22,412 –> 00:13:25,998
[david_macchia]: and then when you get into the
more you know older people in retirement it
486
00:13:26,038 –> 00:13:27,260
[david_macchia]: gets even more omplicated
487
00:13:26,744 –> 00:13:26,765
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
488
00:13:27,360 –> 00:13:27,645
[paul_tyler]: oh
489
00:13:27,845 –> 00:13:27,865
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
490
00:13:28,042 –> 00:13:31,107
[david_macchia]: you know how do you think about
social security how s that handle how do
491
00:13:31,167 –> 00:13:34,513
[david_macchia]: you use money to create income there’s
492
00:13:34,475 –> 00:13:35,083
[ramsey_d_smith]: ye
493
00:13:34,613 –> 00:13:37,377
[david_macchia]: so many issues there’s so many issues
and such a deficit
494
00:13:37,274 –> 00:13:37,295
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
495
00:13:37,658 –> 00:13:39,623
[david_macchia]: of understanding knowledge about them
496
00:13:39,810 –> 00:13:40,560
[paul_tyler]: yeah
497
00:13:40,505 –> 00:13:41,375
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
498
00:13:40,566 –> 00:13:43,838
[david_macchia]: and that’s where i think we can
we can make a tangible impact
499
00:13:44,653 –> 00:13:44,733
[paul_tyler]: what
500
00:13:44,684 –> 00:13:44,705
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
501
00:13:44,773 –> 00:13:49,004
[paul_tyler]: do you think is financial literacy a
course i take and a grade that i
502
00:13:49,104 –> 00:13:49,745
[paul_tyler]: receive like
503
00:13:50,100 –> 00:13:50,362
[david_macchia]: yah
504
00:13:50,106 –> 00:13:50,828
[paul_tyler]: it pass fail
505
00:13:51,028 –> 00:13:51,150
[david_macchia]: yah
506
00:13:51,390 –> 00:13:51,793
[paul_tyler]: yeah
507
00:13:52,209 –> 00:13:54,372
[ramsey_d_smith]: you know it’s it’s interesting a view
financial
508
00:13:54,060 –> 00:13:55,170
[paul_tyler]: oh
509
00:13:54,433 –> 00:13:55,494
[ramsey_d_smith]: literacy is something
510
00:13:55,290 –> 00:13:56,610
[paul_tyler]: yeah
511
00:13:55,554 –> 00:14:02,025
[ramsey_d_smith]: that’s a that’s developed over a lifetime
right because things change both like what available
512
00:14:02,085 –> 00:14:04,269
[ramsey_d_smith]: in the market the market itself as
well as like
513
00:14:04,261 –> 00:14:04,342
[paul_tyler]: we
514
00:14:04,309 –> 00:14:05,591
[ramsey_d_smith]: your personal situation so
515
00:14:05,700 –> 00:14:05,920
[david_macchia]: oh
516
00:14:07,013 –> 00:14:10,159
[ramsey_d_smith]: as much as anything else i kind
of think of financial literacy as
517
00:14:10,500 –> 00:14:10,683
[david_macchia]: oh
518
00:14:10,740 –> 00:14:15,868
[ramsey_d_smith]: as a habit you develop the expectation
you’re never going to get it exactly right
519
00:14:16,169 –> 00:14:20,616
[ramsey_d_smith]: but it’s better to make make decisions
than to succumb
520
00:14:20,580 –> 00:14:22,050
[paul_tyler]: yeah
521
00:14:20,656 –> 00:14:22,179
[ramsey_d_smith]: to not making decisions which usually
522
00:14:22,080 –> 00:14:22,100
[paul_tyler]: m
523
00:14:22,219 –> 00:14:27,628
[ramsey_d_smith]: are where the biggest mistakes happening with
respect to once personal finances so i’ve
524
00:14:27,474 –> 00:14:27,990
[paul_tyler]: right
525
00:14:27,690 –> 00:14:27,771
[david_macchia]: ah
526
00:14:28,289 –> 00:14:31,234
[ramsey_d_smith]: i’ve become a bit cynical in that
i used to think you could truly solve
527
00:14:31,294 –> 00:14:34,479
[ramsey_d_smith]: financial literacy and if you just sort
of taught it better and i think that
528
00:14:34,539 –> 00:14:37,625
[ramsey_d_smith]: actually it’s more of an attitude than
anything else
529
00:14:37,980 –> 00:14:38,000
[david_macchia]: m
530
00:14:38,145 –> 00:14:38,265
[ramsey_d_smith]: and
531
00:14:38,191 –> 00:14:38,271
[paul_tyler]: ah
532
00:14:38,986 –> 00:14:41,649
[ramsey_d_smith]: and so that’s why that’s why tools
like this need to be available
533
00:14:41,532 –> 00:14:41,613
[paul_tyler]: ah
534
00:14:41,689 –> 00:14:42,029
[ramsey_d_smith]: to people so
535
00:14:42,000 –> 00:14:42,020
[david_macchia]: m
536
00:14:42,049 –> 00:14:42,509
[ramsey_d_smith]: they can start
537
00:14:42,480 –> 00:14:42,742
[paul_tyler]: oh
538
00:14:43,210 –> 00:14:46,714
[ramsey_d_smith]: thinking about it in corporate ncorporating into
their right in their daily lives
539
00:14:46,981 –> 00:14:47,922
[paul_tyler]: yeah i like the
540
00:14:47,872 –> 00:14:47,892
[david_macchia]: i
541
00:14:47,962 –> 00:14:49,184
[paul_tyler]: word actions david i mean
542
00:14:49,286 –> 00:14:49,487
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
543
00:14:49,525 –> 00:14:51,648
[paul_tyler]: what would you i mean i go
544
00:14:51,755 –> 00:14:52,895
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
545
00:14:51,789 –> 00:14:54,994
[paul_tyler]: through i you know i received
546
00:14:54,545 –> 00:14:54,867
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
547
00:14:56,316 –> 00:14:56,797
[paul_tyler]: counseling
548
00:14:56,739 –> 00:14:56,760
[david_macchia]: m
549
00:14:56,897 –> 00:14:58,339
[paul_tyler]: from you know somebody in a program
550
00:14:58,380 –> 00:14:58,604
[david_macchia]: oh
551
00:14:58,520 –> 00:14:59,981
[paul_tyler]: my financially literate in life
552
00:15:00,060 –> 00:15:00,080
[david_macchia]: m
553
00:15:00,181 –> 00:15:00,662
[paul_tyler]: financially
554
00:15:00,335 –> 00:15:00,576
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
555
00:15:00,722 –> 00:15:01,322
[paul_tyler]: empowered
556
00:15:01,775 –> 00:15:01,795
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
557
00:15:02,303 –> 00:15:03,685
[paul_tyler]: in my financially
558
00:15:03,480 –> 00:15:03,662
[david_macchia]: yeah
559
00:15:05,727 –> 00:15:06,147
[paul_tyler]: aware
560
00:15:07,842 –> 00:15:08,243
[david_macchia]: well i think
561
00:15:08,276 –> 00:15:08,296
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
562
00:15:08,283 –> 00:15:08,964
[david_macchia]: of it as confident
563
00:15:09,140 –> 00:15:09,302
[paul_tyler]: yeah
564
00:15:09,805 –> 00:15:10,066
[david_macchia]: i mean if
565
00:15:10,175 –> 00:15:10,195
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
566
00:15:10,286 –> 00:15:12,009
[david_macchia]: we can make people financially confident
567
00:15:12,055 –> 00:15:12,598
[ramsey_d_smith]: it’s a good word
568
00:15:12,950 –> 00:15:13,830
[paul_tyler]: yeah
569
00:15:13,220 –> 00:15:14,544
[david_macchia]: that’s that’s that’s
570
00:15:14,517 –> 00:15:14,660
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
571
00:15:14,625 –> 00:15:15,468
[david_macchia]: a real accomplishment
572
00:15:15,650 –> 00:15:18,317
[paul_tyler]: natural clinfrence although sometimes you can’t use
confrentwen should be
573
00:15:20,141 –> 00:15:24,350
[david_macchia]: perhaps yeah but i think if you
were to somehow pull people and so you
574
00:15:24,470 –> 00:15:25,893
[david_macchia]: really confident about finances
575
00:15:25,582 –> 00:15:25,804
[paul_tyler]: right
576
00:15:26,154 –> 00:15:26,895
[david_macchia]: i think a lot of people
577
00:15:26,850 –> 00:15:27,320
[paul_tyler]: oh
578
00:15:26,935 –> 00:15:27,076
[david_macchia]: would
579
00:15:27,014 –> 00:15:27,035
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
580
00:15:27,116 –> 00:15:27,396
[david_macchia]: say no
581
00:15:28,214 –> 00:15:29,915
[ramsey_d_smith]: m yah
582
00:15:28,310 –> 00:15:31,494
[paul_tyler]: yeah we got we should we got
to come up with a word for this
583
00:15:32,074 –> 00:15:33,436
[paul_tyler]: ramsey we’ve got it right
584
00:15:33,908 –> 00:15:34,068
[ramsey_d_smith]: but i
585
00:15:34,080 –> 00:15:34,361
[david_macchia]: yeah
586
00:15:34,168 –> 00:15:38,375
[ramsey_d_smith]: like i like things around like attitude
and confidence i like things that are described
587
00:15:38,415 –> 00:15:39,076
[ramsey_d_smith]: behaviorly
588
00:15:40,050 –> 00:15:40,251
[paul_tyler]: oh
589
00:15:40,058 –> 00:15:40,218
[ramsey_d_smith]: right
590
00:15:40,176 –> 00:15:40,770
[david_macchia]: hm
591
00:15:40,438 –> 00:15:41,881
[ramsey_d_smith]: just because i think it’s
592
00:15:42,030 –> 00:15:42,630
[paul_tyler]: yeah
593
00:15:42,802 –> 00:15:46,829
[ramsey_d_smith]: i think it’s i think it’s an
going process and an attitude is opposed to
594
00:15:47,230 –> 00:15:49,253
[ramsey_d_smith]: you know i got i got the
diploma
595
00:15:49,290 –> 00:15:49,552
[paul_tyler]: oh
596
00:15:49,754 –> 00:15:50,656
[ramsey_d_smith]: and now it all works
597
00:15:51,050 –> 00:15:51,232
[paul_tyler]: yeah
598
00:15:51,216 –> 00:15:54,662
[ramsey_d_smith]: right it’s it’s discipline right like it’s
599
00:15:54,911 –> 00:15:56,737
[paul_tyler]: he
600
00:15:55,464 –> 00:15:59,450
[ramsey_d_smith]: t’s up quote harry stout is like
it’s it’s eating brocoli you know when you
601
00:15:59,490 –> 00:16:00,151
[ramsey_d_smith]: want to eat doughnuts
602
00:16:01,000 –> 00:16:01,161
[david_macchia]: yeah
603
00:16:01,253 –> 00:16:01,714
[ramsey_d_smith]: i’m loosely
604
00:16:01,948 –> 00:16:02,110
[david_macchia]: yeah
605
00:16:02,215 –> 00:16:06,642
[ramsey_d_smith]: i’m loosely i’m loosely i’m loosely paraphrasing
him but but that’s the idea
606
00:16:06,600 –> 00:16:06,843
[paul_tyler]: oh
607
00:16:06,722 –> 00:16:09,991
[ramsey_d_smith]: it’s like it’s behave pieces are really
very important
608
00:16:10,230 –> 00:16:10,515
[paul_tyler]: oh
609
00:16:10,551 –> 00:16:11,416
[david_macchia]: yeah huge
610
00:16:11,590 –> 00:16:12,571
[paul_tyler]: so okay david
611
00:16:12,390 –> 00:16:12,410
[david_macchia]: m
612
00:16:12,591 –> 00:16:13,552
[paul_tyler]: you’ve been out about
613
00:16:14,139 –> 00:16:14,160
[david_macchia]: m
614
00:16:14,514 –> 00:16:20,122
[paul_tyler]: maybe we talked about just the industry
as a whole so i mean what’s happening
615
00:16:20,503 –> 00:16:22,389
[paul_tyler]: wow every time i open
616
00:16:22,434 –> 00:16:22,474
[david_macchia]: m
617
00:16:22,629 –> 00:16:23,311
[paul_tyler]: the new site
618
00:16:23,525 –> 00:16:24,455
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
619
00:16:24,134 –> 00:16:24,756
[paul_tyler]: the environment
620
00:16:24,459 –> 00:16:24,684
[david_macchia]: m oh
621
00:16:24,796 –> 00:16:25,538
[paul_tyler]: has changed
622
00:16:27,035 –> 00:16:27,317
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
623
00:16:27,763 –> 00:16:28,123
[david_macchia]: so much
624
00:16:28,980 –> 00:16:29,240
[paul_tyler]: yeah
625
00:16:29,193 –> 00:16:29,375
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
626
00:16:29,305 –> 00:16:29,465
[david_macchia]: well
627
00:16:29,585 –> 00:16:29,867
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
628
00:16:29,726 –> 00:16:33,652
[david_macchia]: i think we were on the other
side of a fourteen year bull
629
00:16:33,494 –> 00:16:33,515
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
630
00:16:33,733 –> 00:16:34,093
[david_macchia]: market
631
00:16:34,260 –> 00:16:35,149
[paul_tyler]: yea
632
00:16:34,734 –> 00:16:34,914
[david_macchia]: that
633
00:16:34,805 –> 00:16:36,785
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
634
00:16:35,335 –> 00:16:40,223
[david_macchia]: essentially was engineered to be a bull
market physical policy unprecedented
635
00:16:39,999 –> 00:16:40,020
[paul_tyler]: m
636
00:16:40,263 –> 00:16:42,407
[david_macchia]: levels of physical policy stimulus and
637
00:16:42,635 –> 00:16:43,775
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
638
00:16:43,308 –> 00:16:45,192
[david_macchia]: and the creation of nine trillion
639
00:16:45,187 –> 00:16:45,208
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
640
00:16:45,252 –> 00:16:47,836
[david_macchia]: dollars by the federal reserve which drove
641
00:16:47,675 –> 00:16:47,958
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
642
00:16:47,956 –> 00:16:50,962
[david_macchia]: acid prices you know the stratispheric low
s and
643
00:16:51,005 –> 00:16:51,288
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
644
00:16:51,022 –> 00:16:54,589
[david_macchia]: i think we’re seeing the other side
of you know the inevitable counter than that
645
00:16:54,769 –> 00:16:54,870
[david_macchia]: now
646
00:16:55,873 –> 00:16:55,955
[paul_tyler]: ah
647
00:16:55,932 –> 00:16:58,978
[david_macchia]: i write about an index called the
wealth to income ratio
648
00:16:59,490 –> 00:16:59,692
[paul_tyler]: yeah
649
00:17:00,330 –> 00:17:01,151
[david_macchia]: and if
650
00:17:01,128 –> 00:17:01,230
[paul_tyler]: yeah
651
00:17:01,191 –> 00:17:02,473
[david_macchia]: you look at that so this is
a
652
00:17:02,465 –> 00:17:02,689
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
653
00:17:02,713 –> 00:17:08,792
[david_macchia]: federal reserve published index that’s been out
for sixty eight years in over sixty
654
00:17:08,550 –> 00:17:08,791
[paul_tyler]: oh
655
00:17:08,555 –> 00:17:08,737
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
656
00:17:08,852 –> 00:17:09,653
[david_macchia]: eight years it has a
657
00:17:09,873 –> 00:17:10,257
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah yeah
658
00:17:10,475 –> 00:17:12,559
[david_macchia]: long term average of five hundred and
fifty per cent
659
00:17:12,635 –> 00:17:13,595
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
660
00:17:13,660 –> 00:17:18,175
[david_macchia]: and occasionally it pops up to you
know high new heights well it did so
661
00:17:18,256 –> 00:17:21,621
[david_macchia]: in two thousand just before the tech
crash it went up to i think
662
00:17:21,524 –> 00:17:21,545
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
663
00:17:21,722 –> 00:17:25,745
[david_macchia]: six hundred and fifteen and then in
september of two
664
00:17:25,740 –> 00:17:25,961
[paul_tyler]: yeah
665
00:17:25,805 –> 00:17:26,526
[david_macchia]: thousand seven
666
00:17:27,189 –> 00:17:27,330
[paul_tyler]: yeah
667
00:17:27,247 –> 00:17:27,607
[david_macchia]: it rose
668
00:17:27,545 –> 00:17:28,385
[ramsey_d_smith]: yah
669
00:17:27,687 –> 00:17:32,253
[david_macchia]: to an all time high of six
hundred seventy only to result a few months
670
00:17:32,333 –> 00:17:36,892
[david_macchia]: later in the crash of two thousand
eight right back to its long term average
671
00:17:36,695 –> 00:17:36,955
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
672
00:17:37,353 –> 00:17:41,460
[david_macchia]: right it did that after two thousand
do that after two thousand eight well what’s
673
00:17:41,500 –> 00:17:46,488
[david_macchia]: happened since you know this bull market
has brought the index up to eight hundred
674
00:17:46,528 –> 00:17:48,593
[david_macchia]: and eighteen that’s literally off the charts
675
00:17:48,960 –> 00:17:51,090
[paul_tyler]: yeah
676
00:17:49,194 –> 00:17:53,253
[david_macchia]: and what we’ve seen is some falling
back i wrote an article which is the
677
00:17:53,413 –> 00:17:55,657
[david_macchia]: advisor perspectives dot com
678
00:17:55,470 –> 00:17:55,692
[paul_tyler]: yeah
679
00:17:55,505 –> 00:17:55,767
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
680
00:17:56,598 –> 00:17:57,520
[david_macchia]: saying that prepared for
681
00:17:57,585 –> 00:17:57,705
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
682
00:17:58,021 –> 00:18:01,767
[david_macchia]: for the destruction of thirty four trillion
dollars in wealth assets
683
00:18:02,045 –> 00:18:03,035
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
684
00:18:02,729 –> 00:18:04,391
[david_macchia]: in that simple
685
00:18:04,625 –> 00:18:04,645
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
686
00:18:04,772 –> 00:18:08,939
[david_macchia]: because when the index comes back down
again to its long term average
687
00:18:08,864 –> 00:18:08,885
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
688
00:18:08,979 –> 00:18:10,221
[david_macchia]: it’s going to be totally
689
00:18:10,120 –> 00:18:10,181
[ramsey_d_smith]: ah
690
00:18:10,441 –> 00:18:15,109
[david_macchia]: destroying fifty trillion dollars so sixteen traliumhas
already been destroyed from
691
00:18:15,030 –> 00:18:15,333
[paul_tyler]: oh
692
00:18:15,149 –> 00:18:18,074
[david_macchia]: the actions we’ve had earlier this year
if we go back to the long term
693
00:18:18,114 –> 00:18:19,156
[david_macchia]: maria be a total of fifty
694
00:18:19,230 –> 00:18:20,358
[paul_tyler]: yes
695
00:18:19,236 –> 00:18:21,560
[david_macchia]: trillion dollars that’s destroyed so what
696
00:18:21,600 –> 00:18:21,900
[paul_tyler]: oh
697
00:18:21,600 –> 00:18:23,964
[david_macchia]: does that mean well i think it’s
going
698
00:18:23,975 –> 00:18:24,256
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
699
00:18:23,984 –> 00:18:26,648
[david_macchia]: to bring things more into balance you
know it’s going
700
00:18:26,585 –> 00:18:26,889
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
701
00:18:26,689 –> 00:18:29,461
[david_macchia]: to be brilliantly attractive
702
00:18:29,199 –> 00:18:29,220
[paul_tyler]: m
703
00:18:29,501 –> 00:18:30,607
[david_macchia]: for the annuity business
704
00:18:31,424 –> 00:18:31,445
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
705
00:18:31,590 –> 00:18:32,692
[david_macchia]: we’re already seeing you know
706
00:18:32,652 –> 00:18:33,038
[paul_tyler]: of course
707
00:18:32,932 –> 00:18:37,720
[david_macchia]: assets move into annuities the mica business
is very very robust as you know the
708
00:18:37,780 –> 00:18:38,702
[david_macchia]: indexanuity business
709
00:18:38,765 –> 00:18:39,047
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
710
00:18:38,782 –> 00:18:40,725
[david_macchia]: is very robust people
711
00:18:40,934 –> 00:18:40,955
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
712
00:18:41,146 –> 00:18:43,009
[david_macchia]: seeking safety i tell
713
00:18:42,905 –> 00:18:42,925
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
714
00:18:43,069 –> 00:18:46,620
[david_macchia]: it as there’s you know those of
you who believe in safety believe in protection
715
00:18:46,761 –> 00:18:47,704
[david_macchia]: believe and guaranteed
716
00:18:47,564 –> 00:18:47,916
[ramsey_d_smith]: m oh
717
00:18:47,784 –> 00:18:48,727
[david_macchia]: income your day has come
718
00:18:49,284 –> 00:18:49,424
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
719
00:18:49,830 –> 00:18:50,250
[david_macchia]: and i think
720
00:18:50,135 –> 00:18:51,425
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
721
00:18:50,330 –> 00:18:54,895
[david_macchia]: it’s it’s likely to remain this way
for for some time so the outlook for
722
00:18:54,935 –> 00:18:56,796
[david_macchia]: annuity sales i think you know
723
00:18:56,818 –> 00:18:56,899
[ramsey_d_smith]: ah
724
00:18:56,996 –> 00:18:59,379
[david_macchia]: given everything that’s happening is it is
very very positive
725
00:19:00,611 –> 00:19:01,292
[paul_tyler]: yeah it’s
726
00:19:01,295 –> 00:19:01,925
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
727
00:19:02,213 –> 00:19:02,814
[paul_tyler]: it’s interesting now
728
00:19:02,760 –> 00:19:02,780
[david_macchia]: m
729
00:19:03,035 –> 00:19:05,018
[paul_tyler]: as of the recording dat
730
00:19:04,860 –> 00:19:05,081
[david_macchia]: oh
731
00:19:05,459 –> 00:19:07,402
[paul_tyler]: okay we just know the c p
i came
732
00:19:07,325 –> 00:19:07,345
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
733
00:19:07,482 –> 00:19:08,363
[paul_tyler]: out lations higher
734
00:19:09,875 –> 00:19:10,176
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
735
00:19:09,946 –> 00:19:14,814
[paul_tyler]: market went down rates short term rites
i guess even in your treasury
736
00:19:15,270 –> 00:19:15,513
[david_macchia]: oh
737
00:19:15,576 –> 00:19:19,863
[paul_tyler]: went higher but it’s still an inverted
yield curve and ramsey
738
00:19:19,680 –> 00:19:19,700
[david_macchia]: m
739
00:19:19,883 –> 00:19:25,598
[paul_tyler]: whatever we saw happened with mica i
mean it if i’m not sure or you
740
00:19:25,618 –> 00:19:26,443
[paul_tyler]: think this is going
741
00:19:26,700 –> 00:19:26,720
[david_macchia]: m
742
00:19:27,663 –> 00:19:29,145
[ramsey_d_smith]: in terms of in terms of rates
743
00:19:29,391 –> 00:19:30,092
[paul_tyler]: rats yeah
744
00:19:30,367 –> 00:19:31,209
[ramsey_d_smith]: i mean rates have gone
745
00:19:31,221 –> 00:19:31,241
[david_macchia]: a
746
00:19:31,269 –> 00:19:33,933
[ramsey_d_smith]: up a lot so they’re definitely much
more attractive
747
00:19:33,690 –> 00:19:34,053
[david_macchia]: yes
748
00:19:34,013 –> 00:19:39,262
[ramsey_d_smith]: and they’re getting much deserved visibility on
the back of that you know
749
00:19:39,270 –> 00:19:39,472
[paul_tyler]: oh
750
00:19:41,145 –> 00:19:41,386
[ramsey_d_smith]: i look
751
00:19:41,290 –> 00:19:41,452
[paul_tyler]: look
752
00:19:41,426 –> 00:19:44,771
[ramsey_d_smith]: at it i still wonder if if
the investments that back
753
00:19:44,610 –> 00:19:45,154
[david_macchia]: oh
754
00:19:44,831 –> 00:19:46,655
[ramsey_d_smith]: them you know how they match up
with it
755
00:19:46,740 –> 00:19:47,245
[david_macchia]: oh
756
00:19:46,895 –> 00:19:50,301
[ramsey_d_smith]: so sing you know in the high
end sometimes but for sure
757
00:19:50,340 –> 00:19:51,810
[paul_tyler]: yeah
758
00:19:51,262 –> 00:19:55,449
[ramsey_d_smith]: for sure rates are higher they should
be higher and and more and
759
00:19:55,380 –> 00:19:55,641
[david_macchia]: oh
760
00:19:55,489 –> 00:19:55,870
[ramsey_d_smith]: more people
761
00:19:55,710 –> 00:19:56,310
[paul_tyler]: yeah
762
00:19:55,910 –> 00:19:58,094
[ramsey_d_smith]: should be looking at them as a
really attractive
763
00:19:57,810 –> 00:19:57,830
[david_macchia]: m
764
00:19:58,154 –> 00:19:58,614
[ramsey_d_smith]: alternative
765
00:19:58,770 –> 00:19:58,990
[paul_tyler]: yeah
766
00:19:58,775 –> 00:20:00,761
[ramsey_d_smith]: c d is which is really the
best way to think about
767
00:20:00,677 –> 00:20:00,918
[paul_tyler]: pop
768
00:20:00,801 –> 00:20:01,343
[ramsey_d_smith]: them in my view
769
00:20:01,811 –> 00:20:01,971
[paul_tyler]: yes
770
00:20:02,381 –> 00:20:04,348
[david_macchia]: i agree with that in bonds to
some extent
771
00:20:04,345 –> 00:20:05,167
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah and bonton
772
00:20:05,301 –> 00:20:06,052
[david_macchia]: yep yep
773
00:20:06,584 –> 00:20:08,547
[paul_tyler]: right we’ll just say from from a
care perspective
774
00:20:08,640 –> 00:20:08,881
[david_macchia]: oh
775
00:20:08,708 –> 00:20:08,848
[paul_tyler]: like
776
00:20:08,945 –> 00:20:09,186
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
777
00:20:09,269 –> 00:20:11,813
[paul_tyler]: we target these migrates okay we’re not
on to be the best
778
00:20:11,945 –> 00:20:12,248
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
779
00:20:11,993 –> 00:20:13,976
[paul_tyler]: one we’re gonna try to go to
number
780
00:20:14,015 –> 00:20:14,975
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
781
00:20:14,097 –> 00:20:18,487
[paul_tyler]: two we’ve done that certain months and
you know by the time
782
00:20:18,224 –> 00:20:18,245
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
783
00:20:18,390 –> 00:20:18,410
[david_macchia]: m
784
00:20:19,730 –> 00:20:21,573
[paul_tyler]: you know it takes time once you
decide
785
00:20:21,558 –> 00:20:21,640
[ramsey_d_smith]: ah
786
00:20:21,894 –> 00:20:26,661
[paul_tyler]: set their rates and go and change
the systems put it out you’re talking about
787
00:20:26,722 –> 00:20:30,067
[paul_tyler]: a seven eight day lag but the
time we get there okay we’re now number
788
00:20:30,167 –> 00:20:31,269
[paul_tyler]: four number five number
789
00:20:31,320 –> 00:20:31,340
[david_macchia]: m
790
00:20:31,349 –> 00:20:31,449
[paul_tyler]: six
791
00:20:31,655 –> 00:20:31,675
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
792
00:20:32,631 –> 00:20:33,693
[paul_tyler]: it’s been a real it’s
793
00:20:33,699 –> 00:20:33,720
[david_macchia]: m
794
00:20:33,733 –> 00:20:37,459
[paul_tyler]: an arms race on the migetfront which
has been good for
795
00:20:37,634 –> 00:20:37,655
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
796
00:20:37,720 –> 00:20:40,665
[paul_tyler]: i think good for consumer as good
probably not great
797
00:20:40,550 –> 00:20:40,773
[david_macchia]: yes
798
00:20:40,964 –> 00:20:40,985
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
799
00:20:41,727 –> 00:20:42,147
[paul_tyler]: would be great
800
00:20:42,180 –> 00:20:42,423
[david_macchia]: oh
801
00:20:42,187 –> 00:20:43,470
[paul_tyler]: if we didn’t have inflation david
802
00:20:43,535 –> 00:20:43,555
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
803
00:20:43,952 –> 00:20:44,475
[paul_tyler]: all right
804
00:20:45,905 –> 00:20:46,186
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
805
00:20:46,112 –> 00:20:47,695
[david_macchia]: well the real returns are still negative
806
00:20:47,900 –> 00:20:48,041
[paul_tyler]: yeah
807
00:20:47,945 –> 00:20:47,965
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
808
00:20:48,476 –> 00:20:51,001
[david_macchia]: you know because the inflation is so
high and you know
809
00:20:51,605 –> 00:20:51,810
[ramsey_d_smith]: ye
810
00:20:52,223 –> 00:20:53,545
[david_macchia]: the other side of inflation is
811
00:20:53,477 –> 00:20:53,498
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
812
00:20:53,605 –> 00:20:55,388
[david_macchia]: that the way we think about
813
00:20:55,325 –> 00:20:55,566
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
814
00:20:55,468 –> 00:20:58,331
[david_macchia]: inflation today it’s not the way we
thought about it say in the eighties or
815
00:20:58,385 –> 00:20:58,985
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
816
00:20:58,411 –> 00:20:59,993
[david_macchia]: nineties because if you
817
00:21:00,030 –> 00:21:00,213
[paul_tyler]: yeah
818
00:21:00,073 –> 00:21:01,875
[david_macchia]: go back and you use that methodology
819
00:21:01,350 –> 00:21:02,648
[paul_tyler]: yeah
820
00:21:01,935 –> 00:21:03,476
[david_macchia]: of how inflation was calculated
821
00:21:02,880 –> 00:21:03,870
[paul_tyler]: yeah
822
00:21:03,576 –> 00:21:03,776
[david_macchia]: then
823
00:21:04,235 –> 00:21:04,476
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
824
00:21:04,577 –> 00:21:08,382
[david_macchia]: the inflation rate today is really seventeen
per cent you can see this at the
825
00:21:08,422 –> 00:21:12,068
[david_macchia]: website called shadow government statistics dot com
what really under
826
00:21:12,150 –> 00:21:12,414
[paul_tyler]: oh
827
00:21:12,368 –> 00:21:15,894
[david_macchia]: under playing how deep inflation is becoming
and if you if you walked into a
828
00:21:15,934 –> 00:21:16,515
[david_macchia]: super market
829
00:21:16,551 –> 00:21:16,652
[paul_tyler]: oh
830
00:21:16,575 –> 00:21:19,099
[david_macchia]: you know lately you know that’s true
the price
831
00:21:18,995 –> 00:21:19,297
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
832
00:21:19,280 –> 00:21:21,574
[david_macchia]: and certain things are just you know
sky rocketed
833
00:21:21,660 –> 00:21:21,801
[paul_tyler]: yeah
834
00:21:21,765 –> 00:21:25,653
[ramsey_d_smith]: remember what some of the key differences
are or what were were there any there
835
00:21:25,693 –> 00:21:29,482
[ramsey_d_smith]: one or two things that oft stood
out to explain that that big difference in
836
00:21:29,542 –> 00:21:29,943
[ramsey_d_smith]: measurement
837
00:21:30,984 –> 00:21:31,164
[david_macchia]: yeah
838
00:21:31,680 –> 00:21:31,921
[paul_tyler]: yah
839
00:21:31,926 –> 00:21:33,088
[david_macchia]: i don’t know specifically remember
840
00:21:32,876 –> 00:21:33,017
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
841
00:21:33,168 –> 00:21:33,528
[david_macchia]: except to
842
00:21:33,589 –> 00:21:33,669
[paul_tyler]: ah
843
00:21:33,609 –> 00:21:36,033
[david_macchia]: say that in the calculation of the
c p i
844
00:21:36,350 –> 00:21:37,205
[ramsey_d_smith]: hm
845
00:21:36,814 –> 00:21:37,535
[david_macchia]: the waiting of
846
00:21:37,595 –> 00:21:37,876
[ramsey_d_smith]: yah
847
00:21:37,595 –> 00:21:39,118
[david_macchia]: certain factors and the inclusion of
848
00:21:39,083 –> 00:21:39,264
[ramsey_d_smith]: yah
849
00:21:39,198 –> 00:21:39,418
[david_macchia]: certain
850
00:21:39,435 –> 00:21:39,577
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
851
00:21:39,478 –> 00:21:40,059
[david_macchia]: factors or
852
00:21:40,505 –> 00:21:40,625
[ramsey_d_smith]: ye
853
00:21:40,861 –> 00:21:41,862
[david_macchia]: is where the difference is
854
00:21:41,996 –> 00:21:42,318
[ramsey_d_smith]: got it
855
00:21:42,570 –> 00:21:42,731
[paul_tyler]: yeah
856
00:21:42,924 –> 00:21:44,747
[david_macchia]: and i think i think there was
a there was an
857
00:21:44,744 –> 00:21:45,785
[ramsey_d_smith]: m oh
858
00:21:44,887 –> 00:21:47,792
[david_macchia]: urgency change this because when social
859
00:21:47,534 –> 00:21:47,555
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
860
00:21:47,852 –> 00:21:49,194
[david_macchia]: security became inflation
861
00:21:49,235 –> 00:21:49,498
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
862
00:21:49,255 –> 00:21:51,919
[david_macchia]: adjusted imagine if we were inflation
863
00:21:51,897 –> 00:21:51,958
[ramsey_d_smith]: ah
864
00:21:51,979 –> 00:21:53,021
[david_macchia]: adjust social security
865
00:21:52,925 –> 00:21:52,945
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
866
00:21:53,061 –> 00:21:53,522
[david_macchia]: at seventeen
867
00:21:53,370 –> 00:21:53,677
[paul_tyler]: oh
868
00:21:53,602 –> 00:21:56,087
[david_macchia]: per cent you know that would that
would have some
869
00:21:56,220 –> 00:21:56,381
[paul_tyler]: yeah
870
00:21:56,495 –> 00:21:56,817
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
871
00:21:56,828 –> 00:21:58,571
[david_macchia]: significant ramifications in terms
872
00:21:58,355 –> 00:21:58,595
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
873
00:21:58,651 –> 00:22:00,455
[david_macchia]: of nations finances
874
00:22:00,600 –> 00:22:05,529
[paul_tyler]: right it’s you know inflation like inflation
is bad period i think the good news
875
00:22:05,569 –> 00:22:06,490
[paul_tyler]: is with our products and
876
00:22:06,515 –> 00:22:06,716
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
877
00:22:06,530 –> 00:22:08,614
[paul_tyler]: what we’re delivering for for consumers is
878
00:22:08,555 –> 00:22:08,777
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
879
00:22:08,714 –> 00:22:10,256
[paul_tyler]: it’s a good defensive play
880
00:22:10,119 –> 00:22:10,140
[david_macchia]: m
881
00:22:10,857 –> 00:22:12,460
[paul_tyler]: probably one of the best defensive play
if you’re
882
00:22:12,395 –> 00:22:13,325
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
883
00:22:12,500 –> 00:22:14,744
[paul_tyler]: on fixed income today so you know
my rates
884
00:22:14,537 –> 00:22:14,679
[ramsey_d_smith]: ah
885
00:22:15,285 –> 00:22:15,526
[paul_tyler]: the god
886
00:22:15,545 –> 00:22:15,565
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
887
00:22:15,987 –> 00:22:17,489
[paul_tyler]: like looks like word for another
888
00:22:17,285 –> 00:22:18,035
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
889
00:22:18,090 –> 00:22:20,375
[paul_tyler]: you know rise and rates here i
think
890
00:22:21,030 –> 00:22:21,050
[david_macchia]: m
891
00:22:21,136 –> 00:22:25,805
[paul_tyler]: you know david you know guaranteed income
will go up right because
892
00:22:26,615 –> 00:22:26,635
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
893
00:22:26,890 –> 00:22:28,873
[paul_tyler]: rates are going up cares can afford
to
894
00:22:29,075 –> 00:22:29,396
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
895
00:22:29,795 –> 00:22:31,918
[paul_tyler]: you know raise caps or participation rates
896
00:22:32,975 –> 00:22:33,358
[ramsey_d_smith]: ye
897
00:22:33,160 –> 00:22:33,601
[paul_tyler]: so i think
898
00:22:33,870 –> 00:22:33,890
[david_macchia]: m
899
00:22:34,042 –> 00:22:35,424
[paul_tyler]: from advisor perspective
900
00:22:35,204 –> 00:22:35,225
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
901
00:22:35,544 –> 00:22:40,054
[paul_tyler]: they’ll be able to deliver more value
on paper you know to clients up for
902
00:22:40,074 –> 00:22:40,155
[paul_tyler]: the
903
00:22:40,160 –> 00:22:40,300
[david_macchia]: think
904
00:22:40,175 –> 00:22:40,315
[paul_tyler]: next
905
00:22:40,380 –> 00:22:40,420
[david_macchia]: i
906
00:22:40,436 –> 00:22:40,596
[paul_tyler]: three
907
00:22:40,460 –> 00:22:40,621
[david_macchia]: think
908
00:22:40,636 –> 00:22:40,837
[paul_tyler]: months
909
00:22:40,661 –> 00:22:44,768
[david_macchia]: that’s true i think that’s true and
just just before we leave inflation
910
00:22:45,224 –> 00:22:45,595
[ramsey_d_smith]: m m
911
00:22:45,849 –> 00:22:45,970
[david_macchia]: is
912
00:22:46,410 –> 00:22:46,670
[paul_tyler]: oh
913
00:22:46,911 –> 00:22:48,374
[david_macchia]: i think the point should be made
it’s
914
00:22:48,275 –> 00:22:48,516
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
915
00:22:48,414 –> 00:22:51,659
[david_macchia]: a very cruel reality because
916
00:22:51,960 –> 00:22:52,121
[paul_tyler]: it
917
00:22:52,220 –> 00:22:53,081
[david_macchia]: it hurts people
918
00:22:52,955 –> 00:22:53,403
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
919
00:22:53,162 –> 00:22:57,949
[david_macchia]: on fixed incomes it hurts people with
low incomes so much higher so much harder
920
00:22:58,010 –> 00:23:02,076
[david_macchia]: than than it hurts other people just
the gas tank you know and food just
921
00:23:02,156 –> 00:23:05,142
[david_macchia]: just gas and food i rocketed so
much
922
00:23:05,135 –> 00:23:05,475
[ramsey_d_smith]: my
923
00:23:07,566 –> 00:23:09,970
[david_macchia]: i don’t know if what the fat
is doing is the right policy of the
924
00:23:10,010 –> 00:23:11,553
[david_macchia]: wrong policy honestly i wish i knew
925
00:23:11,705 –> 00:23:11,987
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
926
00:23:12,395 –> 00:23:13,937
[david_macchia]: but we have to get inflation
927
00:23:13,829 –> 00:23:14,010
[paul_tyler]: yeah
928
00:23:13,904 –> 00:23:13,925
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
929
00:23:13,998 –> 00:23:14,498
[david_macchia]: of the control
930
00:23:14,790 –> 00:23:14,890
[paul_tyler]: oh
931
00:23:15,310 –> 00:23:17,355
[david_macchia]: because it’s like it’s like a huge
extra tax
932
00:23:17,700 –> 00:23:18,630
[paul_tyler]: yeah
933
00:23:18,077 –> 00:23:22,488
[david_macchia]: on people that’s that’s just totally destructive
to their personal financial health
934
00:23:23,111 –> 00:23:23,512
[paul_tyler]: yeah now
935
00:23:23,495 –> 00:23:23,978
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
936
00:23:24,553 –> 00:23:25,395
[paul_tyler]: my perspective
937
00:23:25,525 –> 00:23:25,666
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
938
00:23:25,655 –> 00:23:25,875
[paul_tyler]: is
939
00:23:26,910 –> 00:23:27,990
[david_macchia]: yeah
940
00:23:26,917 –> 00:23:27,498
[paul_tyler]: it’s global
941
00:23:27,305 –> 00:23:28,385
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
942
00:23:27,658 –> 00:23:28,680
[paul_tyler]: i mean a lot of people you
943
00:23:28,625 –> 00:23:28,928
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
944
00:23:28,860 –> 00:23:34,730
[paul_tyler]: want to blame our administration you listen
politicians have some impact you know can make
945
00:23:34,790 –> 00:23:41,622
[paul_tyler]: it worse make you now hard to
say than like better but our ports i
946
00:23:41,682 –> 00:23:41,882
[paul_tyler]: mean
947
00:23:42,305 –> 00:23:42,565
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
948
00:23:42,744 –> 00:23:44,547
[paul_tyler]: this the supply chain problem is
949
00:23:44,854 –> 00:23:44,954
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
950
00:23:45,188 –> 00:23:46,189
[paul_tyler]: going to go away right
951
00:23:46,085 –> 00:23:46,326
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
952
00:23:46,790 –> 00:23:49,695
[paul_tyler]: if you look at the us if
you look at the efficiency of the us
953
00:23:49,815 –> 00:23:50,256
[paul_tyler]: ports
954
00:23:50,615 –> 00:23:50,736
[ramsey_d_smith]: ye
955
00:23:51,258 –> 00:23:55,505
[paul_tyler]: um we’re not like you know we
were not in sort of
956
00:23:55,484 –> 00:23:55,505
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
957
00:23:55,545 –> 00:23:59,572
[paul_tyler]: the top twenty to twenty five most
efficient and
958
00:23:59,915 –> 00:23:59,935
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
959
00:24:00,012 –> 00:24:05,031
[paul_tyler]: imports of goods coming in so we
got a real bottle neck that going to
960
00:24:05,091 –> 00:24:08,521
[paul_tyler]: take a long time to change if
we can easily change it right because
961
00:24:08,495 –> 00:24:08,835
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
962
00:24:09,043 –> 00:24:15,914
[paul_tyler]: ships come into california southern california you
can’t build rails and highways through expensive real
963
00:24:15,954 –> 00:24:17,416
[paul_tyler]: estate her california
964
00:24:17,615 –> 00:24:17,836
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
965
00:24:17,796 –> 00:24:18,717
[paul_tyler]: to get goods out quicker
966
00:24:20,080 –> 00:24:20,561
[david_macchia]: that’s true
967
00:24:20,705 –> 00:24:20,725
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
968
00:24:20,982 –> 00:24:24,910
[david_macchia]: and i think one area though the
gummy can make a difference for good or
969
00:24:24,970 –> 00:24:28,638
[david_macchia]: bad is that i think we’ve had
a lot of increased regulation lately
970
00:24:28,835 –> 00:24:29,177
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
971
00:24:29,470 –> 00:24:34,780
[david_macchia]: which has had a detrimental impact on
the supply chain but you’re right it’s a
972
00:24:34,840 –> 00:24:36,523
[david_macchia]: really complex set of problems
973
00:24:36,261 –> 00:24:36,642
[paul_tyler]: well you know
974
00:24:36,766 –> 00:24:36,926
[ramsey_d_smith]: well
975
00:24:36,964 –> 00:24:37,425
[david_macchia]: it’s really
976
00:24:37,464 –> 00:24:37,605
[paul_tyler]: yeah
977
00:24:37,525 –> 00:24:37,846
[david_macchia]: come
978
00:24:37,925 –> 00:24:38,186
[paul_tyler]: brands
979
00:24:38,609 –> 00:24:40,392
[ramsey_d_smith]: i was i was just going to
say that i’m gonna i’m gonna
980
00:24:40,380 –> 00:24:40,662
[paul_tyler]: yeah
981
00:24:40,452 –> 00:24:43,257
[ramsey_d_smith]: hark back to something that i
982
00:24:43,260 –> 00:24:43,543
[paul_tyler]: oh
983
00:24:43,297 –> 00:24:43,717
[ramsey_d_smith]: don’t know if you
984
00:24:43,950 –> 00:24:44,254
[david_macchia]: oh
985
00:24:44,038 –> 00:24:45,941
[ramsey_d_smith]: if you said it in the in
the pre show or
986
00:24:46,290 –> 00:24:46,512
[david_macchia]: oh
987
00:24:46,562 –> 00:24:50,168
[ramsey_d_smith]: we were talking about travel and you
talk the fragility the fragility of
988
00:24:50,550 –> 00:24:50,570
[david_macchia]: m
989
00:24:50,849 –> 00:24:52,873
[ramsey_d_smith]: the air transport system and so we’re
990
00:24:52,840 –> 00:24:53,004
[david_macchia]: yep
991
00:24:52,953 –> 00:24:53,333
[ramsey_d_smith]: seeing that
992
00:24:53,250 –> 00:24:53,410
[paul_tyler]: yeah
993
00:24:53,394 –> 00:24:57,661
[ramsey_d_smith]: same kind of fragility and a supply
chain that was sending things just in time
994
00:24:57,721 –> 00:24:59,924
[ramsey_d_smith]: from somewhere in the far east you
know
995
00:25:00,020 –> 00:25:00,221
[david_macchia]: right
996
00:25:00,085 –> 00:25:00,465
[ramsey_d_smith]: your kitchen
997
00:25:00,409 –> 00:25:00,510
[paul_tyler]: yeah
998
00:25:00,566 –> 00:25:02,729
[ramsey_d_smith]: table in a in a remarkably
999
00:25:02,730 –> 00:25:02,750
[david_macchia]: m
1000
00:25:02,769 –> 00:25:03,390
[ramsey_d_smith]: efficient way
1001
00:25:03,900 –> 00:25:05,460
[paul_tyler]: yeah
1002
00:25:04,592 –> 00:25:08,078
[ramsey_d_smith]: my sense paul to your point is
that ultimately the
1003
00:25:08,070 –> 00:25:08,330
[paul_tyler]: oh
1004
00:25:08,138 –> 00:25:08,799
[ramsey_d_smith]: solution to
1005
00:25:08,700 –> 00:25:09,480
[david_macchia]: oh
1006
00:25:09,961 –> 00:25:12,225
[ramsey_d_smith]: supply chain problems that are that are
glow bill
1007
00:25:12,185 –> 00:25:12,226
[paul_tyler]: a
1008
00:25:12,445 –> 00:25:13,407
[ramsey_d_smith]: is to deglobalize
1009
00:25:13,312 –> 00:25:13,800
[paul_tyler]: right
1010
00:25:13,447 –> 00:25:15,010
[ramsey_d_smith]: them so it seems like both
1011
00:25:15,090 –> 00:25:15,350
[paul_tyler]: oh
1012
00:25:15,090 –> 00:25:18,556
[ramsey_d_smith]: politically and economically you know we’re probably
headed towards some degree
1013
00:25:18,579 –> 00:25:18,739
[paul_tyler]: yeah
1014
00:25:18,616 –> 00:25:19,958
[ramsey_d_smith]: of deglobalization
1015
00:25:19,680 –> 00:25:19,700
[david_macchia]: m
1016
00:25:19,774 –> 00:25:19,856
[paul_tyler]: ah
1017
00:25:20,138 –> 00:25:23,263
[ramsey_d_smith]: that’s going to take time that will
actually also be inflation ary here in the
1018
00:25:23,343 –> 00:25:24,785
[ramsey_d_smith]: u s probably
1019
00:25:25,010 –> 00:25:25,491
[david_macchia]: absolutely
1020
00:25:25,466 –> 00:25:26,107
[ramsey_d_smith]: going forward
1021
00:25:26,112 –> 00:25:26,193
[paul_tyler]: ah
1022
00:25:26,507 –> 00:25:30,171
[ramsey_d_smith]: but it’s hard to see it’s hard
to see given national security and all sorts
1023
00:25:30,191 –> 00:25:33,574
[ramsey_d_smith]: of other reasons why why wouldn’t why
we wouldn’t head in that direction
1024
00:25:33,710 –> 00:25:34,312
[paul_tyler]: well you know there’s
1025
00:25:34,200 –> 00:25:35,130
[david_macchia]: oh
1026
00:25:34,673 –> 00:25:36,278
[paul_tyler]: a there’s a big time element too
so
1027
00:25:36,425 –> 00:25:36,445
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
1028
00:25:36,739 –> 00:25:37,201
[paul_tyler]: you i’ve seen a
1029
00:25:37,235 –> 00:25:37,895
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
1030
00:25:37,261 –> 00:25:43,635
[paul_tyler]: lot of ship manufactures announced launching saying
chip plants
1031
00:25:43,715 –> 00:25:43,956
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
1032
00:25:43,876 –> 00:25:48,684
[paul_tyler]: outside china v i think i read
a few areas people go into different parts
1033
00:25:48,724 –> 00:25:50,647
[paul_tyler]: of south east age but david that
takes
1034
00:25:50,744 –> 00:25:50,765
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
1035
00:25:51,028 –> 00:25:51,969
[paul_tyler]: two years to get a
1036
00:25:51,965 –> 00:25:52,226
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
1037
00:25:52,029 –> 00:25:52,653
[paul_tyler]: play up and
1038
00:25:52,681 –> 00:25:52,761
[david_macchia]: oh
1039
00:25:52,693 –> 00:25:52,955
[paul_tyler]: running
1040
00:25:52,821 –> 00:25:53,883
[david_macchia]: yeah and and
1041
00:25:54,035 –> 00:25:54,685
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
1042
00:25:54,063 –> 00:25:58,971
[david_macchia]: and also in the u s building
more chip manufacturing here but you’re right ramsey
1043
00:25:59,072 –> 00:26:00,434
[david_macchia]: i think people underestimate
1044
00:26:00,300 –> 00:26:00,929
[paul_tyler]: ye
1045
00:26:00,514 –> 00:26:03,840
[david_macchia]: how massively deflationary globalization was
1046
00:26:04,140 –> 00:26:05,190
[paul_tyler]: oh
1047
00:26:05,482 –> 00:26:08,006
[david_macchia]: and any incremental change in that
1048
00:26:08,790 –> 00:26:09,010
[paul_tyler]: yeah
1049
00:26:09,048 –> 00:26:10,190
[david_macchia]: any bringing back the
1050
00:26:10,124 –> 00:26:10,145
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
1051
00:26:10,290 –> 00:26:11,693
[david_macchia]: manufacturing to our
1052
00:26:11,765 –> 00:26:11,785
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
1053
00:26:11,793 –> 00:26:13,435
[david_macchia]: shores is probably
1054
00:26:13,169 –> 00:26:13,350
[paul_tyler]: yeah
1055
00:26:13,516 –> 00:26:15,259
[david_macchia]: good for our national security
1056
00:26:15,014 –> 00:26:15,035
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
1057
00:26:15,319 –> 00:26:16,160
[david_macchia]: but will
1058
00:26:16,085 –> 00:26:16,226
[ramsey_d_smith]: ye
1059
00:26:16,221 –> 00:26:17,244
[david_macchia]: be you know
1060
00:26:17,225 –> 00:26:18,155
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
1061
00:26:17,745 –> 00:26:19,530
[david_macchia]: sort of boosting inflation
1062
00:26:19,214 –> 00:26:20,225
[ramsey_d_smith]: m yeah
1063
00:26:19,691 –> 00:26:21,195
[david_macchia]: boosting price increases generally
1064
00:26:21,110 –> 00:26:21,250
[paul_tyler]: well
1065
00:26:21,164 –> 00:26:21,185
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
1066
00:26:21,330 –> 00:26:21,490
[paul_tyler]: yeah
1067
00:26:21,416 –> 00:26:21,476
[david_macchia]: it
1068
00:26:21,446 –> 00:26:21,587
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
1069
00:26:21,536 –> 00:26:21,877
[david_macchia]: has to
1070
00:26:22,151 –> 00:26:22,472
[paul_tyler]: well yeah
1071
00:26:22,595 –> 00:26:22,935
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
1072
00:26:22,833 –> 00:26:27,721
[paul_tyler]: i would say i’d be more pointed
david it’s china was as much as we
1073
00:26:27,881 –> 00:26:28,081
[paul_tyler]: were
1074
00:26:28,080 –> 00:26:28,800
[david_macchia]: yeah
1075
00:26:28,722 –> 00:26:29,023
[paul_tyler]: concerned
1076
00:26:28,860 –> 00:26:29,002
[david_macchia]: yeah
1077
00:26:29,063 –> 00:26:35,233
[paul_tyler]: about losing jobs to china you know
china at a massive flationary effect on our
1078
00:26:35,674 –> 00:26:36,535
[paul_tyler]: economy right
1079
00:26:36,590 –> 00:26:37,496
[david_macchia]: eh
1080
00:26:37,196 –> 00:26:38,138
[paul_tyler]: cut the price of tables
1081
00:26:38,165 –> 00:26:38,365
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
1082
00:26:38,198 –> 00:26:42,125
[paul_tyler]: chairs you know everything stayed at a
reasonable price in china all of a sudden
1083
00:26:42,205 –> 00:26:42,866
[paul_tyler]: slows down
1084
00:26:43,385 –> 00:26:43,625
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
1085
00:26:43,607 –> 00:26:46,472
[paul_tyler]: they’ve got real estate problems they’ve had
they’ve been shut
1086
00:26:46,380 –> 00:26:46,602
[david_macchia]: oh
1087
00:26:46,512 –> 00:26:47,633
[paul_tyler]: down even more than we have
1088
00:26:47,814 –> 00:26:48,034
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
1089
00:26:48,054 –> 00:26:48,254
[paul_tyler]: for
1090
00:26:48,317 –> 00:26:48,540
[david_macchia]: yeah
1091
00:26:48,615 –> 00:26:49,516
[paul_tyler]: you know the pandemic
1092
00:26:50,555 –> 00:26:50,859
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
1093
00:26:50,658 –> 00:26:55,365
[paul_tyler]: um and there’s a limit to how
you know they can’t cut prices anymore so
1094
00:26:55,274 –> 00:26:55,295
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
1095
00:26:55,425 –> 00:26:59,112
[paul_tyler]: tally where it feels like we’re in
a storm that’s going to last
1096
00:26:59,096 –> 00:26:59,218
[ramsey_d_smith]: ah
1097
00:26:59,672 –> 00:27:00,534
[paul_tyler]: unfortunately for a few
1098
00:27:00,425 –> 00:27:00,666
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
1099
00:27:00,614 –> 00:27:00,874
[paul_tyler]: years
1100
00:27:03,441 –> 00:27:04,022
[david_macchia]: i think you’re right
1101
00:27:03,900 –> 00:27:04,161
[paul_tyler]: yeah
1102
00:27:04,445 –> 00:27:04,767
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
1103
00:27:04,603 –> 00:27:05,825
[david_macchia]: you know i wish i had an
answer
1104
00:27:05,889 –> 00:27:06,069
[paul_tyler]: yeah
1105
00:27:05,905 –> 00:27:07,047
[david_macchia]: to it but there’s no
1106
00:27:06,973 –> 00:27:07,096
[paul_tyler]: oh
1107
00:27:07,207 –> 00:27:07,688
[david_macchia]: easy answer
1108
00:27:07,565 –> 00:27:08,248
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
1109
00:27:07,748 –> 00:27:09,050
[david_macchia]: to it and how are
1110
00:27:09,000 –> 00:27:09,750
[paul_tyler]: oh
1111
00:27:09,070 –> 00:27:10,172
[david_macchia]: we going to generate economic
1112
00:27:09,941 –> 00:27:10,189
[paul_tyler]: okay
1113
00:27:09,995 –> 00:27:10,256
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
1114
00:27:10,232 –> 00:27:12,676
[david_macchia]: growth is another thing i mean you
know the fed
1115
00:27:12,750 –> 00:27:12,933
[paul_tyler]: yeah
1116
00:27:12,776 –> 00:27:13,858
[david_macchia]: can’t keep printing money
1117
00:27:14,071 –> 00:27:14,273
[paul_tyler]: right
1118
00:27:14,239 –> 00:27:14,659
[david_macchia]: there there
1119
00:27:14,525 –> 00:27:15,635
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
1120
00:27:14,940 –> 00:27:16,723
[david_macchia]: tighten the tightening they’re going the other
way
1121
00:27:17,525 –> 00:27:17,545
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
1122
00:27:17,684 –> 00:27:23,474
[david_macchia]: and you know since o eight before
o eight from from nineteen sixty eight when
1123
00:27:23,554 –> 00:27:27,501
[david_macchia]: when we got the legislation was passed
to get us off the goal standard right
1124
00:27:28,682 –> 00:27:29,484
[david_macchia]: up to two thousand
1125
00:27:29,490 –> 00:27:29,692
[paul_tyler]: yeah
1126
00:27:29,544 –> 00:27:30,766
[david_macchia]: eight economic
1127
00:27:30,660 –> 00:27:30,981
[paul_tyler]: oh
1128
00:27:30,846 –> 00:27:35,503
[david_macchia]: growth in this country was driven by
credit so we had one trillion of total
1129
00:27:35,563 –> 00:27:38,708
[david_macchia]: credit in the economy in nineteen sixty
eight by two thousand it we had ninety
1130
00:27:38,788 –> 00:27:40,992
[david_macchia]: times that we had ninety trillion that’s
1131
00:27:40,895 –> 00:27:42,125
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
1132
00:27:41,032 –> 00:27:42,214
[david_macchia]: what drove the economic
1133
00:27:42,185 –> 00:27:42,205
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
1134
00:27:42,274 –> 00:27:43,376
[david_macchia]: growth since
1135
00:27:43,544 –> 00:27:43,565
[ramsey_d_smith]: h
1136
00:27:43,556 –> 00:27:43,596
[david_macchia]: o
1137
00:27:43,560 –> 00:27:43,763
[paul_tyler]: yeah
1138
00:27:43,776 –> 00:27:44,958
[david_macchia]: eight credit growth
1139
00:27:44,820 –> 00:27:45,063
[paul_tyler]: oh
1140
00:27:45,019 –> 00:27:45,419
[david_macchia]: slowed
1141
00:27:45,524 –> 00:27:45,545
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
1142
00:27:45,840 –> 00:27:46,761
[david_macchia]: so the government stepped
1143
00:27:46,724 –> 00:27:46,745
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
1144
00:27:46,842 –> 00:27:48,464
[david_macchia]: in with massive physical stimulus
1145
00:27:48,227 –> 00:27:48,288
[ramsey_d_smith]: ah
1146
00:27:48,544 –> 00:27:50,027
[david_macchia]: and federal reserve stepped in with
1147
00:27:49,964 –> 00:27:49,985
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
1148
00:27:50,167 –> 00:27:53,332
[david_macchia]: you know this huge money printing thing
that can’t
1149
00:27:53,165 –> 00:27:53,467
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
1150
00:27:53,713 –> 00:27:56,418
[david_macchia]: keep going so i’m not sure what
happens
1151
00:27:56,405 –> 00:27:56,646
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
1152
00:27:56,498 –> 00:27:57,579
[david_macchia]: next to generate
1153
00:27:57,330 –> 00:27:58,260
[paul_tyler]: yeah
1154
00:27:57,660 –> 00:27:59,962
[david_macchia]: economic growth especially under these conditions
1155
00:27:59,675 –> 00:27:59,896
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
1156
00:28:00,763 –> 00:28:02,625
[david_macchia]: and i think we’re seeing that reality
reflected
1157
00:28:02,465 –> 00:28:03,485
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
1158
00:28:02,705 –> 00:28:04,987
[david_macchia]: an asset price is starting to you
now come back to the
1159
00:28:05,384 –> 00:28:05,405
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
1160
00:28:05,988 –> 00:28:06,729
[david_macchia]: more normal level
1161
00:28:07,396 –> 00:28:09,119
[ramsey_d_smith]: well that’s that’s the thin that’s been
interesting you know
1162
00:28:09,840 –> 00:28:10,042
[paul_tyler]: yeah
1163
00:28:10,461 –> 00:28:12,064
[ramsey_d_smith]: a lot of the push back on
on
1164
00:28:12,510 –> 00:28:12,851
[david_macchia]: oh
1165
00:28:12,885 –> 00:28:17,573
[ramsey_d_smith]: on annuities has been you know around
inflation protection and people say he put more
1166
00:28:17,613 –> 00:28:20,938
[ramsey_d_smith]: money in equities in like i spent
a whole career in equity so i understand
1167
00:28:20,999 –> 00:28:22,441
[ramsey_d_smith]: that i understand
1168
00:28:22,213 –> 00:28:22,800
[david_macchia]: hm
1169
00:28:23,220 –> 00:28:23,401
[paul_tyler]: yeah
1170
00:28:23,463 –> 00:28:27,069
[ramsey_d_smith]: the value proposition there i think i
think for many years it’s been very real
1171
00:28:28,170 –> 00:28:32,798
[ramsey_d_smith]: the challenge that we have now is
that you know pricing for companies is often
1172
00:28:32,898 –> 00:28:33,559
[ramsey_d_smith]: most prevalent
1173
00:28:33,812 –> 00:28:33,997
[paul_tyler]: yes
1174
00:28:33,980 –> 00:28:34,181
[ramsey_d_smith]: when
1175
00:28:34,479 –> 00:28:34,580
[david_macchia]: m m
1176
00:28:34,701 –> 00:28:37,847
[ramsey_d_smith]: you know when they have when when
they
1177
00:28:37,770 –> 00:28:37,790
[david_macchia]: m
1178
00:28:37,887 –> 00:28:38,768
[ramsey_d_smith]: have plenty of supply
1179
00:28:38,793 –> 00:28:38,814
[paul_tyler]: i
1180
00:28:38,908 –> 00:28:41,853
[ramsey_d_smith]: but they’ve got sort of a demand
shock that’s favorable to them
1181
00:28:41,820 –> 00:28:41,840
[david_macchia]: m
1182
00:28:42,354 –> 00:28:42,575
[ramsey_d_smith]: but now
1183
00:28:42,622 –> 00:28:42,828
[paul_tyler]: okay
1184
00:28:42,635 –> 00:28:45,860
[ramsey_d_smith]: we have this issue that things are
happening on the supply side so even if
1185
00:28:45,940 –> 00:28:48,705
[ramsey_d_smith]: prices are going up if you can’t
deliver the product
1186
00:28:48,360 –> 00:28:48,664
[paul_tyler]: oh
1187
00:28:49,105 –> 00:28:49,807
[ramsey_d_smith]: it’s not giving you
1188
00:28:49,845 –> 00:28:49,865
[david_macchia]: m
1189
00:28:49,867 –> 00:28:52,351
[ramsey_d_smith]: the excess profit you would have otherwise
given
1190
00:28:52,420 –> 00:28:53,326
[david_macchia]: right right
1191
00:28:53,312 –> 00:28:56,037
[ramsey_d_smith]: and so so it shouldn’t come as
a surprise
1192
00:28:55,893 –> 00:28:55,914
[paul_tyler]: i
1193
00:28:56,097 –> 00:29:02,327
[ramsey_d_smith]: that like equities have been you ve
been suffering in this current environment and so
1194
00:29:02,848 –> 00:29:05,192
[ramsey_d_smith]: you know what does that mean it’s
it’s one thing if you say well if
1195
00:29:05,252 –> 00:29:09,539
[ramsey_d_smith]: i get you know our per cent
four per cent on my my annuity that’s
1196
00:29:09,580 –> 00:29:11,503
[ramsey_d_smith]: not keeping up with ten per cent
inflation will being down
1197
00:29:11,550 –> 00:29:11,570
[david_macchia]: m
1198
00:29:11,683 –> 00:29:16,010
[ramsey_d_smith]: twenty per cent in your equity portfolio
isn’t helping that either you know if you’re
1199
00:29:16,050 –> 00:29:16,711
[david_macchia]: that’s right
1200
00:29:16,731 –> 00:29:19,716
[ramsey_d_smith]: if you’re if you’re in decumulations if
you’re an accumulation
1201
00:29:19,500 –> 00:29:19,740
[paul_tyler]: yah
1202
00:29:19,876 –> 00:29:21,518
[ramsey_d_smith]: you can weigh it out but if
you’re in the
1203
00:29:21,470 –> 00:29:21,632
[david_macchia]: yeah
1204
00:29:21,578 –> 00:29:22,959
[ramsey_d_smith]: accumulation phase like you don’t
1205
00:29:22,920 –> 00:29:23,141
[david_macchia]: oh
1206
00:29:23,169 –> 00:29:23,190
[paul_tyler]: h
1207
00:29:23,320 –> 00:29:25,682
[ramsey_d_smith]: you don’t have the same set of
choices so it’s
1208
00:29:25,611 –> 00:29:25,751
[david_macchia]: yeah
1209
00:29:25,742 –> 00:29:26,623
[ramsey_d_smith]: a it’s a tough problem
1210
00:29:26,335 –> 00:29:26,438
[paul_tyler]: no
1211
00:29:26,823 –> 00:29:26,984
[ramsey_d_smith]: right
1212
00:29:27,273 –> 00:29:30,078
[david_macchia]: this is really really a smart point
you bringing up because
1213
00:29:30,065 –> 00:29:30,935
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
1214
00:29:30,539 –> 00:29:32,642
[david_macchia]: i remember i got a call from
a writer i won’t mention his
1215
00:29:32,550 –> 00:29:33,215
[ramsey_d_smith]: hm
1216
00:29:32,682 –> 00:29:36,388
[david_macchia]: name he read one of my articles
and he said you know i really know
1217
00:29:36,489 –> 00:29:40,762
[david_macchia]: argued with a new he’s because they’re
not inflation adjusted and you know the truth
1218
00:29:40,842 –> 00:29:41,644
[david_macchia]: is there’s no there’s
1219
00:29:41,495 –> 00:29:42,545
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
1220
00:29:41,684 –> 00:29:42,545
[david_macchia]: no guarantee that
1221
00:29:42,635 –> 00:29:42,655
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
1222
00:29:42,645 –> 00:29:43,487
[david_macchia]: equity portfolios
1223
00:29:43,220 –> 00:29:43,321
[paul_tyler]: no
1224
00:29:43,527 –> 00:29:44,368
[david_macchia]: are going to be inflation
1225
00:29:44,186 –> 00:29:44,287
[paul_tyler]: no
1226
00:29:44,345 –> 00:29:44,648
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
1227
00:29:44,448 –> 00:29:45,169
[david_macchia]: adjusted right
1228
00:29:45,557 –> 00:29:45,618
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
1229
00:29:45,790 –> 00:29:46,612
[david_macchia]: and i would rather
1230
00:29:46,514 –> 00:29:46,535
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
1231
00:29:46,672 –> 00:29:47,413
[david_macchia]: have some level
1232
00:29:47,315 –> 00:29:49,085
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
1233
00:29:47,493 –> 00:29:47,894
[david_macchia]: of income
1234
00:29:47,782 –> 00:29:47,803
[paul_tyler]: i
1235
00:29:47,934 –> 00:29:49,617
[david_macchia]: that i can count on in retirement
1236
00:29:49,710 –> 00:29:49,892
[paul_tyler]: yeah
1237
00:29:49,977 –> 00:29:51,660
[david_macchia]: for life and if it’s
1238
00:29:51,554 –> 00:29:51,575
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
1239
00:29:51,720 –> 00:29:55,303
[david_macchia]: not inflation adjusted at least it’s tangible
at least it’s real
1240
00:29:56,114 –> 00:29:56,135
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
1241
00:29:56,764 –> 00:30:00,627
[david_macchia]: and i think you know the outlook
for in general
1242
00:30:01,355 –> 00:30:01,616
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
1243
00:30:01,948 –> 00:30:04,892
[david_macchia]: guaranteed income it’s going to be so
strong
1244
00:30:05,135 –> 00:30:06,605
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
1245
00:30:05,353 –> 00:30:05,955
[david_macchia]: going forward
1246
00:30:06,605 –> 00:30:07,265
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
1247
00:30:06,776 –> 00:30:07,598
[david_macchia]: it just has to be
1248
00:30:08,615 –> 00:30:09,545
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
1249
00:30:08,620 –> 00:30:12,046
[david_macchia]: because like i always say to advisors
you know no retirement
1250
00:30:11,986 –> 00:30:12,169
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
1251
00:30:12,086 –> 00:30:12,888
[david_macchia]: stops needing income
1252
00:30:13,440 –> 00:30:14,130
[paul_tyler]: oh
1253
00:30:13,775 –> 00:30:13,935
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
1254
00:30:14,920 –> 00:30:14,941
[paul_tyler]: a
1255
00:30:15,616 –> 00:30:16,977
[ramsey_d_smith]: i want to bring in another
1256
00:30:16,920 –> 00:30:16,940
[david_macchia]: m
1257
00:30:17,098 –> 00:30:20,260
[ramsey_d_smith]: way we can bring in full circle
to what you’re doing with what you’re
1258
00:30:20,130 –> 00:30:20,432
[paul_tyler]: oh
1259
00:30:20,321 –> 00:30:22,062
[ramsey_d_smith]: doing with projects six
1260
00:30:22,110 –> 00:30:22,293
[paul_tyler]: yeah
1261
00:30:22,142 –> 00:30:23,303
[ramsey_d_smith]: thousand minutes and
1262
00:30:23,670 –> 00:30:23,690
[david_macchia]: m
1263
00:30:23,700 –> 00:30:23,761
[paul_tyler]: ye
1264
00:30:23,704 –> 00:30:27,569
[ramsey_d_smith]: you know what potentially there’s a potential
for growth in the financial advisor space it’s
1265
00:30:27,609 –> 00:30:28,591
[ramsey_d_smith]: really i think
1266
00:30:28,481 –> 00:30:28,623
[paul_tyler]: thank
1267
00:30:28,771 –> 00:30:32,738
[ramsey_d_smith]: on the spending side right spending control
cost control and that we had
1268
00:30:32,782 –> 00:30:32,927
[paul_tyler]: yeah
1269
00:30:33,659 –> 00:30:34,060
[ramsey_d_smith]: we had
1270
00:30:34,230 –> 00:30:34,496
[paul_tyler]: oh
1271
00:30:34,861 –> 00:30:35,643
[ramsey_d_smith]: bill bangin on
1272
00:30:35,910 –> 00:30:36,110
[paul_tyler]: oh
1273
00:30:35,943 –> 00:30:38,748
[ramsey_d_smith]: right the there of woudrawl strategies
1274
00:30:39,360 –> 00:30:39,661
[david_macchia]: oh
1275
00:30:39,429 –> 00:30:42,574
[ramsey_d_smith]: he’s in his nineties he was amazing
to have him on but one of his
1276
00:30:42,634 –> 00:30:42,775
[ramsey_d_smith]: key
1277
00:30:42,642 –> 00:30:42,802
[david_macchia]: yeah
1278
00:30:42,875 –> 00:30:44,177
[ramsey_d_smith]: points is you got to fix spending
1279
00:30:44,550 –> 00:30:46,272
[paul_tyler]: uh
1280
00:30:46,721 –> 00:30:46,882
[david_macchia]: yeah
1281
00:30:47,523 –> 00:30:47,703
[ramsey_d_smith]: right
1282
00:30:47,583 –> 00:30:49,125
[david_macchia]: but but here’s here’s
1283
00:30:49,067 –> 00:30:49,249
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
1284
00:30:49,306 –> 00:30:50,227
[david_macchia]: here’s the problem here’s
1285
00:30:50,115 –> 00:30:50,276
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
1286
00:30:50,267 –> 00:30:52,050
[david_macchia]: the problem i say and i like
i like bill a lot
1287
00:30:52,055 –> 00:30:52,195
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
1288
00:30:52,170 –> 00:30:54,935
[david_macchia]: and you know i wrote an article
called there is no safe with drawl rate
1289
00:30:55,025 –> 00:30:55,186
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
1290
00:30:55,576 –> 00:30:57,800
[david_macchia]: which by the way which i believe
and
1291
00:30:57,825 –> 00:30:57,946
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
1292
00:30:57,920 –> 00:30:59,603
[david_macchia]: uh you know and he came back
to
1293
00:30:59,553 –> 00:31:00,035
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
1294
00:30:59,663 –> 00:31:01,005
[david_macchia]: me and and he said well my
1295
00:31:01,094 –> 00:31:01,115
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
1296
00:31:01,145 –> 00:31:06,795
[david_macchia]: projections say that that’s not the case
i said i understand you’re absolutely right but
1297
00:31:07,155 –> 00:31:08,177
[david_macchia]: all of the projections
1298
00:31:07,950 –> 00:31:09,330
[paul_tyler]: yeah
1299
00:31:08,498 –> 00:31:09,299
[david_macchia]: yours and everyone
1300
00:31:09,335 –> 00:31:09,557
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
1301
00:31:09,359 –> 00:31:11,827
[david_macchia]: else’s assumes that the client stays invested
1302
00:31:12,186 –> 00:31:12,980
[paul_tyler]: a oh
1303
00:31:12,825 –> 00:31:12,967
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
1304
00:31:13,020 –> 00:31:15,665
[david_macchia]: every single day in every single condition
and
1305
00:31:15,668 –> 00:31:15,709
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
1306
00:31:15,789 –> 00:31:15,810
[paul_tyler]: h
1307
00:31:15,865 –> 00:31:16,626
[david_macchia]: cast in the real world
1308
00:31:16,544 –> 00:31:16,565
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
1309
00:31:16,666 –> 00:31:17,007
[david_macchia]: they don’t
1310
00:31:16,920 –> 00:31:18,420
[paul_tyler]: okay
1311
00:31:17,868 –> 00:31:17,968
[david_macchia]: so
1312
00:31:18,067 –> 00:31:18,148
[ramsey_d_smith]: ah
1313
00:31:18,630 –> 00:31:21,194
[david_macchia]: you know the point
1314
00:31:21,213 –> 00:31:21,378
[paul_tyler]: yah
1315
00:31:21,234 –> 00:31:22,175
[david_macchia]: about withdrawals is
1316
00:31:22,085 –> 00:31:22,426
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
1317
00:31:22,256 –> 00:31:24,519
[david_macchia]: that it’s really really hard
1318
00:31:24,780 –> 00:31:27,199
[paul_tyler]: okay
1319
00:31:24,880 –> 00:31:25,761
[david_macchia]: in the practical
1320
00:31:25,236 –> 00:31:25,357
[ramsey_d_smith]: ah
1321
00:31:26,142 –> 00:31:27,785
[david_macchia]: real world that advises live in
1322
00:31:28,170 –> 00:31:28,190
[paul_tyler]: a
1323
00:31:28,266 –> 00:31:28,726
[david_macchia]: to go to a
1324
00:31:28,754 –> 00:31:28,775
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
1325
00:31:28,807 –> 00:31:32,413
[david_macchia]: client and say well you know last
year you took out forty thousand from your
1326
00:31:32,473 –> 00:31:33,014
[david_macchia]: portfolio
1327
00:31:32,550 –> 00:31:32,795
[paul_tyler]: oh
1328
00:31:33,134 –> 00:31:33,274
[david_macchia]: but
1329
00:31:33,545 –> 00:31:33,826
[ramsey_d_smith]: yah
1330
00:31:33,695 –> 00:31:36,620
[david_macchia]: really this year you need to take
out twenty one thousand three hundred m
1331
00:31:36,674 –> 00:31:37,595
[ramsey_d_smith]: m m
1332
00:31:37,950 –> 00:31:39,312
[david_macchia]: it doesn’t work at the kitchen table
1333
00:31:39,751 –> 00:31:39,832
[paul_tyler]: no
1334
00:31:40,102 –> 00:31:40,264
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
1335
00:31:40,314 –> 00:31:41,857
[david_macchia]: it just doesn’t it just doesn’t work
1336
00:31:42,185 –> 00:31:42,533
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
1337
00:31:42,778 –> 00:31:48,207
[david_macchia]: and so you know a fixed stream
of income coming from an annuity that a
1338
00:31:48,468 –> 00:31:48,868
[david_macchia]: client can
1339
00:31:48,845 –> 00:31:49,127
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
1340
00:31:48,930 –> 00:31:49,293
[paul_tyler]: oh
1341
00:31:48,969 –> 00:31:50,071
[david_macchia]: count on year
1342
00:31:49,950 –> 00:31:50,191
[paul_tyler]: oh
1343
00:31:50,251 –> 00:31:51,173
[david_macchia]: after year after year
1344
00:31:51,455 –> 00:31:51,775
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
1345
00:31:52,315 –> 00:31:54,318
[david_macchia]: that that’s hard to argue against
1346
00:31:55,151 –> 00:31:55,291
[paul_tyler]: oh
1347
00:31:55,490 –> 00:31:55,895
[david_macchia]: it’s hard
1348
00:31:55,832 –> 00:31:56,012
[paul_tyler]: well
1349
00:31:55,955 –> 00:31:56,703
[david_macchia]: to argue against
1350
00:31:56,713 –> 00:31:59,178
[paul_tyler]: i think you’re right people want guarantee
income here
1351
00:31:59,255 –> 00:31:59,478
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
1352
00:31:59,799 –> 00:32:01,542
[paul_tyler]: an anecdote on monday so
1353
00:32:02,144 –> 00:32:02,165
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
1354
00:32:02,243 –> 00:32:07,580
[paul_tyler]: so i’m back in our office and
in hartford and walking along security
1355
00:32:07,440 –> 00:32:07,683
[david_macchia]: yes
1356
00:32:07,640 –> 00:32:12,348
[paul_tyler]: guy nowell is talking to women who
reports in cafitarnoell and he’s saying sixty two
1357
00:32:13,751 –> 00:32:14,031
[paul_tyler]: sixty
1358
00:32:14,015 –> 00:32:14,035
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
1359
00:32:14,151 –> 00:32:20,081
[paul_tyler]: seven okay i know this conversation so
i stuck my head
1360
00:32:19,929 –> 00:32:19,950
[david_macchia]: m
1361
00:32:20,181 –> 00:32:21,163
[paul_tyler]: in and you know it’s
1362
00:32:21,635 –> 00:32:21,876
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
1363
00:32:22,305 –> 00:32:25,811
[paul_tyler]: you know here are two people struggling
like how do they bridge to retirement
1364
00:32:25,235 –> 00:32:26,455
[ramsey_d_smith]: yah m
1365
00:32:26,712 –> 00:32:28,115
[paul_tyler]: and you know a woman said to
me
1366
00:32:28,475 –> 00:32:28,617
[ramsey_d_smith]: ye
1367
00:32:28,475 –> 00:32:33,341
[paul_tyler]: paul i could actually could actually retire
right now i can’t pay for my health
1368
00:32:33,421 –> 00:32:35,645
[paul_tyler]: care so well do you know the
products
1369
00:32:35,462 –> 00:32:35,483
[david_macchia]: m
1370
00:32:35,685 –> 00:32:36,326
[paul_tyler]: were selling here
1371
00:32:36,219 –> 00:32:36,240
[david_macchia]: m
1372
00:32:36,607 –> 00:32:41,735
[paul_tyler]: can actually help you do that we
could actually said talk to me
1373
00:32:41,846 –> 00:32:41,887
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
1374
00:32:41,896 –> 00:32:43,678
[paul_tyler]: you know we’ll sit down i’ll show
you the numbers i’m not
1375
00:32:43,633 –> 00:32:43,654
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
1376
00:32:43,719 –> 00:32:46,262
[paul_tyler]: selling i’m not making money on this
david i
1377
00:32:46,620 –> 00:32:46,966
[david_macchia]: oh
1378
00:32:46,883 –> 00:32:47,304
[paul_tyler]: maybe i can
1379
00:32:47,285 –> 00:32:47,606
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
1380
00:32:47,564 –> 00:32:50,348
[paul_tyler]: with this count towards my two hours
if i help some people
1381
00:32:50,340 –> 00:32:50,520
[david_macchia]: sure
1382
00:32:50,448 –> 00:32:50,608
[paul_tyler]: here
1383
00:32:50,705 –> 00:32:51,087
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
1384
00:32:52,625 –> 00:32:53,106
[david_macchia]: of course
1385
00:32:52,892 –> 00:32:55,978
[paul_tyler]: but these are real problems sort of
right like i think the guarantee you got
1386
00:32:56,018 –> 00:32:56,079
[paul_tyler]: to
1387
00:32:56,054 –> 00:32:56,496
[david_macchia]: totally
1388
00:32:56,075 –> 00:32:56,301
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
1389
00:32:56,119 –> 00:32:57,622
[paul_tyler]: hit sixty two most people
1390
00:32:57,480 –> 00:32:57,743
[david_macchia]: yeah
1391
00:32:57,682 –> 00:33:00,668
[paul_tyler]: are in they’re not trying to get
rich right they will keep
1392
00:33:01,041 –> 00:33:03,004
[david_macchia]: you can’t you can’t solve risk with
1393
00:33:03,060 –> 00:33:03,263
[paul_tyler]: oh
1394
00:33:03,084 –> 00:33:04,286
[david_macchia]: more risk you have to solve
1395
00:33:04,385 –> 00:33:04,405
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
1396
00:33:04,406 –> 00:33:05,928
[david_macchia]: risk with with safety
1397
00:33:06,460 –> 00:33:06,601
[paul_tyler]: yeah
1398
00:33:06,695 –> 00:33:06,877
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
1399
00:33:07,090 –> 00:33:08,233
[david_macchia]: you just you just have to
1400
00:33:08,483 –> 00:33:08,809
[paul_tyler]: yeah
1401
00:33:09,308 –> 00:33:09,569
[ramsey_d_smith]: i like
1402
00:33:09,476 –> 00:33:09,737
[david_macchia]: and that’s
1403
00:33:09,629 –> 00:33:09,789
[ramsey_d_smith]: that
1404
00:33:09,777 –> 00:33:09,917
[david_macchia]: why
1405
00:33:09,850 –> 00:33:10,191
[ramsey_d_smith]: comment
1406
00:33:10,761 –> 00:33:10,986
[paul_tyler]: right
1407
00:33:11,050 –> 00:33:15,437
[david_macchia]: you’ve got this is why i like
i like advisors not to not
1408
00:33:15,335 –> 00:33:15,538
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
1409
00:33:15,477 –> 00:33:15,818
[david_macchia]: to just
1410
00:33:15,697 –> 00:33:15,777
[paul_tyler]: oh
1411
00:33:16,339 –> 00:33:16,960
[david_macchia]: put themselves
1412
00:33:16,715 –> 00:33:16,896
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
1413
00:33:17,040 –> 00:33:19,143
[david_macchia]: in one pigeon hole right
1414
00:33:19,680 –> 00:33:19,902
[paul_tyler]: yeah
1415
00:33:19,925 –> 00:33:23,170
[david_macchia]: don’t do that think more broadly cause
1416
00:33:23,040 –> 00:33:23,223
[paul_tyler]: yeah
1417
00:33:23,351 –> 00:33:28,784
[david_macchia]: you have to inject safety in the
portfolio the retirement income portfolio
1418
00:33:28,590 –> 00:33:29,310
[paul_tyler]: yeah
1419
00:33:28,864 –> 00:33:30,568
[david_macchia]: of ninety percent of the people
1420
00:33:31,140 –> 00:33:31,322
[paul_tyler]: yeah
1421
00:33:31,361 –> 00:33:32,112
[david_macchia]: they must have it
1422
00:33:33,874 –> 00:33:36,782
[paul_tyler]: i could see the visual for injecting
safety that
1423
00:33:36,990 –> 00:33:37,552
[david_macchia]: uh
1424
00:33:37,163 –> 00:33:37,343
[paul_tyler]: like
1425
00:33:38,033 –> 00:33:41,258
[ramsey_d_smith]: you can’t you can’t solve risk with
more risk paul that’s the that’s the
1426
00:33:41,189 –> 00:33:41,310
[david_macchia]: yeah
1427
00:33:41,261 –> 00:33:41,482
[paul_tyler]: right
1428
00:33:41,318 –> 00:33:43,021
[ramsey_d_smith]: headline on the on the linked in
right
1429
00:33:42,984 –> 00:33:43,244
[paul_tyler]: right
1430
00:33:43,081 –> 00:33:44,564
[ramsey_d_smith]: that’s that’s the that’s the quotable
1431
00:33:45,047 –> 00:33:45,268
[paul_tyler]: yeah
1432
00:33:45,125 –> 00:33:45,346
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
1433
00:33:45,729 –> 00:33:46,189
[paul_tyler]: you can’t
1434
00:33:46,153 –> 00:33:46,275
[ramsey_d_smith]: here
1435
00:33:46,290 –> 00:33:46,690
[paul_tyler]: solve
1436
00:33:46,295 –> 00:33:46,517
[ramsey_d_smith]: you go
1437
00:33:46,830 –> 00:33:53,463
[paul_tyler]: risk with more risk yeah i’ll see
yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah give me the
1438
00:33:53,523 –> 00:33:54,326
[paul_tyler]: notes afterwards
1439
00:33:54,875 –> 00:33:55,095
[ramsey_d_smith]: right
1440
00:33:56,060 –> 00:33:59,506
[paul_tyler]: well he listen this is this is
it’s great to catch up so
1441
00:34:00,125 –> 00:34:00,367
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
1442
00:34:00,300 –> 00:34:00,522
[david_macchia]: oh
1443
00:34:00,488 –> 00:34:01,249
[paul_tyler]: we conofered a lot
1444
00:34:01,265 –> 00:34:01,547
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
1445
00:34:01,409 –> 00:34:05,576
[paul_tyler]: so i think great initiative to drive
more
1446
00:34:05,460 –> 00:34:05,480
[david_macchia]: m
1447
00:34:05,656 –> 00:34:07,479
[paul_tyler]: education into parts
1448
00:34:07,355 –> 00:34:07,657
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
1449
00:34:07,800 –> 00:34:11,025
[paul_tyler]: community that don’t necessarily get a call
from a mary
1450
00:34:10,808 –> 00:34:11,340
[david_macchia]: hm
1451
00:34:11,085 –> 00:34:13,189
[paul_tyler]: lynch advisor or your friends at fisher
1452
00:34:13,161 –> 00:34:13,325
[david_macchia]: right
1453
00:34:13,289 –> 00:34:13,790
[paul_tyler]: investments
1454
00:34:14,195 –> 00:34:14,215
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
1455
00:34:14,591 –> 00:34:14,811
[paul_tyler]: right
1456
00:34:16,385 –> 00:34:16,405
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
1457
00:34:16,614 –> 00:34:18,618
[paul_tyler]: they’re not calling them right
1458
00:34:18,595 –> 00:34:18,695
[david_macchia]: no
1459
00:34:18,700 –> 00:34:18,740
[ramsey_d_smith]: hm
1460
00:34:18,958 –> 00:34:19,419
[paul_tyler]: and they need
1461
00:34:19,356 –> 00:34:19,556
[david_macchia]: they’re
1462
00:34:19,479 –> 00:34:19,599
[paul_tyler]: help
1463
00:34:19,597 –> 00:34:20,117
[david_macchia]: not calling
1464
00:34:20,381 –> 00:34:20,962
[paul_tyler]: i think this is
1465
00:34:20,898 –> 00:34:21,059
[david_macchia]: yep
1466
00:34:21,042 –> 00:34:23,546
[paul_tyler]: great we talked about sort of the
state of the
1467
00:34:23,495 –> 00:34:23,797
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
1468
00:34:23,586 –> 00:34:24,888
[paul_tyler]: state of
1469
00:34:26,015 –> 00:34:26,945
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
1470
00:34:26,411 –> 00:34:27,292
[paul_tyler]: crazy economy
1471
00:34:27,336 –> 00:34:27,437
[ramsey_d_smith]: ah
1472
00:34:27,893 –> 00:34:32,320
[paul_tyler]: and we didn’t get to get go
here i actually found the other there’s actually
1473
00:34:32,941 –> 00:34:37,166
[paul_tyler]: stand for puts out and when we
get this right it’s let’s
1474
00:34:37,205 –> 00:34:37,528
[ramsey_d_smith]: yah
1475
00:34:37,206 –> 00:34:38,347
[paul_tyler]: see a
1476
00:34:41,460 –> 00:34:42,221
[paul_tyler]: it’s an index
1477
00:34:42,990 –> 00:34:43,010
[david_macchia]: m
1478
00:34:43,022 –> 00:34:44,064
[paul_tyler]: we’re not gonna put this in ten
1479
00:34:45,635 –> 00:34:45,916
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
1480
00:34:46,167 –> 00:34:48,311
[paul_tyler]: but it’s the world uncertainty index
1481
00:34:48,605 –> 00:34:49,625
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
1482
00:34:49,092 –> 00:34:50,455
[paul_tyler]: and boy it’s just getting higher
1483
00:34:50,002 –> 00:34:50,547
[david_macchia]: interesting
1484
00:34:50,615 –> 00:34:51,136
[paul_tyler]: and higher
1485
00:34:51,393 –> 00:34:51,554
[david_macchia]: yeah
1486
00:34:51,817 –> 00:34:53,984
[paul_tyler]: very interesting so but risk
1487
00:34:53,834 –> 00:34:53,855
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
1488
00:34:54,045 –> 00:34:56,430
[paul_tyler]: and uncertainty i don’t know ramsey
1489
00:34:56,255 –> 00:34:56,604
[ramsey_d_smith]: my
1490
00:34:56,490 –> 00:35:00,518
[paul_tyler]: what are what are your thoughts take
aways an last questions for david
1491
00:35:01,556 –> 00:35:04,000
[ramsey_d_smith]: um just i think we i think
we covered
1492
00:35:03,810 –> 00:35:04,052
[paul_tyler]: oh
1493
00:35:04,060 –> 00:35:06,143
[ramsey_d_smith]: an amazing amount of ground today
1494
00:35:06,060 –> 00:35:06,381
[david_macchia]: yeah
1495
00:35:06,524 –> 00:35:07,205
[ramsey_d_smith]: very efficiently
1496
00:35:07,668 –> 00:35:07,869
[david_macchia]: yeah
1497
00:35:08,367 –> 00:35:09,208
[ramsey_d_smith]: i’ll just say that you know
1498
00:35:09,150 –> 00:35:09,170
[david_macchia]: m
1499
00:35:09,489 –> 00:35:13,075
[ramsey_d_smith]: david between this visit and the last
visit on some
1500
00:35:13,050 –> 00:35:13,313
[paul_tyler]: yeah
1501
00:35:13,115 –> 00:35:13,815
[ramsey_d_smith]: of the things that you’ve
1502
00:35:13,710 –> 00:35:13,930
[david_macchia]: oh
1503
00:35:13,955 –> 00:35:20,261
[ramsey_d_smith]: you’ve written recently you are you’re very
you’re very thoughtful individual in this space so
1504
00:35:20,340 –> 00:35:20,360
[david_macchia]: m
1505
00:35:20,762 –> 00:35:23,004
[ramsey_d_smith]: thoughtful and and a passionate voice around
1506
00:35:22,680 –> 00:35:23,460
[paul_tyler]: oh
1507
00:35:23,164 –> 00:35:28,181
[ramsey_d_smith]: you know retirement income so thank you
for doing what you do and it’s been
1508
00:35:28,221 –> 00:35:28,582
[ramsey_d_smith]: real pleasure
1509
00:35:29,640 –> 00:35:32,923
[david_macchia]: thank you for saying that ramsey and
it’s always a pleasure to be with both
1510
00:35:32,983 –> 00:35:34,685
[david_macchia]: of you i love what you’ve done
1511
00:35:34,565 –> 00:35:34,869
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
1512
00:35:34,725 –> 00:35:36,747
[david_macchia]: with the podcast it’s essential listening
1513
00:35:36,425 –> 00:35:36,729
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
1514
00:35:37,040 –> 00:35:37,220
[paul_tyler]: yeah
1515
00:35:37,388 –> 00:35:38,068
[david_macchia]: it really is
1516
00:35:38,005 –> 00:35:38,286
[ramsey_d_smith]: thank you
1517
00:35:38,642 –> 00:35:43,010
[paul_tyler]: thanks yeah hey david listen keep doing
what you’re doing you know one
1518
00:35:42,965 –> 00:35:44,135
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
1519
00:35:43,110 –> 00:35:44,152
[paul_tyler]: part of the introduction we
1520
00:35:44,160 –> 00:35:44,940
[david_macchia]: yeah
1521
00:35:44,232 –> 00:35:47,076
[paul_tyler]: didn’t give you is you’re just you’re
doing a great job out in
1522
00:35:47,435 –> 00:35:47,455
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
1523
00:35:47,838 –> 00:35:48,699
[paul_tyler]: unlinked in and some
1524
00:35:48,725 –> 00:35:49,028
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
1525
00:35:48,739 –> 00:35:55,130
[paul_tyler]: of these websites just keeping the message
in front of people about guarantees about income
1526
00:35:55,170 –> 00:35:55,230
[paul_tyler]: and
1527
00:35:55,205 –> 00:35:55,526
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
1528
00:35:55,310 –> 00:35:57,654
[paul_tyler]: thank you i think what you’re doing
is terrific
1529
00:35:58,320 –> 00:35:58,683
[david_macchia]: oh
1530
00:35:58,455 –> 00:35:58,616
[paul_tyler]: um
1531
00:35:59,720 –> 00:36:00,003
[david_macchia]: thank you
1532
00:36:00,058 –> 00:36:05,568
[paul_tyler]: yeah look we want to support we
want to sport your project two thousand minutes
1533
00:36:06,008 –> 00:36:06,309
[paul_tyler]: so well
1534
00:36:06,257 –> 00:36:06,759
[ramsey_d_smith]: six thousand
1535
00:36:06,750 –> 00:36:07,952
[paul_tyler]: six thousand six thousand
1536
00:36:07,895 –> 00:36:08,135
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
1537
00:36:08,232 –> 00:36:10,616
[paul_tyler]: i’m bad date for numbers for me
1538
00:36:11,139 –> 00:36:15,446
[david_macchia]: i very much appreciate that paul like
i said we need we need the participation
1539
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[david_macchia]: of institutions
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[ramsey_d_smith]: ah
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[david_macchia]: and individuals so
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[ramsey_d_smith]: m
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[david_macchia]: i really
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[paul_tyler]: ye
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[david_macchia]: wanted to get off the ground and
be very very
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[paul_tyler]: okay
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[david_macchia]: successful
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[paul_tyler]: great we’ll put the link and link
to
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[ramsey_d_smith]: ye
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[paul_tyler]: your side and we’ll put the link
to
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[david_macchia]: oh
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[paul_tyler]: your linked in account whatever however else
so people can get in touch with you
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[paul_tyler]: this is great thanks david ramsey thank
you and thanks for listening
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[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
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[paul_tyler]: so it’s again next week
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[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
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[paul_tyler]: for another episode of that annuity show
thanks
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[ramsey_d_smith]: yah
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[david_macchia]: thank you
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[paul_tyler]: this is paul tyler and welcome
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[david_macchia]: oh
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[paul_tyler]: to another episode that annuity show ramsey
harry you
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[ramsey_d_smith]: fantastic always glad to be here
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[paul_tyler]: yeah well it’s we’ve had some interesting
interesting month coming up i mean actually can
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[paul_tyler]: be out at shortt connect
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[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
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[paul_tyler]: there’s some interesting overlap
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[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
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[paul_tyler]: with some of the people we’ve
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[ramsey_d_smith]: m
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[paul_tyler]: had on this show and some of
the people who participate in retire tech
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[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
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[paul_tyler]: event
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[ramsey_d_smith]: ah
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[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
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[paul_tyler]: looking forward to seeing smal friends meeting
some new men which we have an old
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[ramsey_d_smith]: m
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[paul_tyler]: friend now an old
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[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
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[paul_tyler]: friend back on our program today
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[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
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[paul_tyler]: rams you want to do the introductions
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[ramsey_d_smith]: absolutely
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[paul_tyler]: oh
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[ramsey_d_smith]: we’re very lucky to have
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[paul_tyler]: oh
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[ramsey_d_smith]: david mark rejoin us to talk about
some of the things that he’s been doing
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[ramsey_d_smith]: in the in the few months since
the last time we had on the show
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[ramsey_d_smith]: m david for those of you don’t
know is the founder and co of wealth
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[ramsey_d_smith]: to k he’s also a very prolific
and passionate writer about about many and all
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[ramsey_d_smith]: things retirement income you know built particularly
around the concept of a constrained investor which
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[ramsey_d_smith]: is something we talked about on his
on his
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[paul_tyler]: yeah
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[ramsey_d_smith]: last visit here in addition to that
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[paul_tyler]: yeah
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[ramsey_d_smith]: he is launched a new product
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[paul_tyler]: yeah
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[ramsey_d_smith]: you should say a new project rather
that he’s going to
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[paul_tyler]: oh
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[ramsey_d_smith]: share the outlines with us on today
which is called project six thousand minutes a
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[ramsey_d_smith]: really very interesting initiative so with that
welcome back to the show david and we
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[ramsey_d_smith]: look forward to our chat today so
tell us
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[david_macchia]: yeah
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[ramsey_d_smith]: what are some of the key things
you’re focusing on lately
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[david_macchia]: ah
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[paul_tyler]: yeah
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[david_macchia]: first of all thank you ramsey and
thank you paul
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[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
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[paul_tyler]: yeah
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[david_macchia]: for having me back i very much
enjoyed being with you
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[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
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[david_macchia]: so you mentioned project six thousand minutes
and over the last several months this is
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[david_macchia]: something
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[ramsey_d_smith]: m
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[david_macchia]: that’s been very much on top of
my agenda it’s forming just now but
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[ramsey_d_smith]: m
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[david_macchia]: give folks an outline of what it
is those of us who’ve been blessed with
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[david_macchia]: advantages and
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[paul_tyler]: yah
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[david_macchia]: have done you know well
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[paul_tyler]: yeah
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[david_macchia]: financially you think about at some point
in your life giving back and you know
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[david_macchia]: my belief about giving back is that
one of the greatest gifts one can give
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[david_macchia]: is education education is the way for
because i think to elevate themselves in my
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[david_macchia]: own
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[paul_tyler]: yeah
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[david_macchia]: life i can point to education as
being instrumental
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[paul_tyler]: yeah
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[david_macchia]: in helping me you know elevate where
i was and when i started to where
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[david_macchia]: i became over time and the idea
of project six thousand minutes is a way
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[david_macchia]: for people to help contribute to building
a more equitable society specifically project six thousand
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[paul_tyler]: oh
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[david_macchia]: minutes aims to deliver free financial education
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[paul_tyler]: oh
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[david_macchia]: to women from undeserved communities black women
hispanic women latina women and other
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[paul_tyler]: okay
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[david_macchia]: women from undeserved communities who need basic
financial education well you say well how would
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[david_macchia]: that happen how does that actually play
out
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[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
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[david_macchia]: well think of this the financial advisor
community collectively possesses a level
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[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
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[david_macchia]: of wisdom that’s unmatched
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[paul_tyler]: yeah
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[david_macchia]: so the idea of project six thousand
minutes as advisors would donate two hours per
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[david_macchia]: week of their time
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[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
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[david_macchia]: to deliver education in their local communities
in any number of
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[ramsey_d_smith]: yes
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[david_macchia]: venus to profit organization s places of
worships community centers or
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[ramsey_d_smith]: ye
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[david_macchia]: online or online and by doing that
we can leverage the financial advisor community in
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[david_macchia]: a way that will help really build
a more the bow and stronger society the
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[david_macchia]: name project six thousand minutes
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[paul_tyler]: oh
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[david_macchia]: comes from the idea that
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[paul_tyler]: my
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[david_macchia]: if an advisor
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[ramsey_d_smith]: m
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[david_macchia]: devotes two hours per week over the
cost of fifty weeks that’s six thousand minutes
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[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
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[david_macchia]: so i think you know if
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[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
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[david_macchia]: we are able to get this off
the ground successfully and have a large number
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[david_macchia]: of financial advisors
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[paul_tyler]: oh
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[ramsey_d_smith]: m
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[david_macchia]: deliver education we will change people’s lives
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[paul_tyler]: yeah
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[david_macchia]: to some extent and i think it
will also become
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[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
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[david_macchia]: a way to educate women who some
of whom will say you know
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[ramsey_d_smith]: yes
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[david_macchia]: i love this topic i love learning
about financial issues perhaps i’ll pursue a career
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[david_macchia]: as a financial advisor and of course
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[paul_tyler]: yeah
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[david_macchia]: you know we need to have women
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[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
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[david_macchia]: you know in the ranks of the
financial advisor community and we specifically
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[ramsey_d_smith]: m
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[david_macchia]: need to have more minority women in
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[ramsey_d_smith]: m
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[david_macchia]: perhaps this and become a pipeline to
you know try to address that long standing
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[david_macchia]: aspiration we need support we need support
of financial advisors we need support of sponsors
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[david_macchia]: at the corporate level
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[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
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[david_macchia]: anyone can learn about this initiative
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[ramsey_d_smith]: yea
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[david_macchia]: at the website project
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[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
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[david_macchia]: six thousand minutes dot com
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[ramsey_d_smith]: ye
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[david_macchia]: i’ll help you visit
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[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
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[david_macchia]: it and i help you learn and
i help you think about contributing to this
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[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
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[paul_tyler]: yeah
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[david_macchia]: and thanks for giving me an opportunity
to talk about
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[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
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[paul_tyler]: yeah and just just
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[david_macchia]: oh
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[paul_tyler]: is i think it’s fabulous idea you
know now i will say i one of
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[david_macchia]: m
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[paul_tyler]: strange you know one of my
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[david_macchia]: m
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[paul_tyler]: simons had a prim
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[david_macchia]: oh
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[paul_tyler]: prior company was run reliance
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[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
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[paul_tyler]: right so i’ve learned to put my
compliant
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[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
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[paul_tyler]: healthy
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[david_macchia]: oh
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[paul_tyler]: skeptical hat on here so dave how
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[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
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[paul_tyler]: how do you know you’re in the
design phase
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[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
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[paul_tyler]: of this how do you keep this
from being like a legion
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[ramsey_d_smith]: right
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[paul_tyler]: opportunity and it’s us
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[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
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[paul_tyler]: and rather keep it
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[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
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[paul_tyler]: as a give back to a community
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[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
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[paul_tyler]: you know wat are the so are
you selecting agents you know what’s the how
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[paul_tyler]: do you kind of put guard rails
up on this
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[david_macchia]: it’s a great
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[paul_tyler]: oh
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[david_macchia]: question and i’m not sure i have
a perfect
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[ramsey_d_smith]: yes
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[david_macchia]: answer yet
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[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
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[david_macchia]: i think the people who will
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[ramsey_d_smith]: ye
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[david_macchia]: respond to this those who genuinely want
to get back by don’t
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[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
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[david_macchia]: in some of their time and some
of their brain power to
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[ramsey_d_smith]: yes
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[david_macchia]: people who can benefit
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[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
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[david_macchia]: from it
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[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
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[david_macchia]: i never really conceived of
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[ramsey_d_smith]: m
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[david_macchia]: it as as anything other than that
paul
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[paul_tyler]: yeah
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[david_macchia]: and i don’t
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[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
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[david_macchia]: think it will be you know we
want to
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[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
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[david_macchia]: form this in a non profit structure
we wanted to be you know clean
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[ramsey_d_smith]: m
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[david_macchia]: and proper
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[david_macchia]: and appropriate and devoted to its mission
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[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
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[david_macchia]: wouldn’t be good to have it stray
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[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
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[david_macchia]: that becomes more commercial let’s put it
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[ramsey_d_smith]: so interestingly i mean in some ways
i want to take the
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[david_macchia]: oh
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[ramsey_d_smith]: other side of your point paul
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[david_macchia]: hm
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[david_macchia]: i
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[ramsey_d_smith]: um i think that that one of
the one of the challenges in financial advice
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[ramsey_d_smith]: is is that there there still is
a large part of the population that isn’t
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[paul_tyler]: yeah
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[ramsey_d_smith]: and in my mind you know an
initiative like this you know allows more people
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do in their personal finances and two quite
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this can i handle myself versus o things
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[paul_tyler]: yeah
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[ramsey_d_smith]: seek seek
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[ramsey_d_smith]: advice on so in my view like
you know if if this sort of lives
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potential you end up creating more potent clients
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[ramsey_d_smith]: down the road maybe not this year
but maybe maybe those people are clients ten
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for the broader community
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[david_macchia]: oh
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[ramsey_d_smith]: and you you ultimately end up potentially
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[ramsey_d_smith]: some some new advisors down the road
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[paul_tyler]: oh
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[ramsey_d_smith]: um one other point that i’ll put
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[paul_tyler]: yeah
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[david_macchia]: oh
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[ramsey_d_smith]: is that actually think one of things
that it is often underestimated about the value
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[ramsey_d_smith]: of non profit work is it you
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[ramsey_d_smith]: with people on something about which they’re
very passionate so the people like so so
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[david_macchia]: hm
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[ramsey_d_smith]: david you’re going to pursue this an
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[david_macchia]: oh
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[ramsey_d_smith]: and my sense is your on get
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[david_macchia]: yeah
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[ramsey_d_smith]: those people and there will be now
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[ramsey_d_smith]: create other energies so
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[paul_tyler]: yeah
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[ramsey_d_smith]: i think this is a fantastic idea
who knows like what you know how all
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[paul_tyler]: oh
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[ramsey_d_smith]: those things will come out but i
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[ramsey_d_smith]: think it it can and end up
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[david_macchia]: yeah
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[ramsey_d_smith]: that’s beneficial to everybody
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[paul_tyler]: yeah no
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[david_macchia]: all right
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[paul_tyler]: listen david we talked about this a
little bit i’m not
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[david_macchia]: m
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[paul_tyler]: sure if you could hear me
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[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
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[paul_tyler]: on
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[david_macchia]: m
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[paul_tyler]: the phone but i think it’s a
great idea if i were had
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[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
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[paul_tyler]: an agency or a
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[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
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[paul_tyler]: firm in a community would speak right
way give back with resources give my skills
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[paul_tyler]: back to the community
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[ramsey_d_smith]: m
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[paul_tyler]: and your ram
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[ramsey_d_smith]: m
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[paul_tyler]: right done properly it probably does generate
a lot furls it probably engenders david is
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[paul_tyler]: probably one of the best brand building
things i could do in a community
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[david_macchia]: i think
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[paul_tyler]: oh
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[david_macchia]: that’s right i think i agree with
both of you i think it reflects
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[ramsey_d_smith]: m
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[david_macchia]: positively on the advisor who’s donating
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[paul_tyler]: yeah
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[david_macchia]: time and trying to make a contribution
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[ramsey_d_smith]: m
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[david_macchia]: to his or her community
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[paul_tyler]: yeah
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[david_macchia]: you know that’s absolutely true i can’t
i can’t disagree with that at all i
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[david_macchia]: think you’re absolutely right about it and
i’m excited and i
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[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
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[david_macchia]: i hope like i said i hope
folks will
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[paul_tyler]: oh
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[david_macchia]: go to the website and i hope
we can enlist
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[paul_tyler]: yeah
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[david_macchia]: some sponsors
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[paul_tyler]: oh
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[david_macchia]: from the corporal level i don’t think
this can work without corporate participation
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[paul_tyler]: agree
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[david_macchia]: because the financial advisors contribution that doesn’t
need to be and shouldn’t be direct
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[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
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[david_macchia]: cash contributions it
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[ramsey_d_smith]: ye
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[david_macchia]: should be in time and and the
conveyance
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[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
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[david_macchia]: of his or her wisdom
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[paul_tyler]: oh
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[david_macchia]: that’s that’s really the gold standard contribution
here
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[paul_tyler]: yeah ramsey i think of you know
wendy cops
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[ramsey_d_smith]: m
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[paul_tyler]: teacher for america
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[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
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[david_macchia]: yeah
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[paul_tyler]: project right that
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[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
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[paul_tyler]: was a senior thesis you
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[david_macchia]: oh
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[paul_tyler]: know david to at
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[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
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[david_macchia]: oh
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[paul_tyler]: that turned into like amazing organization
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[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
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[david_macchia]: m
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[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
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[david_macchia]: m
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[ramsey_d_smith]: used to sit in the same computer
room at school
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[paul_tyler]: oh
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[david_macchia]: m
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[ramsey_d_smith]: at the next computer she was writing
that senior thesis
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[paul_tyler]: really
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[ramsey_d_smith]: back
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[david_macchia]: wow
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[ramsey_d_smith]: and like the lady if you can
believe it
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[david_macchia]: wow amazing
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[paul_tyler]: yeah
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[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
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[paul_tyler]: there’s a lot of power there you
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[ramsey_d_smith]: yeh
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[paul_tyler]: you know again i’m just
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[david_macchia]: m
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[paul_tyler]: like i’m one
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[david_macchia]: oh
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[paul_tyler]: of these people
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[ramsey_d_smith]: m
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[paul_tyler]: want to like take that take
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[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
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[paul_tyler]: the hammer out start building
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[david_macchia]: m
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[paul_tyler]: this stuff yeah i think i think
you definitely would need
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[david_macchia]: m
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[paul_tyler]: like a a large
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[david_macchia]: yeah
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[paul_tyler]: carrier with some probably some fairly tied
distribution captive is oxymoreon this business but we
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[paul_tyler]: use a lot right you need the
coverage because
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[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
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[paul_tyler]: boy you
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[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
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[paul_tyler]: mean well but you’ve got you attorneys
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[ramsey_d_smith]: m
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[paul_tyler]: you know that who be very happy
to take some
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[ramsey_d_smith]: m
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[paul_tyler]: cases here so i think you have
to think that you know coverage right
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[david_macchia]: yeah
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[paul_tyler]: the program that i’m assuming this would
tie
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[david_macchia]: oh
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[paul_tyler]: in your your platform
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[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
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[paul_tyler]: would actually be a good name for
for an effort like this correct
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[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
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[david_macchia]: that
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[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
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[david_macchia]: that hadn’t been in my mind at
all i wasn’t looking for any
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[paul_tyler]: oh
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[david_macchia]: kind of ties directly
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[paul_tyler]: yeah
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[david_macchia]: to anything i’m doing another facets of
my life so i think one of one
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[david_macchia]: of
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[paul_tyler]: oh
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[david_macchia]: the great things here i said a
you know one of the things i’ve written
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[david_macchia]: about and you guys know this is
this the warring factions of financial services right
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[david_macchia]: the r a community that looks
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[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
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[david_macchia]: down to the insurance community the insurance
community that says you’re
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[paul_tyler]: oh
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[david_macchia]: hypocrites because
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[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
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[david_macchia]: you’re
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[paul_tyler]: yeah
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[david_macchia]: pay structure actually is
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[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
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[david_macchia]: more than my commission you know the
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[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
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[david_macchia]: thing you have
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[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
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[david_macchia]: all these warring factions and it’s
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[paul_tyler]: oh
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[david_macchia]: and i said wouldn’t it be great
if there was something that everybody could galvanize
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[david_macchia]: around and contribute their competency to because
the truth of the matter is every facet
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[david_macchia]: of the advisor community has very specific
knowledge that’s valuable right and in constructing
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[ramsey_d_smith]: m
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[david_macchia]: someone’s
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[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
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[david_macchia]: foundational life right in terms of finance
all of it matters it’s just not one
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[david_macchia]: perspective that matters
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[ramsey_d_smith]: ye
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[david_macchia]: all the perspectives matter and so my
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[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
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[david_macchia]: my hope is that
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[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
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[david_macchia]: no matter what area of financial services
you’re you’re from and no matter how you
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[david_macchia]: are regulated
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[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
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[david_macchia]: and what you all yourself on your
business card you have a place to contribute
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[ramsey_d_smith]: m
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[david_macchia]: here and so i didn’t define any
platform or idea of how this should you
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[david_macchia]: play out what we will do is
we’ll create a curriculum
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[paul_tyler]: s
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[david_macchia]: you know that the people can run
with that that is addresses all the areas
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[david_macchia]: of finance that we need
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[ramsey_d_smith]: m
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[david_macchia]: to educate on
418
00:12:06,060 –> 00:12:06,810
[paul_tyler]: yeah
419
00:12:06,590 –> 00:12:07,314
[david_macchia]: that for sure will
420
00:12:07,175 –> 00:12:07,519
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
421
00:12:07,354 –> 00:12:07,435
[david_macchia]: do
422
00:12:08,921 –> 00:12:09,101
[paul_tyler]: you know
423
00:12:09,125 –> 00:12:09,470
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
424
00:12:09,181 –> 00:12:13,128
[paul_tyler]: m thinking back you know i’m sure
you have so mature boy harry stout’s book
425
00:12:13,248 –> 00:12:14,911
[paul_tyler]: you know the financial verse we had
harry
426
00:12:14,735 –> 00:12:14,996
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
427
00:12:14,971 –> 00:12:15,532
[paul_tyler]: stout on there
428
00:12:15,430 –> 00:12:15,572
[david_macchia]: yep
429
00:12:15,652 –> 00:12:15,792
[paul_tyler]: he’s
430
00:12:17,114 –> 00:12:17,135
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
431
00:12:17,141 –> 00:12:17,285
[david_macchia]: yep
432
00:12:17,495 –> 00:12:18,958
[paul_tyler]: you’ve got a good set of books
433
00:12:18,840 –> 00:12:18,860
[david_macchia]: m
434
00:12:19,038 –> 00:12:20,240
[paul_tyler]: there i’m sure so
435
00:12:20,504 –> 00:12:20,525
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
436
00:12:20,623 –> 00:12:21,227
[paul_tyler]: harry love the
437
00:12:21,200 –> 00:12:21,344
[david_macchia]: yep
438
00:12:21,267 –> 00:12:22,656
[paul_tyler]: cardinal with you on something like this
439
00:12:23,600 –> 00:12:24,483
[david_macchia]: yeah i like harry
440
00:12:24,365 –> 00:12:24,385
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
441
00:12:24,703 –> 00:12:25,746
[david_macchia]: i can talk to harry about it
442
00:12:25,740 –> 00:12:25,820
[paul_tyler]: ah
443
00:12:25,787 –> 00:12:26,128
[david_macchia]: for sure
444
00:12:26,761 –> 00:12:30,826
[paul_tyler]: so this is cool i think this
is great now david any way we can
445
00:12:30,886 –> 00:12:32,167
[paul_tyler]: help you know let us know
446
00:12:32,564 –> 00:12:32,585
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
447
00:12:34,440 –> 00:12:34,982
[david_macchia]: thank you polly
448
00:12:35,021 –> 00:12:36,243
[paul_tyler]: yeah i had a question
449
00:12:35,867 –> 00:12:36,464
[ramsey_d_smith]: and then what
450
00:12:36,624 –> 00:12:37,225
[paul_tyler]: on financial
451
00:12:37,175 –> 00:12:37,482
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
452
00:12:37,505 –> 00:12:38,467
[paul_tyler]: you now what his financial
453
00:12:38,165 –> 00:12:38,407
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
454
00:12:38,527 –> 00:12:41,873
[paul_tyler]: literacy came in from from you know
writer
455
00:12:41,855 –> 00:12:42,120
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
456
00:12:42,750 –> 00:12:43,013
[david_macchia]: oh
457
00:12:42,995 –> 00:12:45,859
[paul_tyler]: s a couple of days ago and
that was that was a hard question david
458
00:12:46,181 –> 00:12:48,150
[paul_tyler]: how what is financial literacy how do
459
00:12:48,185 –> 00:12:48,205
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
460
00:12:48,210 –> 00:12:51,112
[paul_tyler]: you answer that question oh
461
00:12:51,341 –> 00:12:55,528
[david_macchia]: well i think it’s what we don’t
teach in school right we do an awful
462
00:12:55,503 –> 00:12:55,603
[paul_tyler]: it’s
463
00:12:55,608 –> 00:12:55,868
[david_macchia]: job
464
00:12:55,663 –> 00:12:56,145
[paul_tyler]: a negative
465
00:12:55,895 –> 00:12:55,915
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
466
00:12:56,626 –> 00:12:56,846
[paul_tyler]: yes
467
00:12:57,110 –> 00:12:57,791
[david_macchia]: we do an awful
468
00:12:57,819 –> 00:12:57,839
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
469
00:12:57,891 –> 00:12:58,312
[david_macchia]: job of
470
00:12:58,782 –> 00:12:58,966
[paul_tyler]: yeah
471
00:12:58,853 –> 00:12:59,294
[david_macchia]: failing
472
00:12:59,610 –> 00:12:59,793
[paul_tyler]: oh
473
00:12:59,694 –> 00:13:00,656
[david_macchia]: to educate people
474
00:13:00,344 –> 00:13:00,365
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
475
00:13:00,690 –> 00:13:01,560
[paul_tyler]: yeah
476
00:13:00,875 –> 00:13:01,159
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
477
00:13:00,896 –> 00:13:05,464
[david_macchia]: on on understanding how to build wealth
how to avoid debt how to
478
00:13:05,550 –> 00:13:05,791
[paul_tyler]: yeah
479
00:13:05,584 –> 00:13:07,027
[david_macchia]: avoid extraneous costs
480
00:13:07,140 –> 00:13:07,340
[paul_tyler]: yeah
481
00:13:07,207 –> 00:13:11,895
[david_macchia]: that deprive people of having you know
wealth how to live within a budget what
482
00:13:11,935 –> 00:13:15,220
[david_macchia]: does a budget even mean how to
have a personal finance statement
483
00:13:15,270 –> 00:13:16,050
[paul_tyler]: oh
484
00:13:16,062 –> 00:13:22,352
[david_macchia]: this is basic stuff but it’s not
something that people are taught and you know
485
00:13:22,412 –> 00:13:25,998
[david_macchia]: and then when you get into the
more you know older people in retirement it
486
00:13:26,038 –> 00:13:27,260
[david_macchia]: gets even more omplicated
487
00:13:26,744 –> 00:13:26,765
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
488
00:13:27,360 –> 00:13:27,645
[paul_tyler]: oh
489
00:13:27,845 –> 00:13:27,865
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
490
00:13:28,042 –> 00:13:31,107
[david_macchia]: you know how do you think about
social security how s that handle how do
491
00:13:31,167 –> 00:13:34,513
[david_macchia]: you use money to create income there’s
492
00:13:34,475 –> 00:13:35,083
[ramsey_d_smith]: ye
493
00:13:34,613 –> 00:13:37,377
[david_macchia]: so many issues there’s so many issues
and such a deficit
494
00:13:37,274 –> 00:13:37,295
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
495
00:13:37,658 –> 00:13:39,623
[david_macchia]: of understanding knowledge about them
496
00:13:39,810 –> 00:13:40,560
[paul_tyler]: yeah
497
00:13:40,505 –> 00:13:41,375
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
498
00:13:40,566 –> 00:13:43,838
[david_macchia]: and that’s where i think we can
we can make a tangible impact
499
00:13:44,653 –> 00:13:44,733
[paul_tyler]: what
500
00:13:44,684 –> 00:13:44,705
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
501
00:13:44,773 –> 00:13:49,004
[paul_tyler]: do you think is financial literacy a
course i take and a grade that i
502
00:13:49,104 –> 00:13:49,745
[paul_tyler]: receive like
503
00:13:50,100 –> 00:13:50,362
[david_macchia]: yah
504
00:13:50,106 –> 00:13:50,828
[paul_tyler]: it pass fail
505
00:13:51,028 –> 00:13:51,150
[david_macchia]: yah
506
00:13:51,390 –> 00:13:51,793
[paul_tyler]: yeah
507
00:13:52,209 –> 00:13:54,372
[ramsey_d_smith]: you know it’s it’s interesting a view
financial
508
00:13:54,060 –> 00:13:55,170
[paul_tyler]: oh
509
00:13:54,433 –> 00:13:55,494
[ramsey_d_smith]: literacy is something
510
00:13:55,290 –> 00:13:56,610
[paul_tyler]: yeah
511
00:13:55,554 –> 00:14:02,025
[ramsey_d_smith]: that’s a that’s developed over a lifetime
right because things change both like what available
512
00:14:02,085 –> 00:14:04,269
[ramsey_d_smith]: in the market the market itself as
well as like
513
00:14:04,261 –> 00:14:04,342
[paul_tyler]: we
514
00:14:04,309 –> 00:14:05,591
[ramsey_d_smith]: your personal situation so
515
00:14:05,700 –> 00:14:05,920
[david_macchia]: oh
516
00:14:07,013 –> 00:14:10,159
[ramsey_d_smith]: as much as anything else i kind
of think of financial literacy as
517
00:14:10,500 –> 00:14:10,683
[david_macchia]: oh
518
00:14:10,740 –> 00:14:15,868
[ramsey_d_smith]: as a habit you develop the expectation
you’re never going to get it exactly right
519
00:14:16,169 –> 00:14:20,616
[ramsey_d_smith]: but it’s better to make make decisions
than to succumb
520
00:14:20,580 –> 00:14:22,050
[paul_tyler]: yeah
521
00:14:20,656 –> 00:14:22,179
[ramsey_d_smith]: to not making decisions which usually
522
00:14:22,080 –> 00:14:22,100
[paul_tyler]: m
523
00:14:22,219 –> 00:14:27,628
[ramsey_d_smith]: are where the biggest mistakes happening with
respect to once personal finances so i’ve
524
00:14:27,474 –> 00:14:27,990
[paul_tyler]: right
525
00:14:27,690 –> 00:14:27,771
[david_macchia]: ah
526
00:14:28,289 –> 00:14:31,234
[ramsey_d_smith]: i’ve become a bit cynical in that
i used to think you could truly solve
527
00:14:31,294 –> 00:14:34,479
[ramsey_d_smith]: financial literacy and if you just sort
of taught it better and i think that
528
00:14:34,539 –> 00:14:37,625
[ramsey_d_smith]: actually it’s more of an attitude than
anything else
529
00:14:37,980 –> 00:14:38,000
[david_macchia]: m
530
00:14:38,145 –> 00:14:38,265
[ramsey_d_smith]: and
531
00:14:38,191 –> 00:14:38,271
[paul_tyler]: ah
532
00:14:38,986 –> 00:14:41,649
[ramsey_d_smith]: and so that’s why that’s why tools
like this need to be available
533
00:14:41,532 –> 00:14:41,613
[paul_tyler]: ah
534
00:14:41,689 –> 00:14:42,029
[ramsey_d_smith]: to people so
535
00:14:42,000 –> 00:14:42,020
[david_macchia]: m
536
00:14:42,049 –> 00:14:42,509
[ramsey_d_smith]: they can start
537
00:14:42,480 –> 00:14:42,742
[paul_tyler]: oh
538
00:14:43,210 –> 00:14:46,714
[ramsey_d_smith]: thinking about it in corporate ncorporating into
their right in their daily lives
539
00:14:46,981 –> 00:14:47,922
[paul_tyler]: yeah i like the
540
00:14:47,872 –> 00:14:47,892
[david_macchia]: i
541
00:14:47,962 –> 00:14:49,184
[paul_tyler]: word actions david i mean
542
00:14:49,286 –> 00:14:49,487
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
543
00:14:49,525 –> 00:14:51,648
[paul_tyler]: what would you i mean i go
544
00:14:51,755 –> 00:14:52,895
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
545
00:14:51,789 –> 00:14:54,994
[paul_tyler]: through i you know i received
546
00:14:54,545 –> 00:14:54,867
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
547
00:14:56,316 –> 00:14:56,797
[paul_tyler]: counseling
548
00:14:56,739 –> 00:14:56,760
[david_macchia]: m
549
00:14:56,897 –> 00:14:58,339
[paul_tyler]: from you know somebody in a program
550
00:14:58,380 –> 00:14:58,604
[david_macchia]: oh
551
00:14:58,520 –> 00:14:59,981
[paul_tyler]: my financially literate in life
552
00:15:00,060 –> 00:15:00,080
[david_macchia]: m
553
00:15:00,181 –> 00:15:00,662
[paul_tyler]: financially
554
00:15:00,335 –> 00:15:00,576
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
555
00:15:00,722 –> 00:15:01,322
[paul_tyler]: empowered
556
00:15:01,775 –> 00:15:01,795
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
557
00:15:02,303 –> 00:15:03,685
[paul_tyler]: in my financially
558
00:15:03,480 –> 00:15:03,662
[david_macchia]: yeah
559
00:15:05,727 –> 00:15:06,147
[paul_tyler]: aware
560
00:15:07,842 –> 00:15:08,243
[david_macchia]: well i think
561
00:15:08,276 –> 00:15:08,296
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
562
00:15:08,283 –> 00:15:08,964
[david_macchia]: of it as confident
563
00:15:09,140 –> 00:15:09,302
[paul_tyler]: yeah
564
00:15:09,805 –> 00:15:10,066
[david_macchia]: i mean if
565
00:15:10,175 –> 00:15:10,195
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
566
00:15:10,286 –> 00:15:12,009
[david_macchia]: we can make people financially confident
567
00:15:12,055 –> 00:15:12,598
[ramsey_d_smith]: it’s a good word
568
00:15:12,950 –> 00:15:13,830
[paul_tyler]: yeah
569
00:15:13,220 –> 00:15:14,544
[david_macchia]: that’s that’s that’s
570
00:15:14,517 –> 00:15:14,660
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
571
00:15:14,625 –> 00:15:15,468
[david_macchia]: a real accomplishment
572
00:15:15,650 –> 00:15:18,317
[paul_tyler]: natural clinfrence although sometimes you can’t use
confrentwen should be
573
00:15:20,141 –> 00:15:24,350
[david_macchia]: perhaps yeah but i think if you
were to somehow pull people and so you
574
00:15:24,470 –> 00:15:25,893
[david_macchia]: really confident about finances
575
00:15:25,582 –> 00:15:25,804
[paul_tyler]: right
576
00:15:26,154 –> 00:15:26,895
[david_macchia]: i think a lot of people
577
00:15:26,850 –> 00:15:27,320
[paul_tyler]: oh
578
00:15:26,935 –> 00:15:27,076
[david_macchia]: would
579
00:15:27,014 –> 00:15:27,035
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
580
00:15:27,116 –> 00:15:27,396
[david_macchia]: say no
581
00:15:28,214 –> 00:15:29,915
[ramsey_d_smith]: m yah
582
00:15:28,310 –> 00:15:31,494
[paul_tyler]: yeah we got we should we got
to come up with a word for this
583
00:15:32,074 –> 00:15:33,436
[paul_tyler]: ramsey we’ve got it right
584
00:15:33,908 –> 00:15:34,068
[ramsey_d_smith]: but i
585
00:15:34,080 –> 00:15:34,361
[david_macchia]: yeah
586
00:15:34,168 –> 00:15:38,375
[ramsey_d_smith]: like i like things around like attitude
and confidence i like things that are described
587
00:15:38,415 –> 00:15:39,076
[ramsey_d_smith]: behaviorly
588
00:15:40,050 –> 00:15:40,251
[paul_tyler]: oh
589
00:15:40,058 –> 00:15:40,218
[ramsey_d_smith]: right
590
00:15:40,176 –> 00:15:40,770
[david_macchia]: hm
591
00:15:40,438 –> 00:15:41,881
[ramsey_d_smith]: just because i think it’s
592
00:15:42,030 –> 00:15:42,630
[paul_tyler]: yeah
593
00:15:42,802 –> 00:15:46,829
[ramsey_d_smith]: i think it’s i think it’s an
going process and an attitude is opposed to
594
00:15:47,230 –> 00:15:49,253
[ramsey_d_smith]: you know i got i got the
diploma
595
00:15:49,290 –> 00:15:49,552
[paul_tyler]: oh
596
00:15:49,754 –> 00:15:50,656
[ramsey_d_smith]: and now it all works
597
00:15:51,050 –> 00:15:51,232
[paul_tyler]: yeah
598
00:15:51,216 –> 00:15:54,662
[ramsey_d_smith]: right it’s it’s discipline right like it’s
599
00:15:54,911 –> 00:15:56,737
[paul_tyler]: he
600
00:15:55,464 –> 00:15:59,450
[ramsey_d_smith]: t’s up quote harry stout is like
it’s it’s eating brocoli you know when you
601
00:15:59,490 –> 00:16:00,151
[ramsey_d_smith]: want to eat doughnuts
602
00:16:01,000 –> 00:16:01,161
[david_macchia]: yeah
603
00:16:01,253 –> 00:16:01,714
[ramsey_d_smith]: i’m loosely
604
00:16:01,948 –> 00:16:02,110
[david_macchia]: yeah
605
00:16:02,215 –> 00:16:06,642
[ramsey_d_smith]: i’m loosely i’m loosely i’m loosely paraphrasing
him but but that’s the idea
606
00:16:06,600 –> 00:16:06,843
[paul_tyler]: oh
607
00:16:06,722 –> 00:16:09,991
[ramsey_d_smith]: it’s like it’s behave pieces are really
very important
608
00:16:10,230 –> 00:16:10,515
[paul_tyler]: oh
609
00:16:10,551 –> 00:16:11,416
[david_macchia]: yeah huge
610
00:16:11,590 –> 00:16:12,571
[paul_tyler]: so okay david
611
00:16:12,390 –> 00:16:12,410
[david_macchia]: m
612
00:16:12,591 –> 00:16:13,552
[paul_tyler]: you’ve been out about
613
00:16:14,139 –> 00:16:14,160
[david_macchia]: m
614
00:16:14,514 –> 00:16:20,122
[paul_tyler]: maybe we talked about just the industry
as a whole so i mean what’s happening
615
00:16:20,503 –> 00:16:22,389
[paul_tyler]: wow every time i open
616
00:16:22,434 –> 00:16:22,474
[david_macchia]: m
617
00:16:22,629 –> 00:16:23,311
[paul_tyler]: the new site
618
00:16:23,525 –> 00:16:24,455
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
619
00:16:24,134 –> 00:16:24,756
[paul_tyler]: the environment
620
00:16:24,459 –> 00:16:24,684
[david_macchia]: m oh
621
00:16:24,796 –> 00:16:25,538
[paul_tyler]: has changed
622
00:16:27,035 –> 00:16:27,317
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
623
00:16:27,763 –> 00:16:28,123
[david_macchia]: so much
624
00:16:28,980 –> 00:16:29,240
[paul_tyler]: yeah
625
00:16:29,193 –> 00:16:29,375
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
626
00:16:29,305 –> 00:16:29,465
[david_macchia]: well
627
00:16:29,585 –> 00:16:29,867
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
628
00:16:29,726 –> 00:16:33,652
[david_macchia]: i think we were on the other
side of a fourteen year bull
629
00:16:33,494 –> 00:16:33,515
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
630
00:16:33,733 –> 00:16:34,093
[david_macchia]: market
631
00:16:34,260 –> 00:16:35,149
[paul_tyler]: yea
632
00:16:34,734 –> 00:16:34,914
[david_macchia]: that
633
00:16:34,805 –> 00:16:36,785
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
634
00:16:35,335 –> 00:16:40,223
[david_macchia]: essentially was engineered to be a bull
market physical policy unprecedented
635
00:16:39,999 –> 00:16:40,020
[paul_tyler]: m
636
00:16:40,263 –> 00:16:42,407
[david_macchia]: levels of physical policy stimulus and
637
00:16:42,635 –> 00:16:43,775
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
638
00:16:43,308 –> 00:16:45,192
[david_macchia]: and the creation of nine trillion
639
00:16:45,187 –> 00:16:45,208
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
640
00:16:45,252 –> 00:16:47,836
[david_macchia]: dollars by the federal reserve which drove
641
00:16:47,675 –> 00:16:47,958
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
642
00:16:47,956 –> 00:16:50,962
[david_macchia]: acid prices you know the stratispheric low
s and
643
00:16:51,005 –> 00:16:51,288
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
644
00:16:51,022 –> 00:16:54,589
[david_macchia]: i think we’re seeing the other side
of you know the inevitable counter than that
645
00:16:54,769 –> 00:16:54,870
[david_macchia]: now
646
00:16:55,873 –> 00:16:55,955
[paul_tyler]: ah
647
00:16:55,932 –> 00:16:58,978
[david_macchia]: i write about an index called the
wealth to income ratio
648
00:16:59,490 –> 00:16:59,692
[paul_tyler]: yeah
649
00:17:00,330 –> 00:17:01,151
[david_macchia]: and if
650
00:17:01,128 –> 00:17:01,230
[paul_tyler]: yeah
651
00:17:01,191 –> 00:17:02,473
[david_macchia]: you look at that so this is
a
652
00:17:02,465 –> 00:17:02,689
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
653
00:17:02,713 –> 00:17:08,792
[david_macchia]: federal reserve published index that’s been out
for sixty eight years in over sixty
654
00:17:08,550 –> 00:17:08,791
[paul_tyler]: oh
655
00:17:08,555 –> 00:17:08,737
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
656
00:17:08,852 –> 00:17:09,653
[david_macchia]: eight years it has a
657
00:17:09,873 –> 00:17:10,257
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah yeah
658
00:17:10,475 –> 00:17:12,559
[david_macchia]: long term average of five hundred and
fifty per cent
659
00:17:12,635 –> 00:17:13,595
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
660
00:17:13,660 –> 00:17:18,175
[david_macchia]: and occasionally it pops up to you
know high new heights well it did so
661
00:17:18,256 –> 00:17:21,621
[david_macchia]: in two thousand just before the tech
crash it went up to i think
662
00:17:21,524 –> 00:17:21,545
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
663
00:17:21,722 –> 00:17:25,745
[david_macchia]: six hundred and fifteen and then in
september of two
664
00:17:25,740 –> 00:17:25,961
[paul_tyler]: yeah
665
00:17:25,805 –> 00:17:26,526
[david_macchia]: thousand seven
666
00:17:27,189 –> 00:17:27,330
[paul_tyler]: yeah
667
00:17:27,247 –> 00:17:27,607
[david_macchia]: it rose
668
00:17:27,545 –> 00:17:28,385
[ramsey_d_smith]: yah
669
00:17:27,687 –> 00:17:32,253
[david_macchia]: to an all time high of six
hundred seventy only to result a few months
670
00:17:32,333 –> 00:17:36,892
[david_macchia]: later in the crash of two thousand
eight right back to its long term average
671
00:17:36,695 –> 00:17:36,955
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
672
00:17:37,353 –> 00:17:41,460
[david_macchia]: right it did that after two thousand
do that after two thousand eight well what’s
673
00:17:41,500 –> 00:17:46,488
[david_macchia]: happened since you know this bull market
has brought the index up to eight hundred
674
00:17:46,528 –> 00:17:48,593
[david_macchia]: and eighteen that’s literally off the charts
675
00:17:48,960 –> 00:17:51,090
[paul_tyler]: yeah
676
00:17:49,194 –> 00:17:53,253
[david_macchia]: and what we’ve seen is some falling
back i wrote an article which is the
677
00:17:53,413 –> 00:17:55,657
[david_macchia]: advisor perspectives dot com
678
00:17:55,470 –> 00:17:55,692
[paul_tyler]: yeah
679
00:17:55,505 –> 00:17:55,767
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
680
00:17:56,598 –> 00:17:57,520
[david_macchia]: saying that prepared for
681
00:17:57,585 –> 00:17:57,705
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
682
00:17:58,021 –> 00:18:01,767
[david_macchia]: for the destruction of thirty four trillion
dollars in wealth assets
683
00:18:02,045 –> 00:18:03,035
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
684
00:18:02,729 –> 00:18:04,391
[david_macchia]: in that simple
685
00:18:04,625 –> 00:18:04,645
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
686
00:18:04,772 –> 00:18:08,939
[david_macchia]: because when the index comes back down
again to its long term average
687
00:18:08,864 –> 00:18:08,885
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
688
00:18:08,979 –> 00:18:10,221
[david_macchia]: it’s going to be totally
689
00:18:10,120 –> 00:18:10,181
[ramsey_d_smith]: ah
690
00:18:10,441 –> 00:18:15,109
[david_macchia]: destroying fifty trillion dollars so sixteen traliumhas
already been destroyed from
691
00:18:15,030 –> 00:18:15,333
[paul_tyler]: oh
692
00:18:15,149 –> 00:18:18,074
[david_macchia]: the actions we’ve had earlier this year
if we go back to the long term
693
00:18:18,114 –> 00:18:19,156
[david_macchia]: maria be a total of fifty
694
00:18:19,230 –> 00:18:20,358
[paul_tyler]: yes
695
00:18:19,236 –> 00:18:21,560
[david_macchia]: trillion dollars that’s destroyed so what
696
00:18:21,600 –> 00:18:21,900
[paul_tyler]: oh
697
00:18:21,600 –> 00:18:23,964
[david_macchia]: does that mean well i think it’s
going
698
00:18:23,975 –> 00:18:24,256
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
699
00:18:23,984 –> 00:18:26,648
[david_macchia]: to bring things more into balance you
know it’s going
700
00:18:26,585 –> 00:18:26,889
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
701
00:18:26,689 –> 00:18:29,461
[david_macchia]: to be brilliantly attractive
702
00:18:29,199 –> 00:18:29,220
[paul_tyler]: m
703
00:18:29,501 –> 00:18:30,607
[david_macchia]: for the annuity business
704
00:18:31,424 –> 00:18:31,445
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
705
00:18:31,590 –> 00:18:32,692
[david_macchia]: we’re already seeing you know
706
00:18:32,652 –> 00:18:33,038
[paul_tyler]: of course
707
00:18:32,932 –> 00:18:37,720
[david_macchia]: assets move into annuities the mica business
is very very robust as you know the
708
00:18:37,780 –> 00:18:38,702
[david_macchia]: indexanuity business
709
00:18:38,765 –> 00:18:39,047
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
710
00:18:38,782 –> 00:18:40,725
[david_macchia]: is very robust people
711
00:18:40,934 –> 00:18:40,955
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
712
00:18:41,146 –> 00:18:43,009
[david_macchia]: seeking safety i tell
713
00:18:42,905 –> 00:18:42,925
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
714
00:18:43,069 –> 00:18:46,620
[david_macchia]: it as there’s you know those of
you who believe in safety believe in protection
715
00:18:46,761 –> 00:18:47,704
[david_macchia]: believe and guaranteed
716
00:18:47,564 –> 00:18:47,916
[ramsey_d_smith]: m oh
717
00:18:47,784 –> 00:18:48,727
[david_macchia]: income your day has come
718
00:18:49,284 –> 00:18:49,424
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
719
00:18:49,830 –> 00:18:50,250
[david_macchia]: and i think
720
00:18:50,135 –> 00:18:51,425
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
721
00:18:50,330 –> 00:18:54,895
[david_macchia]: it’s it’s likely to remain this way
for for some time so the outlook for
722
00:18:54,935 –> 00:18:56,796
[david_macchia]: annuity sales i think you know
723
00:18:56,818 –> 00:18:56,899
[ramsey_d_smith]: ah
724
00:18:56,996 –> 00:18:59,379
[david_macchia]: given everything that’s happening is it is
very very positive
725
00:19:00,611 –> 00:19:01,292
[paul_tyler]: yeah it’s
726
00:19:01,295 –> 00:19:01,925
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
727
00:19:02,213 –> 00:19:02,814
[paul_tyler]: it’s interesting now
728
00:19:02,760 –> 00:19:02,780
[david_macchia]: m
729
00:19:03,035 –> 00:19:05,018
[paul_tyler]: as of the recording dat
730
00:19:04,860 –> 00:19:05,081
[david_macchia]: oh
731
00:19:05,459 –> 00:19:07,402
[paul_tyler]: okay we just know the c p
i came
732
00:19:07,325 –> 00:19:07,345
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
733
00:19:07,482 –> 00:19:08,363
[paul_tyler]: out lations higher
734
00:19:09,875 –> 00:19:10,176
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
735
00:19:09,946 –> 00:19:14,814
[paul_tyler]: market went down rates short term rites
i guess even in your treasury
736
00:19:15,270 –> 00:19:15,513
[david_macchia]: oh
737
00:19:15,576 –> 00:19:19,863
[paul_tyler]: went higher but it’s still an inverted
yield curve and ramsey
738
00:19:19,680 –> 00:19:19,700
[david_macchia]: m
739
00:19:19,883 –> 00:19:25,598
[paul_tyler]: whatever we saw happened with mica i
mean it if i’m not sure or you
740
00:19:25,618 –> 00:19:26,443
[paul_tyler]: think this is going
741
00:19:26,700 –> 00:19:26,720
[david_macchia]: m
742
00:19:27,663 –> 00:19:29,145
[ramsey_d_smith]: in terms of in terms of rates
743
00:19:29,391 –> 00:19:30,092
[paul_tyler]: rats yeah
744
00:19:30,367 –> 00:19:31,209
[ramsey_d_smith]: i mean rates have gone
745
00:19:31,221 –> 00:19:31,241
[david_macchia]: a
746
00:19:31,269 –> 00:19:33,933
[ramsey_d_smith]: up a lot so they’re definitely much
more attractive
747
00:19:33,690 –> 00:19:34,053
[david_macchia]: yes
748
00:19:34,013 –> 00:19:39,262
[ramsey_d_smith]: and they’re getting much deserved visibility on
the back of that you know
749
00:19:39,270 –> 00:19:39,472
[paul_tyler]: oh
750
00:19:41,145 –> 00:19:41,386
[ramsey_d_smith]: i look
751
00:19:41,290 –> 00:19:41,452
[paul_tyler]: look
752
00:19:41,426 –> 00:19:44,771
[ramsey_d_smith]: at it i still wonder if if
the investments that back
753
00:19:44,610 –> 00:19:45,154
[david_macchia]: oh
754
00:19:44,831 –> 00:19:46,655
[ramsey_d_smith]: them you know how they match up
with it
755
00:19:46,740 –> 00:19:47,245
[david_macchia]: oh
756
00:19:46,895 –> 00:19:50,301
[ramsey_d_smith]: so sing you know in the high
end sometimes but for sure
757
00:19:50,340 –> 00:19:51,810
[paul_tyler]: yeah
758
00:19:51,262 –> 00:19:55,449
[ramsey_d_smith]: for sure rates are higher they should
be higher and and more and
759
00:19:55,380 –> 00:19:55,641
[david_macchia]: oh
760
00:19:55,489 –> 00:19:55,870
[ramsey_d_smith]: more people
761
00:19:55,710 –> 00:19:56,310
[paul_tyler]: yeah
762
00:19:55,910 –> 00:19:58,094
[ramsey_d_smith]: should be looking at them as a
really attractive
763
00:19:57,810 –> 00:19:57,830
[david_macchia]: m
764
00:19:58,154 –> 00:19:58,614
[ramsey_d_smith]: alternative
765
00:19:58,770 –> 00:19:58,990
[paul_tyler]: yeah
766
00:19:58,775 –> 00:20:00,761
[ramsey_d_smith]: c d is which is really the
best way to think about
767
00:20:00,677 –> 00:20:00,918
[paul_tyler]: pop
768
00:20:00,801 –> 00:20:01,343
[ramsey_d_smith]: them in my view
769
00:20:01,811 –> 00:20:01,971
[paul_tyler]: yes
770
00:20:02,381 –> 00:20:04,348
[david_macchia]: i agree with that in bonds to
some extent
771
00:20:04,345 –> 00:20:05,167
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah and bonton
772
00:20:05,301 –> 00:20:06,052
[david_macchia]: yep yep
773
00:20:06,584 –> 00:20:08,547
[paul_tyler]: right we’ll just say from from a
care perspective
774
00:20:08,640 –> 00:20:08,881
[david_macchia]: oh
775
00:20:08,708 –> 00:20:08,848
[paul_tyler]: like
776
00:20:08,945 –> 00:20:09,186
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
777
00:20:09,269 –> 00:20:11,813
[paul_tyler]: we target these migrates okay we’re not
on to be the best
778
00:20:11,945 –> 00:20:12,248
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
779
00:20:11,993 –> 00:20:13,976
[paul_tyler]: one we’re gonna try to go to
number
780
00:20:14,015 –> 00:20:14,975
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
781
00:20:14,097 –> 00:20:18,487
[paul_tyler]: two we’ve done that certain months and
you know by the time
782
00:20:18,224 –> 00:20:18,245
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
783
00:20:18,390 –> 00:20:18,410
[david_macchia]: m
784
00:20:19,730 –> 00:20:21,573
[paul_tyler]: you know it takes time once you
decide
785
00:20:21,558 –> 00:20:21,640
[ramsey_d_smith]: ah
786
00:20:21,894 –> 00:20:26,661
[paul_tyler]: set their rates and go and change
the systems put it out you’re talking about
787
00:20:26,722 –> 00:20:30,067
[paul_tyler]: a seven eight day lag but the
time we get there okay we’re now number
788
00:20:30,167 –> 00:20:31,269
[paul_tyler]: four number five number
789
00:20:31,320 –> 00:20:31,340
[david_macchia]: m
790
00:20:31,349 –> 00:20:31,449
[paul_tyler]: six
791
00:20:31,655 –> 00:20:31,675
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
792
00:20:32,631 –> 00:20:33,693
[paul_tyler]: it’s been a real it’s
793
00:20:33,699 –> 00:20:33,720
[david_macchia]: m
794
00:20:33,733 –> 00:20:37,459
[paul_tyler]: an arms race on the migetfront which
has been good for
795
00:20:37,634 –> 00:20:37,655
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
796
00:20:37,720 –> 00:20:40,665
[paul_tyler]: i think good for consumer as good
probably not great
797
00:20:40,550 –> 00:20:40,773
[david_macchia]: yes
798
00:20:40,964 –> 00:20:40,985
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
799
00:20:41,727 –> 00:20:42,147
[paul_tyler]: would be great
800
00:20:42,180 –> 00:20:42,423
[david_macchia]: oh
801
00:20:42,187 –> 00:20:43,470
[paul_tyler]: if we didn’t have inflation david
802
00:20:43,535 –> 00:20:43,555
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
803
00:20:43,952 –> 00:20:44,475
[paul_tyler]: all right
804
00:20:45,905 –> 00:20:46,186
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
805
00:20:46,112 –> 00:20:47,695
[david_macchia]: well the real returns are still negative
806
00:20:47,900 –> 00:20:48,041
[paul_tyler]: yeah
807
00:20:47,945 –> 00:20:47,965
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
808
00:20:48,476 –> 00:20:51,001
[david_macchia]: you know because the inflation is so
high and you know
809
00:20:51,605 –> 00:20:51,810
[ramsey_d_smith]: ye
810
00:20:52,223 –> 00:20:53,545
[david_macchia]: the other side of inflation is
811
00:20:53,477 –> 00:20:53,498
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
812
00:20:53,605 –> 00:20:55,388
[david_macchia]: that the way we think about
813
00:20:55,325 –> 00:20:55,566
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
814
00:20:55,468 –> 00:20:58,331
[david_macchia]: inflation today it’s not the way we
thought about it say in the eighties or
815
00:20:58,385 –> 00:20:58,985
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
816
00:20:58,411 –> 00:20:59,993
[david_macchia]: nineties because if you
817
00:21:00,030 –> 00:21:00,213
[paul_tyler]: yeah
818
00:21:00,073 –> 00:21:01,875
[david_macchia]: go back and you use that methodology
819
00:21:01,350 –> 00:21:02,648
[paul_tyler]: yeah
820
00:21:01,935 –> 00:21:03,476
[david_macchia]: of how inflation was calculated
821
00:21:02,880 –> 00:21:03,870
[paul_tyler]: yeah
822
00:21:03,576 –> 00:21:03,776
[david_macchia]: then
823
00:21:04,235 –> 00:21:04,476
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
824
00:21:04,577 –> 00:21:08,382
[david_macchia]: the inflation rate today is really seventeen
per cent you can see this at the
825
00:21:08,422 –> 00:21:12,068
[david_macchia]: website called shadow government statistics dot com
what really under
826
00:21:12,150 –> 00:21:12,414
[paul_tyler]: oh
827
00:21:12,368 –> 00:21:15,894
[david_macchia]: under playing how deep inflation is becoming
and if you if you walked into a
828
00:21:15,934 –> 00:21:16,515
[david_macchia]: super market
829
00:21:16,551 –> 00:21:16,652
[paul_tyler]: oh
830
00:21:16,575 –> 00:21:19,099
[david_macchia]: you know lately you know that’s true
the price
831
00:21:18,995 –> 00:21:19,297
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
832
00:21:19,280 –> 00:21:21,574
[david_macchia]: and certain things are just you know
sky rocketed
833
00:21:21,660 –> 00:21:21,801
[paul_tyler]: yeah
834
00:21:21,765 –> 00:21:25,653
[ramsey_d_smith]: remember what some of the key differences
are or what were were there any there
835
00:21:25,693 –> 00:21:29,482
[ramsey_d_smith]: one or two things that oft stood
out to explain that that big difference in
836
00:21:29,542 –> 00:21:29,943
[ramsey_d_smith]: measurement
837
00:21:30,984 –> 00:21:31,164
[david_macchia]: yeah
838
00:21:31,680 –> 00:21:31,921
[paul_tyler]: yah
839
00:21:31,926 –> 00:21:33,088
[david_macchia]: i don’t know specifically remember
840
00:21:32,876 –> 00:21:33,017
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
841
00:21:33,168 –> 00:21:33,528
[david_macchia]: except to
842
00:21:33,589 –> 00:21:33,669
[paul_tyler]: ah
843
00:21:33,609 –> 00:21:36,033
[david_macchia]: say that in the calculation of the
c p i
844
00:21:36,350 –> 00:21:37,205
[ramsey_d_smith]: hm
845
00:21:36,814 –> 00:21:37,535
[david_macchia]: the waiting of
846
00:21:37,595 –> 00:21:37,876
[ramsey_d_smith]: yah
847
00:21:37,595 –> 00:21:39,118
[david_macchia]: certain factors and the inclusion of
848
00:21:39,083 –> 00:21:39,264
[ramsey_d_smith]: yah
849
00:21:39,198 –> 00:21:39,418
[david_macchia]: certain
850
00:21:39,435 –> 00:21:39,577
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
851
00:21:39,478 –> 00:21:40,059
[david_macchia]: factors or
852
00:21:40,505 –> 00:21:40,625
[ramsey_d_smith]: ye
853
00:21:40,861 –> 00:21:41,862
[david_macchia]: is where the difference is
854
00:21:41,996 –> 00:21:42,318
[ramsey_d_smith]: got it
855
00:21:42,570 –> 00:21:42,731
[paul_tyler]: yeah
856
00:21:42,924 –> 00:21:44,747
[david_macchia]: and i think i think there was
a there was an
857
00:21:44,744 –> 00:21:45,785
[ramsey_d_smith]: m oh
858
00:21:44,887 –> 00:21:47,792
[david_macchia]: urgency change this because when social
859
00:21:47,534 –> 00:21:47,555
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
860
00:21:47,852 –> 00:21:49,194
[david_macchia]: security became inflation
861
00:21:49,235 –> 00:21:49,498
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
862
00:21:49,255 –> 00:21:51,919
[david_macchia]: adjusted imagine if we were inflation
863
00:21:51,897 –> 00:21:51,958
[ramsey_d_smith]: ah
864
00:21:51,979 –> 00:21:53,021
[david_macchia]: adjust social security
865
00:21:52,925 –> 00:21:52,945
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
866
00:21:53,061 –> 00:21:53,522
[david_macchia]: at seventeen
867
00:21:53,370 –> 00:21:53,677
[paul_tyler]: oh
868
00:21:53,602 –> 00:21:56,087
[david_macchia]: per cent you know that would that
would have some
869
00:21:56,220 –> 00:21:56,381
[paul_tyler]: yeah
870
00:21:56,495 –> 00:21:56,817
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
871
00:21:56,828 –> 00:21:58,571
[david_macchia]: significant ramifications in terms
872
00:21:58,355 –> 00:21:58,595
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
873
00:21:58,651 –> 00:22:00,455
[david_macchia]: of nations finances
874
00:22:00,600 –> 00:22:05,529
[paul_tyler]: right it’s you know inflation like inflation
is bad period i think the good news
875
00:22:05,569 –> 00:22:06,490
[paul_tyler]: is with our products and
876
00:22:06,515 –> 00:22:06,716
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
877
00:22:06,530 –> 00:22:08,614
[paul_tyler]: what we’re delivering for for consumers is
878
00:22:08,555 –> 00:22:08,777
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
879
00:22:08,714 –> 00:22:10,256
[paul_tyler]: it’s a good defensive play
880
00:22:10,119 –> 00:22:10,140
[david_macchia]: m
881
00:22:10,857 –> 00:22:12,460
[paul_tyler]: probably one of the best defensive play
if you’re
882
00:22:12,395 –> 00:22:13,325
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
883
00:22:12,500 –> 00:22:14,744
[paul_tyler]: on fixed income today so you know
my rates
884
00:22:14,537 –> 00:22:14,679
[ramsey_d_smith]: ah
885
00:22:15,285 –> 00:22:15,526
[paul_tyler]: the god
886
00:22:15,545 –> 00:22:15,565
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
887
00:22:15,987 –> 00:22:17,489
[paul_tyler]: like looks like word for another
888
00:22:17,285 –> 00:22:18,035
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
889
00:22:18,090 –> 00:22:20,375
[paul_tyler]: you know rise and rates here i
think
890
00:22:21,030 –> 00:22:21,050
[david_macchia]: m
891
00:22:21,136 –> 00:22:25,805
[paul_tyler]: you know david you know guaranteed income
will go up right because
892
00:22:26,615 –> 00:22:26,635
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
893
00:22:26,890 –> 00:22:28,873
[paul_tyler]: rates are going up cares can afford
to
894
00:22:29,075 –> 00:22:29,396
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
895
00:22:29,795 –> 00:22:31,918
[paul_tyler]: you know raise caps or participation rates
896
00:22:32,975 –> 00:22:33,358
[ramsey_d_smith]: ye
897
00:22:33,160 –> 00:22:33,601
[paul_tyler]: so i think
898
00:22:33,870 –> 00:22:33,890
[david_macchia]: m
899
00:22:34,042 –> 00:22:35,424
[paul_tyler]: from advisor perspective
900
00:22:35,204 –> 00:22:35,225
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
901
00:22:35,544 –> 00:22:40,054
[paul_tyler]: they’ll be able to deliver more value
on paper you know to clients up for
902
00:22:40,074 –> 00:22:40,155
[paul_tyler]: the
903
00:22:40,160 –> 00:22:40,300
[david_macchia]: think
904
00:22:40,175 –> 00:22:40,315
[paul_tyler]: next
905
00:22:40,380 –> 00:22:40,420
[david_macchia]: i
906
00:22:40,436 –> 00:22:40,596
[paul_tyler]: three
907
00:22:40,460 –> 00:22:40,621
[david_macchia]: think
908
00:22:40,636 –> 00:22:40,837
[paul_tyler]: months
909
00:22:40,661 –> 00:22:44,768
[david_macchia]: that’s true i think that’s true and
just just before we leave inflation
910
00:22:45,224 –> 00:22:45,595
[ramsey_d_smith]: m m
911
00:22:45,849 –> 00:22:45,970
[david_macchia]: is
912
00:22:46,410 –> 00:22:46,670
[paul_tyler]: oh
913
00:22:46,911 –> 00:22:48,374
[david_macchia]: i think the point should be made
it’s
914
00:22:48,275 –> 00:22:48,516
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
915
00:22:48,414 –> 00:22:51,659
[david_macchia]: a very cruel reality because
916
00:22:51,960 –> 00:22:52,121
[paul_tyler]: it
917
00:22:52,220 –> 00:22:53,081
[david_macchia]: it hurts people
918
00:22:52,955 –> 00:22:53,403
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
919
00:22:53,162 –> 00:22:57,949
[david_macchia]: on fixed incomes it hurts people with
low incomes so much higher so much harder
920
00:22:58,010 –> 00:23:02,076
[david_macchia]: than than it hurts other people just
the gas tank you know and food just
921
00:23:02,156 –> 00:23:05,142
[david_macchia]: just gas and food i rocketed so
much
922
00:23:05,135 –> 00:23:05,475
[ramsey_d_smith]: my
923
00:23:07,566 –> 00:23:09,970
[david_macchia]: i don’t know if what the fat
is doing is the right policy of the
924
00:23:10,010 –> 00:23:11,553
[david_macchia]: wrong policy honestly i wish i knew
925
00:23:11,705 –> 00:23:11,987
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
926
00:23:12,395 –> 00:23:13,937
[david_macchia]: but we have to get inflation
927
00:23:13,829 –> 00:23:14,010
[paul_tyler]: yeah
928
00:23:13,904 –> 00:23:13,925
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
929
00:23:13,998 –> 00:23:14,498
[david_macchia]: of the control
930
00:23:14,790 –> 00:23:14,890
[paul_tyler]: oh
931
00:23:15,310 –> 00:23:17,355
[david_macchia]: because it’s like it’s like a huge
extra tax
932
00:23:17,700 –> 00:23:18,630
[paul_tyler]: yeah
933
00:23:18,077 –> 00:23:22,488
[david_macchia]: on people that’s that’s just totally destructive
to their personal financial health
934
00:23:23,111 –> 00:23:23,512
[paul_tyler]: yeah now
935
00:23:23,495 –> 00:23:23,978
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
936
00:23:24,553 –> 00:23:25,395
[paul_tyler]: my perspective
937
00:23:25,525 –> 00:23:25,666
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
938
00:23:25,655 –> 00:23:25,875
[paul_tyler]: is
939
00:23:26,910 –> 00:23:27,990
[david_macchia]: yeah
940
00:23:26,917 –> 00:23:27,498
[paul_tyler]: it’s global
941
00:23:27,305 –> 00:23:28,385
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
942
00:23:27,658 –> 00:23:28,680
[paul_tyler]: i mean a lot of people you
943
00:23:28,625 –> 00:23:28,928
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
944
00:23:28,860 –> 00:23:34,730
[paul_tyler]: want to blame our administration you listen
politicians have some impact you know can make
945
00:23:34,790 –> 00:23:41,622
[paul_tyler]: it worse make you now hard to
say than like better but our ports i
946
00:23:41,682 –> 00:23:41,882
[paul_tyler]: mean
947
00:23:42,305 –> 00:23:42,565
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
948
00:23:42,744 –> 00:23:44,547
[paul_tyler]: this the supply chain problem is
949
00:23:44,854 –> 00:23:44,954
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
950
00:23:45,188 –> 00:23:46,189
[paul_tyler]: going to go away right
951
00:23:46,085 –> 00:23:46,326
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
952
00:23:46,790 –> 00:23:49,695
[paul_tyler]: if you look at the us if
you look at the efficiency of the us
953
00:23:49,815 –> 00:23:50,256
[paul_tyler]: ports
954
00:23:50,615 –> 00:23:50,736
[ramsey_d_smith]: ye
955
00:23:51,258 –> 00:23:55,505
[paul_tyler]: um we’re not like you know we
were not in sort of
956
00:23:55,484 –> 00:23:55,505
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
957
00:23:55,545 –> 00:23:59,572
[paul_tyler]: the top twenty to twenty five most
efficient and
958
00:23:59,915 –> 00:23:59,935
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
959
00:24:00,012 –> 00:24:05,031
[paul_tyler]: imports of goods coming in so we
got a real bottle neck that going to
960
00:24:05,091 –> 00:24:08,521
[paul_tyler]: take a long time to change if
we can easily change it right because
961
00:24:08,495 –> 00:24:08,835
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
962
00:24:09,043 –> 00:24:15,914
[paul_tyler]: ships come into california southern california you
can’t build rails and highways through expensive real
963
00:24:15,954 –> 00:24:17,416
[paul_tyler]: estate her california
964
00:24:17,615 –> 00:24:17,836
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
965
00:24:17,796 –> 00:24:18,717
[paul_tyler]: to get goods out quicker
966
00:24:20,080 –> 00:24:20,561
[david_macchia]: that’s true
967
00:24:20,705 –> 00:24:20,725
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
968
00:24:20,982 –> 00:24:24,910
[david_macchia]: and i think one area though the
gummy can make a difference for good or
969
00:24:24,970 –> 00:24:28,638
[david_macchia]: bad is that i think we’ve had
a lot of increased regulation lately
970
00:24:28,835 –> 00:24:29,177
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
971
00:24:29,470 –> 00:24:34,780
[david_macchia]: which has had a detrimental impact on
the supply chain but you’re right it’s a
972
00:24:34,840 –> 00:24:36,523
[david_macchia]: really complex set of problems
973
00:24:36,261 –> 00:24:36,642
[paul_tyler]: well you know
974
00:24:36,766 –> 00:24:36,926
[ramsey_d_smith]: well
975
00:24:36,964 –> 00:24:37,425
[david_macchia]: it’s really
976
00:24:37,464 –> 00:24:37,605
[paul_tyler]: yeah
977
00:24:37,525 –> 00:24:37,846
[david_macchia]: come
978
00:24:37,925 –> 00:24:38,186
[paul_tyler]: brands
979
00:24:38,609 –> 00:24:40,392
[ramsey_d_smith]: i was i was just going to
say that i’m gonna i’m gonna
980
00:24:40,380 –> 00:24:40,662
[paul_tyler]: yeah
981
00:24:40,452 –> 00:24:43,257
[ramsey_d_smith]: hark back to something that i
982
00:24:43,260 –> 00:24:43,543
[paul_tyler]: oh
983
00:24:43,297 –> 00:24:43,717
[ramsey_d_smith]: don’t know if you
984
00:24:43,950 –> 00:24:44,254
[david_macchia]: oh
985
00:24:44,038 –> 00:24:45,941
[ramsey_d_smith]: if you said it in the in
the pre show or
986
00:24:46,290 –> 00:24:46,512
[david_macchia]: oh
987
00:24:46,562 –> 00:24:50,168
[ramsey_d_smith]: we were talking about travel and you
talk the fragility the fragility of
988
00:24:50,550 –> 00:24:50,570
[david_macchia]: m
989
00:24:50,849 –> 00:24:52,873
[ramsey_d_smith]: the air transport system and so we’re
990
00:24:52,840 –> 00:24:53,004
[david_macchia]: yep
991
00:24:52,953 –> 00:24:53,333
[ramsey_d_smith]: seeing that
992
00:24:53,250 –> 00:24:53,410
[paul_tyler]: yeah
993
00:24:53,394 –> 00:24:57,661
[ramsey_d_smith]: same kind of fragility and a supply
chain that was sending things just in time
994
00:24:57,721 –> 00:24:59,924
[ramsey_d_smith]: from somewhere in the far east you
know
995
00:25:00,020 –> 00:25:00,221
[david_macchia]: right
996
00:25:00,085 –> 00:25:00,465
[ramsey_d_smith]: your kitchen
997
00:25:00,409 –> 00:25:00,510
[paul_tyler]: yeah
998
00:25:00,566 –> 00:25:02,729
[ramsey_d_smith]: table in a in a remarkably
999
00:25:02,730 –> 00:25:02,750
[david_macchia]: m
1000
00:25:02,769 –> 00:25:03,390
[ramsey_d_smith]: efficient way
1001
00:25:03,900 –> 00:25:05,460
[paul_tyler]: yeah
1002
00:25:04,592 –> 00:25:08,078
[ramsey_d_smith]: my sense paul to your point is
that ultimately the
1003
00:25:08,070 –> 00:25:08,330
[paul_tyler]: oh
1004
00:25:08,138 –> 00:25:08,799
[ramsey_d_smith]: solution to
1005
00:25:08,700 –> 00:25:09,480
[david_macchia]: oh
1006
00:25:09,961 –> 00:25:12,225
[ramsey_d_smith]: supply chain problems that are that are
glow bill
1007
00:25:12,185 –> 00:25:12,226
[paul_tyler]: a
1008
00:25:12,445 –> 00:25:13,407
[ramsey_d_smith]: is to deglobalize
1009
00:25:13,312 –> 00:25:13,800
[paul_tyler]: right
1010
00:25:13,447 –> 00:25:15,010
[ramsey_d_smith]: them so it seems like both
1011
00:25:15,090 –> 00:25:15,350
[paul_tyler]: oh
1012
00:25:15,090 –> 00:25:18,556
[ramsey_d_smith]: politically and economically you know we’re probably
headed towards some degree
1013
00:25:18,579 –> 00:25:18,739
[paul_tyler]: yeah
1014
00:25:18,616 –> 00:25:19,958
[ramsey_d_smith]: of deglobalization
1015
00:25:19,680 –> 00:25:19,700
[david_macchia]: m
1016
00:25:19,774 –> 00:25:19,856
[paul_tyler]: ah
1017
00:25:20,138 –> 00:25:23,263
[ramsey_d_smith]: that’s going to take time that will
actually also be inflation ary here in the
1018
00:25:23,343 –> 00:25:24,785
[ramsey_d_smith]: u s probably
1019
00:25:25,010 –> 00:25:25,491
[david_macchia]: absolutely
1020
00:25:25,466 –> 00:25:26,107
[ramsey_d_smith]: going forward
1021
00:25:26,112 –> 00:25:26,193
[paul_tyler]: ah
1022
00:25:26,507 –> 00:25:30,171
[ramsey_d_smith]: but it’s hard to see it’s hard
to see given national security and all sorts
1023
00:25:30,191 –> 00:25:33,574
[ramsey_d_smith]: of other reasons why why wouldn’t why
we wouldn’t head in that direction
1024
00:25:33,710 –> 00:25:34,312
[paul_tyler]: well you know there’s
1025
00:25:34,200 –> 00:25:35,130
[david_macchia]: oh
1026
00:25:34,673 –> 00:25:36,278
[paul_tyler]: a there’s a big time element too
so
1027
00:25:36,425 –> 00:25:36,445
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
1028
00:25:36,739 –> 00:25:37,201
[paul_tyler]: you i’ve seen a
1029
00:25:37,235 –> 00:25:37,895
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
1030
00:25:37,261 –> 00:25:43,635
[paul_tyler]: lot of ship manufactures announced launching saying
chip plants
1031
00:25:43,715 –> 00:25:43,956
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
1032
00:25:43,876 –> 00:25:48,684
[paul_tyler]: outside china v i think i read
a few areas people go into different parts
1033
00:25:48,724 –> 00:25:50,647
[paul_tyler]: of south east age but david that
takes
1034
00:25:50,744 –> 00:25:50,765
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
1035
00:25:51,028 –> 00:25:51,969
[paul_tyler]: two years to get a
1036
00:25:51,965 –> 00:25:52,226
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
1037
00:25:52,029 –> 00:25:52,653
[paul_tyler]: play up and
1038
00:25:52,681 –> 00:25:52,761
[david_macchia]: oh
1039
00:25:52,693 –> 00:25:52,955
[paul_tyler]: running
1040
00:25:52,821 –> 00:25:53,883
[david_macchia]: yeah and and
1041
00:25:54,035 –> 00:25:54,685
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
1042
00:25:54,063 –> 00:25:58,971
[david_macchia]: and also in the u s building
more chip manufacturing here but you’re right ramsey
1043
00:25:59,072 –> 00:26:00,434
[david_macchia]: i think people underestimate
1044
00:26:00,300 –> 00:26:00,929
[paul_tyler]: ye
1045
00:26:00,514 –> 00:26:03,840
[david_macchia]: how massively deflationary globalization was
1046
00:26:04,140 –> 00:26:05,190
[paul_tyler]: oh
1047
00:26:05,482 –> 00:26:08,006
[david_macchia]: and any incremental change in that
1048
00:26:08,790 –> 00:26:09,010
[paul_tyler]: yeah
1049
00:26:09,048 –> 00:26:10,190
[david_macchia]: any bringing back the
1050
00:26:10,124 –> 00:26:10,145
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
1051
00:26:10,290 –> 00:26:11,693
[david_macchia]: manufacturing to our
1052
00:26:11,765 –> 00:26:11,785
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
1053
00:26:11,793 –> 00:26:13,435
[david_macchia]: shores is probably
1054
00:26:13,169 –> 00:26:13,350
[paul_tyler]: yeah
1055
00:26:13,516 –> 00:26:15,259
[david_macchia]: good for our national security
1056
00:26:15,014 –> 00:26:15,035
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
1057
00:26:15,319 –> 00:26:16,160
[david_macchia]: but will
1058
00:26:16,085 –> 00:26:16,226
[ramsey_d_smith]: ye
1059
00:26:16,221 –> 00:26:17,244
[david_macchia]: be you know
1060
00:26:17,225 –> 00:26:18,155
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
1061
00:26:17,745 –> 00:26:19,530
[david_macchia]: sort of boosting inflation
1062
00:26:19,214 –> 00:26:20,225
[ramsey_d_smith]: m yeah
1063
00:26:19,691 –> 00:26:21,195
[david_macchia]: boosting price increases generally
1064
00:26:21,110 –> 00:26:21,250
[paul_tyler]: well
1065
00:26:21,164 –> 00:26:21,185
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
1066
00:26:21,330 –> 00:26:21,490
[paul_tyler]: yeah
1067
00:26:21,416 –> 00:26:21,476
[david_macchia]: it
1068
00:26:21,446 –> 00:26:21,587
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
1069
00:26:21,536 –> 00:26:21,877
[david_macchia]: has to
1070
00:26:22,151 –> 00:26:22,472
[paul_tyler]: well yeah
1071
00:26:22,595 –> 00:26:22,935
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
1072
00:26:22,833 –> 00:26:27,721
[paul_tyler]: i would say i’d be more pointed
david it’s china was as much as we
1073
00:26:27,881 –> 00:26:28,081
[paul_tyler]: were
1074
00:26:28,080 –> 00:26:28,800
[david_macchia]: yeah
1075
00:26:28,722 –> 00:26:29,023
[paul_tyler]: concerned
1076
00:26:28,860 –> 00:26:29,002
[david_macchia]: yeah
1077
00:26:29,063 –> 00:26:35,233
[paul_tyler]: about losing jobs to china you know
china at a massive flationary effect on our
1078
00:26:35,674 –> 00:26:36,535
[paul_tyler]: economy right
1079
00:26:36,590 –> 00:26:37,496
[david_macchia]: eh
1080
00:26:37,196 –> 00:26:38,138
[paul_tyler]: cut the price of tables
1081
00:26:38,165 –> 00:26:38,365
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
1082
00:26:38,198 –> 00:26:42,125
[paul_tyler]: chairs you know everything stayed at a
reasonable price in china all of a sudden
1083
00:26:42,205 –> 00:26:42,866
[paul_tyler]: slows down
1084
00:26:43,385 –> 00:26:43,625
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
1085
00:26:43,607 –> 00:26:46,472
[paul_tyler]: they’ve got real estate problems they’ve had
they’ve been shut
1086
00:26:46,380 –> 00:26:46,602
[david_macchia]: oh
1087
00:26:46,512 –> 00:26:47,633
[paul_tyler]: down even more than we have
1088
00:26:47,814 –> 00:26:48,034
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
1089
00:26:48,054 –> 00:26:48,254
[paul_tyler]: for
1090
00:26:48,317 –> 00:26:48,540
[david_macchia]: yeah
1091
00:26:48,615 –> 00:26:49,516
[paul_tyler]: you know the pandemic
1092
00:26:50,555 –> 00:26:50,859
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
1093
00:26:50,658 –> 00:26:55,365
[paul_tyler]: um and there’s a limit to how
you know they can’t cut prices anymore so
1094
00:26:55,274 –> 00:26:55,295
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
1095
00:26:55,425 –> 00:26:59,112
[paul_tyler]: tally where it feels like we’re in
a storm that’s going to last
1096
00:26:59,096 –> 00:26:59,218
[ramsey_d_smith]: ah
1097
00:26:59,672 –> 00:27:00,534
[paul_tyler]: unfortunately for a few
1098
00:27:00,425 –> 00:27:00,666
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
1099
00:27:00,614 –> 00:27:00,874
[paul_tyler]: years
1100
00:27:03,441 –> 00:27:04,022
[david_macchia]: i think you’re right
1101
00:27:03,900 –> 00:27:04,161
[paul_tyler]: yeah
1102
00:27:04,445 –> 00:27:04,767
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
1103
00:27:04,603 –> 00:27:05,825
[david_macchia]: you know i wish i had an
answer
1104
00:27:05,889 –> 00:27:06,069
[paul_tyler]: yeah
1105
00:27:05,905 –> 00:27:07,047
[david_macchia]: to it but there’s no
1106
00:27:06,973 –> 00:27:07,096
[paul_tyler]: oh
1107
00:27:07,207 –> 00:27:07,688
[david_macchia]: easy answer
1108
00:27:07,565 –> 00:27:08,248
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
1109
00:27:07,748 –> 00:27:09,050
[david_macchia]: to it and how are
1110
00:27:09,000 –> 00:27:09,750
[paul_tyler]: oh
1111
00:27:09,070 –> 00:27:10,172
[david_macchia]: we going to generate economic
1112
00:27:09,941 –> 00:27:10,189
[paul_tyler]: okay
1113
00:27:09,995 –> 00:27:10,256
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
1114
00:27:10,232 –> 00:27:12,676
[david_macchia]: growth is another thing i mean you
know the fed
1115
00:27:12,750 –> 00:27:12,933
[paul_tyler]: yeah
1116
00:27:12,776 –> 00:27:13,858
[david_macchia]: can’t keep printing money
1117
00:27:14,071 –> 00:27:14,273
[paul_tyler]: right
1118
00:27:14,239 –> 00:27:14,659
[david_macchia]: there there
1119
00:27:14,525 –> 00:27:15,635
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
1120
00:27:14,940 –> 00:27:16,723
[david_macchia]: tighten the tightening they’re going the other
way
1121
00:27:17,525 –> 00:27:17,545
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
1122
00:27:17,684 –> 00:27:23,474
[david_macchia]: and you know since o eight before
o eight from from nineteen sixty eight when
1123
00:27:23,554 –> 00:27:27,501
[david_macchia]: when we got the legislation was passed
to get us off the goal standard right
1124
00:27:28,682 –> 00:27:29,484
[david_macchia]: up to two thousand
1125
00:27:29,490 –> 00:27:29,692
[paul_tyler]: yeah
1126
00:27:29,544 –> 00:27:30,766
[david_macchia]: eight economic
1127
00:27:30,660 –> 00:27:30,981
[paul_tyler]: oh
1128
00:27:30,846 –> 00:27:35,503
[david_macchia]: growth in this country was driven by
credit so we had one trillion of total
1129
00:27:35,563 –> 00:27:38,708
[david_macchia]: credit in the economy in nineteen sixty
eight by two thousand it we had ninety
1130
00:27:38,788 –> 00:27:40,992
[david_macchia]: times that we had ninety trillion that’s
1131
00:27:40,895 –> 00:27:42,125
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
1132
00:27:41,032 –> 00:27:42,214
[david_macchia]: what drove the economic
1133
00:27:42,185 –> 00:27:42,205
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
1134
00:27:42,274 –> 00:27:43,376
[david_macchia]: growth since
1135
00:27:43,544 –> 00:27:43,565
[ramsey_d_smith]: h
1136
00:27:43,556 –> 00:27:43,596
[david_macchia]: o
1137
00:27:43,560 –> 00:27:43,763
[paul_tyler]: yeah
1138
00:27:43,776 –> 00:27:44,958
[david_macchia]: eight credit growth
1139
00:27:44,820 –> 00:27:45,063
[paul_tyler]: oh
1140
00:27:45,019 –> 00:27:45,419
[david_macchia]: slowed
1141
00:27:45,524 –> 00:27:45,545
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
1142
00:27:45,840 –> 00:27:46,761
[david_macchia]: so the government stepped
1143
00:27:46,724 –> 00:27:46,745
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
1144
00:27:46,842 –> 00:27:48,464
[david_macchia]: in with massive physical stimulus
1145
00:27:48,227 –> 00:27:48,288
[ramsey_d_smith]: ah
1146
00:27:48,544 –> 00:27:50,027
[david_macchia]: and federal reserve stepped in with
1147
00:27:49,964 –> 00:27:49,985
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
1148
00:27:50,167 –> 00:27:53,332
[david_macchia]: you know this huge money printing thing
that can’t
1149
00:27:53,165 –> 00:27:53,467
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
1150
00:27:53,713 –> 00:27:56,418
[david_macchia]: keep going so i’m not sure what
happens
1151
00:27:56,405 –> 00:27:56,646
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
1152
00:27:56,498 –> 00:27:57,579
[david_macchia]: next to generate
1153
00:27:57,330 –> 00:27:58,260
[paul_tyler]: yeah
1154
00:27:57,660 –> 00:27:59,962
[david_macchia]: economic growth especially under these conditions
1155
00:27:59,675 –> 00:27:59,896
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
1156
00:28:00,763 –> 00:28:02,625
[david_macchia]: and i think we’re seeing that reality
reflected
1157
00:28:02,465 –> 00:28:03,485
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
1158
00:28:02,705 –> 00:28:04,987
[david_macchia]: an asset price is starting to you
now come back to the
1159
00:28:05,384 –> 00:28:05,405
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
1160
00:28:05,988 –> 00:28:06,729
[david_macchia]: more normal level
1161
00:28:07,396 –> 00:28:09,119
[ramsey_d_smith]: well that’s that’s the thin that’s been
interesting you know
1162
00:28:09,840 –> 00:28:10,042
[paul_tyler]: yeah
1163
00:28:10,461 –> 00:28:12,064
[ramsey_d_smith]: a lot of the push back on
on
1164
00:28:12,510 –> 00:28:12,851
[david_macchia]: oh
1165
00:28:12,885 –> 00:28:17,573
[ramsey_d_smith]: on annuities has been you know around
inflation protection and people say he put more
1166
00:28:17,613 –> 00:28:20,938
[ramsey_d_smith]: money in equities in like i spent
a whole career in equity so i understand
1167
00:28:20,999 –> 00:28:22,441
[ramsey_d_smith]: that i understand
1168
00:28:22,213 –> 00:28:22,800
[david_macchia]: hm
1169
00:28:23,220 –> 00:28:23,401
[paul_tyler]: yeah
1170
00:28:23,463 –> 00:28:27,069
[ramsey_d_smith]: the value proposition there i think i
think for many years it’s been very real
1171
00:28:28,170 –> 00:28:32,798
[ramsey_d_smith]: the challenge that we have now is
that you know pricing for companies is often
1172
00:28:32,898 –> 00:28:33,559
[ramsey_d_smith]: most prevalent
1173
00:28:33,812 –> 00:28:33,997
[paul_tyler]: yes
1174
00:28:33,980 –> 00:28:34,181
[ramsey_d_smith]: when
1175
00:28:34,479 –> 00:28:34,580
[david_macchia]: m m
1176
00:28:34,701 –> 00:28:37,847
[ramsey_d_smith]: you know when they have when when
they
1177
00:28:37,770 –> 00:28:37,790
[david_macchia]: m
1178
00:28:37,887 –> 00:28:38,768
[ramsey_d_smith]: have plenty of supply
1179
00:28:38,793 –> 00:28:38,814
[paul_tyler]: i
1180
00:28:38,908 –> 00:28:41,853
[ramsey_d_smith]: but they’ve got sort of a demand
shock that’s favorable to them
1181
00:28:41,820 –> 00:28:41,840
[david_macchia]: m
1182
00:28:42,354 –> 00:28:42,575
[ramsey_d_smith]: but now
1183
00:28:42,622 –> 00:28:42,828
[paul_tyler]: okay
1184
00:28:42,635 –> 00:28:45,860
[ramsey_d_smith]: we have this issue that things are
happening on the supply side so even if
1185
00:28:45,940 –> 00:28:48,705
[ramsey_d_smith]: prices are going up if you can’t
deliver the product
1186
00:28:48,360 –> 00:28:48,664
[paul_tyler]: oh
1187
00:28:49,105 –> 00:28:49,807
[ramsey_d_smith]: it’s not giving you
1188
00:28:49,845 –> 00:28:49,865
[david_macchia]: m
1189
00:28:49,867 –> 00:28:52,351
[ramsey_d_smith]: the excess profit you would have otherwise
given
1190
00:28:52,420 –> 00:28:53,326
[david_macchia]: right right
1191
00:28:53,312 –> 00:28:56,037
[ramsey_d_smith]: and so so it shouldn’t come as
a surprise
1192
00:28:55,893 –> 00:28:55,914
[paul_tyler]: i
1193
00:28:56,097 –> 00:29:02,327
[ramsey_d_smith]: that like equities have been you ve
been suffering in this current environment and so
1194
00:29:02,848 –> 00:29:05,192
[ramsey_d_smith]: you know what does that mean it’s
it’s one thing if you say well if
1195
00:29:05,252 –> 00:29:09,539
[ramsey_d_smith]: i get you know our per cent
four per cent on my my annuity that’s
1196
00:29:09,580 –> 00:29:11,503
[ramsey_d_smith]: not keeping up with ten per cent
inflation will being down
1197
00:29:11,550 –> 00:29:11,570
[david_macchia]: m
1198
00:29:11,683 –> 00:29:16,010
[ramsey_d_smith]: twenty per cent in your equity portfolio
isn’t helping that either you know if you’re
1199
00:29:16,050 –> 00:29:16,711
[david_macchia]: that’s right
1200
00:29:16,731 –> 00:29:19,716
[ramsey_d_smith]: if you’re if you’re in decumulations if
you’re an accumulation
1201
00:29:19,500 –> 00:29:19,740
[paul_tyler]: yah
1202
00:29:19,876 –> 00:29:21,518
[ramsey_d_smith]: you can weigh it out but if
you’re in the
1203
00:29:21,470 –> 00:29:21,632
[david_macchia]: yeah
1204
00:29:21,578 –> 00:29:22,959
[ramsey_d_smith]: accumulation phase like you don’t
1205
00:29:22,920 –> 00:29:23,141
[david_macchia]: oh
1206
00:29:23,169 –> 00:29:23,190
[paul_tyler]: h
1207
00:29:23,320 –> 00:29:25,682
[ramsey_d_smith]: you don’t have the same set of
choices so it’s
1208
00:29:25,611 –> 00:29:25,751
[david_macchia]: yeah
1209
00:29:25,742 –> 00:29:26,623
[ramsey_d_smith]: a it’s a tough problem
1210
00:29:26,335 –> 00:29:26,438
[paul_tyler]: no
1211
00:29:26,823 –> 00:29:26,984
[ramsey_d_smith]: right
1212
00:29:27,273 –> 00:29:30,078
[david_macchia]: this is really really a smart point
you bringing up because
1213
00:29:30,065 –> 00:29:30,935
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
1214
00:29:30,539 –> 00:29:32,642
[david_macchia]: i remember i got a call from
a writer i won’t mention his
1215
00:29:32,550 –> 00:29:33,215
[ramsey_d_smith]: hm
1216
00:29:32,682 –> 00:29:36,388
[david_macchia]: name he read one of my articles
and he said you know i really know
1217
00:29:36,489 –> 00:29:40,762
[david_macchia]: argued with a new he’s because they’re
not inflation adjusted and you know the truth
1218
00:29:40,842 –> 00:29:41,644
[david_macchia]: is there’s no there’s
1219
00:29:41,495 –> 00:29:42,545
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
1220
00:29:41,684 –> 00:29:42,545
[david_macchia]: no guarantee that
1221
00:29:42,635 –> 00:29:42,655
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
1222
00:29:42,645 –> 00:29:43,487
[david_macchia]: equity portfolios
1223
00:29:43,220 –> 00:29:43,321
[paul_tyler]: no
1224
00:29:43,527 –> 00:29:44,368
[david_macchia]: are going to be inflation
1225
00:29:44,186 –> 00:29:44,287
[paul_tyler]: no
1226
00:29:44,345 –> 00:29:44,648
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
1227
00:29:44,448 –> 00:29:45,169
[david_macchia]: adjusted right
1228
00:29:45,557 –> 00:29:45,618
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
1229
00:29:45,790 –> 00:29:46,612
[david_macchia]: and i would rather
1230
00:29:46,514 –> 00:29:46,535
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
1231
00:29:46,672 –> 00:29:47,413
[david_macchia]: have some level
1232
00:29:47,315 –> 00:29:49,085
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
1233
00:29:47,493 –> 00:29:47,894
[david_macchia]: of income
1234
00:29:47,782 –> 00:29:47,803
[paul_tyler]: i
1235
00:29:47,934 –> 00:29:49,617
[david_macchia]: that i can count on in retirement
1236
00:29:49,710 –> 00:29:49,892
[paul_tyler]: yeah
1237
00:29:49,977 –> 00:29:51,660
[david_macchia]: for life and if it’s
1238
00:29:51,554 –> 00:29:51,575
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
1239
00:29:51,720 –> 00:29:55,303
[david_macchia]: not inflation adjusted at least it’s tangible
at least it’s real
1240
00:29:56,114 –> 00:29:56,135
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
1241
00:29:56,764 –> 00:30:00,627
[david_macchia]: and i think you know the outlook
for in general
1242
00:30:01,355 –> 00:30:01,616
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
1243
00:30:01,948 –> 00:30:04,892
[david_macchia]: guaranteed income it’s going to be so
strong
1244
00:30:05,135 –> 00:30:06,605
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
1245
00:30:05,353 –> 00:30:05,955
[david_macchia]: going forward
1246
00:30:06,605 –> 00:30:07,265
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
1247
00:30:06,776 –> 00:30:07,598
[david_macchia]: it just has to be
1248
00:30:08,615 –> 00:30:09,545
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
1249
00:30:08,620 –> 00:30:12,046
[david_macchia]: because like i always say to advisors
you know no retirement
1250
00:30:11,986 –> 00:30:12,169
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
1251
00:30:12,086 –> 00:30:12,888
[david_macchia]: stops needing income
1252
00:30:13,440 –> 00:30:14,130
[paul_tyler]: oh
1253
00:30:13,775 –> 00:30:13,935
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
1254
00:30:14,920 –> 00:30:14,941
[paul_tyler]: a
1255
00:30:15,616 –> 00:30:16,977
[ramsey_d_smith]: i want to bring in another
1256
00:30:16,920 –> 00:30:16,940
[david_macchia]: m
1257
00:30:17,098 –> 00:30:20,260
[ramsey_d_smith]: way we can bring in full circle
to what you’re doing with what you’re
1258
00:30:20,130 –> 00:30:20,432
[paul_tyler]: oh
1259
00:30:20,321 –> 00:30:22,062
[ramsey_d_smith]: doing with projects six
1260
00:30:22,110 –> 00:30:22,293
[paul_tyler]: yeah
1261
00:30:22,142 –> 00:30:23,303
[ramsey_d_smith]: thousand minutes and
1262
00:30:23,670 –> 00:30:23,690
[david_macchia]: m
1263
00:30:23,700 –> 00:30:23,761
[paul_tyler]: ye
1264
00:30:23,704 –> 00:30:27,569
[ramsey_d_smith]: you know what potentially there’s a potential
for growth in the financial advisor space it’s
1265
00:30:27,609 –> 00:30:28,591
[ramsey_d_smith]: really i think
1266
00:30:28,481 –> 00:30:28,623
[paul_tyler]: thank
1267
00:30:28,771 –> 00:30:32,738
[ramsey_d_smith]: on the spending side right spending control
cost control and that we had
1268
00:30:32,782 –> 00:30:32,927
[paul_tyler]: yeah
1269
00:30:33,659 –> 00:30:34,060
[ramsey_d_smith]: we had
1270
00:30:34,230 –> 00:30:34,496
[paul_tyler]: oh
1271
00:30:34,861 –> 00:30:35,643
[ramsey_d_smith]: bill bangin on
1272
00:30:35,910 –> 00:30:36,110
[paul_tyler]: oh
1273
00:30:35,943 –> 00:30:38,748
[ramsey_d_smith]: right the there of woudrawl strategies
1274
00:30:39,360 –> 00:30:39,661
[david_macchia]: oh
1275
00:30:39,429 –> 00:30:42,574
[ramsey_d_smith]: he’s in his nineties he was amazing
to have him on but one of his
1276
00:30:42,634 –> 00:30:42,775
[ramsey_d_smith]: key
1277
00:30:42,642 –> 00:30:42,802
[david_macchia]: yeah
1278
00:30:42,875 –> 00:30:44,177
[ramsey_d_smith]: points is you got to fix spending
1279
00:30:44,550 –> 00:30:46,272
[paul_tyler]: uh
1280
00:30:46,721 –> 00:30:46,882
[david_macchia]: yeah
1281
00:30:47,523 –> 00:30:47,703
[ramsey_d_smith]: right
1282
00:30:47,583 –> 00:30:49,125
[david_macchia]: but but here’s here’s
1283
00:30:49,067 –> 00:30:49,249
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
1284
00:30:49,306 –> 00:30:50,227
[david_macchia]: here’s the problem here’s
1285
00:30:50,115 –> 00:30:50,276
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
1286
00:30:50,267 –> 00:30:52,050
[david_macchia]: the problem i say and i like
i like bill a lot
1287
00:30:52,055 –> 00:30:52,195
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
1288
00:30:52,170 –> 00:30:54,935
[david_macchia]: and you know i wrote an article
called there is no safe with drawl rate
1289
00:30:55,025 –> 00:30:55,186
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
1290
00:30:55,576 –> 00:30:57,800
[david_macchia]: which by the way which i believe
and
1291
00:30:57,825 –> 00:30:57,946
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
1292
00:30:57,920 –> 00:30:59,603
[david_macchia]: uh you know and he came back
to
1293
00:30:59,553 –> 00:31:00,035
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
1294
00:30:59,663 –> 00:31:01,005
[david_macchia]: me and and he said well my
1295
00:31:01,094 –> 00:31:01,115
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
1296
00:31:01,145 –> 00:31:06,795
[david_macchia]: projections say that that’s not the case
i said i understand you’re absolutely right but
1297
00:31:07,155 –> 00:31:08,177
[david_macchia]: all of the projections
1298
00:31:07,950 –> 00:31:09,330
[paul_tyler]: yeah
1299
00:31:08,498 –> 00:31:09,299
[david_macchia]: yours and everyone
1300
00:31:09,335 –> 00:31:09,557
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
1301
00:31:09,359 –> 00:31:11,827
[david_macchia]: else’s assumes that the client stays invested
1302
00:31:12,186 –> 00:31:12,980
[paul_tyler]: a oh
1303
00:31:12,825 –> 00:31:12,967
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
1304
00:31:13,020 –> 00:31:15,665
[david_macchia]: every single day in every single condition
and
1305
00:31:15,668 –> 00:31:15,709
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
1306
00:31:15,789 –> 00:31:15,810
[paul_tyler]: h
1307
00:31:15,865 –> 00:31:16,626
[david_macchia]: cast in the real world
1308
00:31:16,544 –> 00:31:16,565
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
1309
00:31:16,666 –> 00:31:17,007
[david_macchia]: they don’t
1310
00:31:16,920 –> 00:31:18,420
[paul_tyler]: okay
1311
00:31:17,868 –> 00:31:17,968
[david_macchia]: so
1312
00:31:18,067 –> 00:31:18,148
[ramsey_d_smith]: ah
1313
00:31:18,630 –> 00:31:21,194
[david_macchia]: you know the point
1314
00:31:21,213 –> 00:31:21,378
[paul_tyler]: yah
1315
00:31:21,234 –> 00:31:22,175
[david_macchia]: about withdrawals is
1316
00:31:22,085 –> 00:31:22,426
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
1317
00:31:22,256 –> 00:31:24,519
[david_macchia]: that it’s really really hard
1318
00:31:24,780 –> 00:31:27,199
[paul_tyler]: okay
1319
00:31:24,880 –> 00:31:25,761
[david_macchia]: in the practical
1320
00:31:25,236 –> 00:31:25,357
[ramsey_d_smith]: ah
1321
00:31:26,142 –> 00:31:27,785
[david_macchia]: real world that advises live in
1322
00:31:28,170 –> 00:31:28,190
[paul_tyler]: a
1323
00:31:28,266 –> 00:31:28,726
[david_macchia]: to go to a
1324
00:31:28,754 –> 00:31:28,775
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
1325
00:31:28,807 –> 00:31:32,413
[david_macchia]: client and say well you know last
year you took out forty thousand from your
1326
00:31:32,473 –> 00:31:33,014
[david_macchia]: portfolio
1327
00:31:32,550 –> 00:31:32,795
[paul_tyler]: oh
1328
00:31:33,134 –> 00:31:33,274
[david_macchia]: but
1329
00:31:33,545 –> 00:31:33,826
[ramsey_d_smith]: yah
1330
00:31:33,695 –> 00:31:36,620
[david_macchia]: really this year you need to take
out twenty one thousand three hundred m
1331
00:31:36,674 –> 00:31:37,595
[ramsey_d_smith]: m m
1332
00:31:37,950 –> 00:31:39,312
[david_macchia]: it doesn’t work at the kitchen table
1333
00:31:39,751 –> 00:31:39,832
[paul_tyler]: no
1334
00:31:40,102 –> 00:31:40,264
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
1335
00:31:40,314 –> 00:31:41,857
[david_macchia]: it just doesn’t it just doesn’t work
1336
00:31:42,185 –> 00:31:42,533
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
1337
00:31:42,778 –> 00:31:48,207
[david_macchia]: and so you know a fixed stream
of income coming from an annuity that a
1338
00:31:48,468 –> 00:31:48,868
[david_macchia]: client can
1339
00:31:48,845 –> 00:31:49,127
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
1340
00:31:48,930 –> 00:31:49,293
[paul_tyler]: oh
1341
00:31:48,969 –> 00:31:50,071
[david_macchia]: count on year
1342
00:31:49,950 –> 00:31:50,191
[paul_tyler]: oh
1343
00:31:50,251 –> 00:31:51,173
[david_macchia]: after year after year
1344
00:31:51,455 –> 00:31:51,775
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
1345
00:31:52,315 –> 00:31:54,318
[david_macchia]: that that’s hard to argue against
1346
00:31:55,151 –> 00:31:55,291
[paul_tyler]: oh
1347
00:31:55,490 –> 00:31:55,895
[david_macchia]: it’s hard
1348
00:31:55,832 –> 00:31:56,012
[paul_tyler]: well
1349
00:31:55,955 –> 00:31:56,703
[david_macchia]: to argue against
1350
00:31:56,713 –> 00:31:59,178
[paul_tyler]: i think you’re right people want guarantee
income here
1351
00:31:59,255 –> 00:31:59,478
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
1352
00:31:59,799 –> 00:32:01,542
[paul_tyler]: an anecdote on monday so
1353
00:32:02,144 –> 00:32:02,165
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
1354
00:32:02,243 –> 00:32:07,580
[paul_tyler]: so i’m back in our office and
in hartford and walking along security
1355
00:32:07,440 –> 00:32:07,683
[david_macchia]: yes
1356
00:32:07,640 –> 00:32:12,348
[paul_tyler]: guy nowell is talking to women who
reports in cafitarnoell and he’s saying sixty two
1357
00:32:13,751 –> 00:32:14,031
[paul_tyler]: sixty
1358
00:32:14,015 –> 00:32:14,035
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
1359
00:32:14,151 –> 00:32:20,081
[paul_tyler]: seven okay i know this conversation so
i stuck my head
1360
00:32:19,929 –> 00:32:19,950
[david_macchia]: m
1361
00:32:20,181 –> 00:32:21,163
[paul_tyler]: in and you know it’s
1362
00:32:21,635 –> 00:32:21,876
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
1363
00:32:22,305 –> 00:32:25,811
[paul_tyler]: you know here are two people struggling
like how do they bridge to retirement
1364
00:32:25,235 –> 00:32:26,455
[ramsey_d_smith]: yah m
1365
00:32:26,712 –> 00:32:28,115
[paul_tyler]: and you know a woman said to
me
1366
00:32:28,475 –> 00:32:28,617
[ramsey_d_smith]: ye
1367
00:32:28,475 –> 00:32:33,341
[paul_tyler]: paul i could actually could actually retire
right now i can’t pay for my health
1368
00:32:33,421 –> 00:32:35,645
[paul_tyler]: care so well do you know the
products
1369
00:32:35,462 –> 00:32:35,483
[david_macchia]: m
1370
00:32:35,685 –> 00:32:36,326
[paul_tyler]: were selling here
1371
00:32:36,219 –> 00:32:36,240
[david_macchia]: m
1372
00:32:36,607 –> 00:32:41,735
[paul_tyler]: can actually help you do that we
could actually said talk to me
1373
00:32:41,846 –> 00:32:41,887
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
1374
00:32:41,896 –> 00:32:43,678
[paul_tyler]: you know we’ll sit down i’ll show
you the numbers i’m not
1375
00:32:43,633 –> 00:32:43,654
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
1376
00:32:43,719 –> 00:32:46,262
[paul_tyler]: selling i’m not making money on this
david i
1377
00:32:46,620 –> 00:32:46,966
[david_macchia]: oh
1378
00:32:46,883 –> 00:32:47,304
[paul_tyler]: maybe i can
1379
00:32:47,285 –> 00:32:47,606
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
1380
00:32:47,564 –> 00:32:50,348
[paul_tyler]: with this count towards my two hours
if i help some people
1381
00:32:50,340 –> 00:32:50,520
[david_macchia]: sure
1382
00:32:50,448 –> 00:32:50,608
[paul_tyler]: here
1383
00:32:50,705 –> 00:32:51,087
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
1384
00:32:52,625 –> 00:32:53,106
[david_macchia]: of course
1385
00:32:52,892 –> 00:32:55,978
[paul_tyler]: but these are real problems sort of
right like i think the guarantee you got
1386
00:32:56,018 –> 00:32:56,079
[paul_tyler]: to
1387
00:32:56,054 –> 00:32:56,496
[david_macchia]: totally
1388
00:32:56,075 –> 00:32:56,301
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
1389
00:32:56,119 –> 00:32:57,622
[paul_tyler]: hit sixty two most people
1390
00:32:57,480 –> 00:32:57,743
[david_macchia]: yeah
1391
00:32:57,682 –> 00:33:00,668
[paul_tyler]: are in they’re not trying to get
rich right they will keep
1392
00:33:01,041 –> 00:33:03,004
[david_macchia]: you can’t you can’t solve risk with
1393
00:33:03,060 –> 00:33:03,263
[paul_tyler]: oh
1394
00:33:03,084 –> 00:33:04,286
[david_macchia]: more risk you have to solve
1395
00:33:04,385 –> 00:33:04,405
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
1396
00:33:04,406 –> 00:33:05,928
[david_macchia]: risk with with safety
1397
00:33:06,460 –> 00:33:06,601
[paul_tyler]: yeah
1398
00:33:06,695 –> 00:33:06,877
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
1399
00:33:07,090 –> 00:33:08,233
[david_macchia]: you just you just have to
1400
00:33:08,483 –> 00:33:08,809
[paul_tyler]: yeah
1401
00:33:09,308 –> 00:33:09,569
[ramsey_d_smith]: i like
1402
00:33:09,476 –> 00:33:09,737
[david_macchia]: and that’s
1403
00:33:09,629 –> 00:33:09,789
[ramsey_d_smith]: that
1404
00:33:09,777 –> 00:33:09,917
[david_macchia]: why
1405
00:33:09,850 –> 00:33:10,191
[ramsey_d_smith]: comment
1406
00:33:10,761 –> 00:33:10,986
[paul_tyler]: right
1407
00:33:11,050 –> 00:33:15,437
[david_macchia]: you’ve got this is why i like
i like advisors not to not
1408
00:33:15,335 –> 00:33:15,538
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
1409
00:33:15,477 –> 00:33:15,818
[david_macchia]: to just
1410
00:33:15,697 –> 00:33:15,777
[paul_tyler]: oh
1411
00:33:16,339 –> 00:33:16,960
[david_macchia]: put themselves
1412
00:33:16,715 –> 00:33:16,896
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
1413
00:33:17,040 –> 00:33:19,143
[david_macchia]: in one pigeon hole right
1414
00:33:19,680 –> 00:33:19,902
[paul_tyler]: yeah
1415
00:33:19,925 –> 00:33:23,170
[david_macchia]: don’t do that think more broadly cause
1416
00:33:23,040 –> 00:33:23,223
[paul_tyler]: yeah
1417
00:33:23,351 –> 00:33:28,784
[david_macchia]: you have to inject safety in the
portfolio the retirement income portfolio
1418
00:33:28,590 –> 00:33:29,310
[paul_tyler]: yeah
1419
00:33:28,864 –> 00:33:30,568
[david_macchia]: of ninety percent of the people
1420
00:33:31,140 –> 00:33:31,322
[paul_tyler]: yeah
1421
00:33:31,361 –> 00:33:32,112
[david_macchia]: they must have it
1422
00:33:33,874 –> 00:33:36,782
[paul_tyler]: i could see the visual for injecting
safety that
1423
00:33:36,990 –> 00:33:37,552
[david_macchia]: uh
1424
00:33:37,163 –> 00:33:37,343
[paul_tyler]: like
1425
00:33:38,033 –> 00:33:41,258
[ramsey_d_smith]: you can’t you can’t solve risk with
more risk paul that’s the that’s the
1426
00:33:41,189 –> 00:33:41,310
[david_macchia]: yeah
1427
00:33:41,261 –> 00:33:41,482
[paul_tyler]: right
1428
00:33:41,318 –> 00:33:43,021
[ramsey_d_smith]: headline on the on the linked in
right
1429
00:33:42,984 –> 00:33:43,244
[paul_tyler]: right
1430
00:33:43,081 –> 00:33:44,564
[ramsey_d_smith]: that’s that’s the that’s the quotable
1431
00:33:45,047 –> 00:33:45,268
[paul_tyler]: yeah
1432
00:33:45,125 –> 00:33:45,346
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
1433
00:33:45,729 –> 00:33:46,189
[paul_tyler]: you can’t
1434
00:33:46,153 –> 00:33:46,275
[ramsey_d_smith]: here
1435
00:33:46,290 –> 00:33:46,690
[paul_tyler]: solve
1436
00:33:46,295 –> 00:33:46,517
[ramsey_d_smith]: you go
1437
00:33:46,830 –> 00:33:53,463
[paul_tyler]: risk with more risk yeah i’ll see
yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah give me the
1438
00:33:53,523 –> 00:33:54,326
[paul_tyler]: notes afterwards
1439
00:33:54,875 –> 00:33:55,095
[ramsey_d_smith]: right
1440
00:33:56,060 –> 00:33:59,506
[paul_tyler]: well he listen this is this is
it’s great to catch up so
1441
00:34:00,125 –> 00:34:00,367
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
1442
00:34:00,300 –> 00:34:00,522
[david_macchia]: oh
1443
00:34:00,488 –> 00:34:01,249
[paul_tyler]: we conofered a lot
1444
00:34:01,265 –> 00:34:01,547
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
1445
00:34:01,409 –> 00:34:05,576
[paul_tyler]: so i think great initiative to drive
more
1446
00:34:05,460 –> 00:34:05,480
[david_macchia]: m
1447
00:34:05,656 –> 00:34:07,479
[paul_tyler]: education into parts
1448
00:34:07,355 –> 00:34:07,657
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
1449
00:34:07,800 –> 00:34:11,025
[paul_tyler]: community that don’t necessarily get a call
from a mary
1450
00:34:10,808 –> 00:34:11,340
[david_macchia]: hm
1451
00:34:11,085 –> 00:34:13,189
[paul_tyler]: lynch advisor or your friends at fisher
1452
00:34:13,161 –> 00:34:13,325
[david_macchia]: right
1453
00:34:13,289 –> 00:34:13,790
[paul_tyler]: investments
1454
00:34:14,195 –> 00:34:14,215
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
1455
00:34:14,591 –> 00:34:14,811
[paul_tyler]: right
1456
00:34:16,385 –> 00:34:16,405
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
1457
00:34:16,614 –> 00:34:18,618
[paul_tyler]: they’re not calling them right
1458
00:34:18,595 –> 00:34:18,695
[david_macchia]: no
1459
00:34:18,700 –> 00:34:18,740
[ramsey_d_smith]: hm
1460
00:34:18,958 –> 00:34:19,419
[paul_tyler]: and they need
1461
00:34:19,356 –> 00:34:19,556
[david_macchia]: they’re
1462
00:34:19,479 –> 00:34:19,599
[paul_tyler]: help
1463
00:34:19,597 –> 00:34:20,117
[david_macchia]: not calling
1464
00:34:20,381 –> 00:34:20,962
[paul_tyler]: i think this is
1465
00:34:20,898 –> 00:34:21,059
[david_macchia]: yep
1466
00:34:21,042 –> 00:34:23,546
[paul_tyler]: great we talked about sort of the
state of the
1467
00:34:23,495 –> 00:34:23,797
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
1468
00:34:23,586 –> 00:34:24,888
[paul_tyler]: state of
1469
00:34:26,015 –> 00:34:26,945
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
1470
00:34:26,411 –> 00:34:27,292
[paul_tyler]: crazy economy
1471
00:34:27,336 –> 00:34:27,437
[ramsey_d_smith]: ah
1472
00:34:27,893 –> 00:34:32,320
[paul_tyler]: and we didn’t get to get go
here i actually found the other there’s actually
1473
00:34:32,941 –> 00:34:37,166
[paul_tyler]: stand for puts out and when we
get this right it’s let’s
1474
00:34:37,205 –> 00:34:37,528
[ramsey_d_smith]: yah
1475
00:34:37,206 –> 00:34:38,347
[paul_tyler]: see a
1476
00:34:41,460 –> 00:34:42,221
[paul_tyler]: it’s an index
1477
00:34:42,990 –> 00:34:43,010
[david_macchia]: m
1478
00:34:43,022 –> 00:34:44,064
[paul_tyler]: we’re not gonna put this in ten
1479
00:34:45,635 –> 00:34:45,916
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
1480
00:34:46,167 –> 00:34:48,311
[paul_tyler]: but it’s the world uncertainty index
1481
00:34:48,605 –> 00:34:49,625
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
1482
00:34:49,092 –> 00:34:50,455
[paul_tyler]: and boy it’s just getting higher
1483
00:34:50,002 –> 00:34:50,547
[david_macchia]: interesting
1484
00:34:50,615 –> 00:34:51,136
[paul_tyler]: and higher
1485
00:34:51,393 –> 00:34:51,554
[david_macchia]: yeah
1486
00:34:51,817 –> 00:34:53,984
[paul_tyler]: very interesting so but risk
1487
00:34:53,834 –> 00:34:53,855
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
1488
00:34:54,045 –> 00:34:56,430
[paul_tyler]: and uncertainty i don’t know ramsey
1489
00:34:56,255 –> 00:34:56,604
[ramsey_d_smith]: my
1490
00:34:56,490 –> 00:35:00,518
[paul_tyler]: what are what are your thoughts take
aways an last questions for david
1491
00:35:01,556 –> 00:35:04,000
[ramsey_d_smith]: um just i think we i think
we covered
1492
00:35:03,810 –> 00:35:04,052
[paul_tyler]: oh
1493
00:35:04,060 –> 00:35:06,143
[ramsey_d_smith]: an amazing amount of ground today
1494
00:35:06,060 –> 00:35:06,381
[david_macchia]: yeah
1495
00:35:06,524 –> 00:35:07,205
[ramsey_d_smith]: very efficiently
1496
00:35:07,668 –> 00:35:07,869
[david_macchia]: yeah
1497
00:35:08,367 –> 00:35:09,208
[ramsey_d_smith]: i’ll just say that you know
1498
00:35:09,150 –> 00:35:09,170
[david_macchia]: m
1499
00:35:09,489 –> 00:35:13,075
[ramsey_d_smith]: david between this visit and the last
visit on some
1500
00:35:13,050 –> 00:35:13,313
[paul_tyler]: yeah
1501
00:35:13,115 –> 00:35:13,815
[ramsey_d_smith]: of the things that you’ve
1502
00:35:13,710 –> 00:35:13,930
[david_macchia]: oh
1503
00:35:13,955 –> 00:35:20,261
[ramsey_d_smith]: you’ve written recently you are you’re very
you’re very thoughtful individual in this space so
1504
00:35:20,340 –> 00:35:20,360
[david_macchia]: m
1505
00:35:20,762 –> 00:35:23,004
[ramsey_d_smith]: thoughtful and and a passionate voice around
1506
00:35:22,680 –> 00:35:23,460
[paul_tyler]: oh
1507
00:35:23,164 –> 00:35:28,181
[ramsey_d_smith]: you know retirement income so thank you
for doing what you do and it’s been
1508
00:35:28,221 –> 00:35:28,582
[ramsey_d_smith]: real pleasure
1509
00:35:29,640 –> 00:35:32,923
[david_macchia]: thank you for saying that ramsey and
it’s always a pleasure to be with both
1510
00:35:32,983 –> 00:35:34,685
[david_macchia]: of you i love what you’ve done
1511
00:35:34,565 –> 00:35:34,869
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
1512
00:35:34,725 –> 00:35:36,747
[david_macchia]: with the podcast it’s essential listening
1513
00:35:36,425 –> 00:35:36,729
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
1514
00:35:37,040 –> 00:35:37,220
[paul_tyler]: yeah
1515
00:35:37,388 –> 00:35:38,068
[david_macchia]: it really is
1516
00:35:38,005 –> 00:35:38,286
[ramsey_d_smith]: thank you
1517
00:35:38,642 –> 00:35:43,010
[paul_tyler]: thanks yeah hey david listen keep doing
what you’re doing you know one
1518
00:35:42,965 –> 00:35:44,135
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
1519
00:35:43,110 –> 00:35:44,152
[paul_tyler]: part of the introduction we
1520
00:35:44,160 –> 00:35:44,940
[david_macchia]: yeah
1521
00:35:44,232 –> 00:35:47,076
[paul_tyler]: didn’t give you is you’re just you’re
doing a great job out in
1522
00:35:47,435 –> 00:35:47,455
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
1523
00:35:47,838 –> 00:35:48,699
[paul_tyler]: unlinked in and some
1524
00:35:48,725 –> 00:35:49,028
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
1525
00:35:48,739 –> 00:35:55,130
[paul_tyler]: of these websites just keeping the message
in front of people about guarantees about income
1526
00:35:55,170 –> 00:35:55,230
[paul_tyler]: and
1527
00:35:55,205 –> 00:35:55,526
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
1528
00:35:55,310 –> 00:35:57,654
[paul_tyler]: thank you i think what you’re doing
is terrific
1529
00:35:58,320 –> 00:35:58,683
[david_macchia]: oh
1530
00:35:58,455 –> 00:35:58,616
[paul_tyler]: um
1531
00:35:59,720 –> 00:36:00,003
[david_macchia]: thank you
1532
00:36:00,058 –> 00:36:05,568
[paul_tyler]: yeah look we want to support we
want to sport your project two thousand minutes
1533
00:36:06,008 –> 00:36:06,309
[paul_tyler]: so well
1534
00:36:06,257 –> 00:36:06,759
[ramsey_d_smith]: six thousand
1535
00:36:06,750 –> 00:36:07,952
[paul_tyler]: six thousand six thousand
1536
00:36:07,895 –> 00:36:08,135
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
1537
00:36:08,232 –> 00:36:10,616
[paul_tyler]: i’m bad date for numbers for me
1538
00:36:11,139 –> 00:36:15,446
[david_macchia]: i very much appreciate that paul like
i said we need we need the participation
1539
00:36:15,546 –> 00:36:16,688
[david_macchia]: of institutions
1540
00:36:16,660 –> 00:36:16,763
[ramsey_d_smith]: ah
1541
00:36:16,728 –> 00:36:17,651
[david_macchia]: and individuals so
1542
00:36:18,485 –> 00:36:18,505
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
1543
00:36:18,736 –> 00:36:19,037
[david_macchia]: i really
1544
00:36:18,900 –> 00:36:19,003
[paul_tyler]: ye
1545
00:36:19,098 –> 00:36:20,524
[david_macchia]: wanted to get off the ground and
be very very
1546
00:36:20,570 –> 00:36:20,770
[paul_tyler]: okay
1547
00:36:20,585 –> 00:36:21,067
[david_macchia]: successful
1548
00:36:21,031 –> 00:36:22,673
[paul_tyler]: great we’ll put the link and link
to
1549
00:36:22,607 –> 00:36:22,708
[ramsey_d_smith]: ye
1550
00:36:22,753 –> 00:36:24,236
[paul_tyler]: your side and we’ll put the link
to
1551
00:36:24,240 –> 00:36:24,681
[david_macchia]: oh
1552
00:36:24,296 –> 00:36:27,962
[paul_tyler]: your linked in account whatever however else
so people can get in touch with you
1553
00:36:28,102 –> 00:36:32,089
[paul_tyler]: this is great thanks david ramsey thank
you and thanks for listening
1554
00:36:32,165 –> 00:36:32,428
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
1555
00:36:32,670 –> 00:36:33,392
[paul_tyler]: so it’s again next week
1556
00:36:33,448 –> 00:36:33,592
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
1557
00:36:33,452 –> 00:36:36,438
[paul_tyler]: for another episode of that annuity show
thanks
1558
00:36:36,695 –> 00:36:36,917
[ramsey_d_smith]: yah
1559
00:36:37,950 –> 00:36:38,235
[david_macchia]: thank you
1560
00:36:39,060 –> 00:36:39,267
[paul_tyler]: oh
00:36:39,060 –> 00:36:39,267
[paul_tyler]: oh
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