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[paul_tyler]: this is paul tyler
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[bruno_caron]: oh
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[paul_tyler]: and welcome to another episode of the
nuit show and we’re goin to have an
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[paul_tyler]: interesting discussion around one of our
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[bruno_caron]: ah
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[paul_tyler]: passion topics fees
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[bruno_caron]: hm
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[paul_tyler]: and value that consumers
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[bruno_caron]: m
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[paul_tyler]: clients received from it ramsey welcome
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[andy_panko]: oh
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[bruno_caron]: oh
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[ramsey_d_smith]: paul great to be here
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[paul_tyler]: it looks
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[bruno_caron]: yeah
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[paul_tyler]: like you’re not in your usual location
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[ramsey_d_smith]: i’m not in atlanta
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[bruno_caron]: ah
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[ramsey_d_smith]: i’m an an undisclosed location here in
manhattan
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[paul_tyler]: excellent all right well hopefully we can
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[bruno_caron]: yeah
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[paul_tyler]: connect we’ve we’ve
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[bruno_caron]: oh
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[paul_tyler]: been going back and forth and
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[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
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[paul_tyler]: be great to see ou actually in
person
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[bruno_caron]: yeah
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[paul_tyler]: bruno welcome as as a regular host
of our
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[bruno_caron]: okay
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[paul_tyler]: show
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[bruno_caron]: thank you it’s a pleasure and an
honor
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[andy_panko]: yeah
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[paul_tyler]: and yeah congratulations on your our new
role so tell us you know what you’re
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[paul_tyler]: doing these days
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[bruno_caron]: thank you appreciate it and now i
started a
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[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
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[bruno_caron]: role as a principle at life works
it’s an employee benefit consulting firm in in
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[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
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[bruno_caron]: canada and i’m very happy to say
that i joined a very talented team and
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[andy_panko]: oh
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[bruno_caron]: the whole story on on retirement income
continues i’ll be involved and some of pension
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[bruno_caron]: risk transfer transactions as well as some
new retirements last lifetime income solutions so so
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[bruno_caron]: very happy to to in that team
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[paul_tyler]: excellent and i was i was actually
out in las vegas for four days last
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[paul_tyler]: week at insure tech
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[bruno_caron]: m
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[paul_tyler]: connect and
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[bruno_caron]: m oh
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[ramsey_d_smith]: m
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[paul_tyler]: it’s really interesting a lot
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[ramsey_d_smith]: no
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[paul_tyler]: of the people
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[bruno_caron]: oh
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[paul_tyler]: we’ve been talking to over the last
you know couple of years were out there
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[paul_tyler]: and you know
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[bruno_caron]: yeah
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[paul_tyler]: it was tremendous to see the energy
going
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[bruno_caron]: oh
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[paul_tyler]: into the retirement plan in arena from
a technology standpoint
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[bruno_caron]: oh
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[paul_tyler]: from a
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[bruno_caron]: yeah
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[paul_tyler]: um
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[andy_panko]: yeah
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[paul_tyler]: from an advisor standpoint a lot of
advisors out there you know talking about the
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[bruno_caron]: oh
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[paul_tyler]: startups they’ve launched in stuff
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[bruno_caron]: oh
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[paul_tyler]: and
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[andy_panko]: yeah
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[paul_tyler]: hey listen today we’re lucky enough to
have another guest
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[andy_panko]: yeah
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[paul_tyler]: who is
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[bruno_caron]: m
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[paul_tyler]: it’s got a
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[andy_panko]: yeah
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[paul_tyler]: really interesting background
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[bruno_caron]: oh
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[paul_tyler]: and bring this
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[bruno_caron]: oh
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[paul_tyler]: kind of a wealth of experience to
both clients and
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[bruno_caron]: oh
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[paul_tyler]: advisors and i think well to our
listeners as well
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[andy_panko]: oh
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[paul_tyler]: and i’d like to welcome
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[andy_panko]: yeah
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[paul_tyler]: andy
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[bruno_caron]: oh
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[paul_tyler]: paco
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[bruno_caron]: oh
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[paul_tyler]: who is the
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[bruno_caron]: ah
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[paul_tyler]: owner and financial
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[andy_panko]: oh
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[paul_tyler]: planner
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[bruno_caron]: yeah
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[paul_tyler]: of tennant financial
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[andy_panko]: ye
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[paul_tyler]: in new jersey and welcome
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[bruno_caron]: oh
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[andy_panko]: hi hey guys thanks for having me
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[bruno_caron]: oh
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[paul_tyler]: and can you just tell people a
little bit about you know who you are
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[paul_tyler]: and what you do
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[andy_panko]: sure i am a solo
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[bruno_caron]: oh
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[andy_panko]: r i a operation based in new
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[bruno_caron]: yeah
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[andy_panko]: jersey firm name is ten in financial
i do financial planning
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[bruno_caron]: oh
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[andy_panko]: and investment management all togeter and one
combined offering specifically
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[bruno_caron]: oh
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[andy_panko]: working with people traditional interne retirement folks
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[bruno_caron]: oh
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[andy_panko]: um my my differentiator is really strong
tax knowledge
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[bruno_caron]: yeah
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[andy_panko]: tax focus and get very hands on
it in the weeds with
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[bruno_caron]: oh
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[paul_tyler]: oh
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[andy_panko]: tax planning around distributions medic are sure
charges affordable care at credits if people are
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[bruno_caron]: oh
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[andy_panko]: on affordable care act roth conversions et
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[bruno_caron]: oh
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[andy_panko]: and and tie it all together
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[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
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[andy_panko]: and do it all for at fee
that is not just percent of assets
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[paul_tyler]: okay flat fee that’s
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[bruno_caron]: yeah
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[paul_tyler]: not just a percentage of assets ramsey
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[andy_panko]: oh
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[paul_tyler]: what do you
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[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
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[paul_tyler]: think of that
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[bruno_caron]: oh
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[paul_tyler]: yeah
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[ramsey_d_smith]: i think
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[bruno_caron]: yah
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[ramsey_d_smith]: that’s an important business model for the
future and in financial planning you know one
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[ramsey_d_smith]: of the
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[paul_tyler]: oh
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[ramsey_d_smith]: one of the things that that we
that we face certainly s as folks that
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[ramsey_d_smith]: are in
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[bruno_caron]: yes
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[ramsey_d_smith]: the insurance industry is that you know
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[bruno_caron]: yeah
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[ramsey_d_smith]: a lot of the products and solutions
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[bruno_caron]: yeah
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[ramsey_d_smith]: that we provide to people umouknowdon’t they
compensate way many financial planners or financial advisers
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[ramsey_d_smith]: are used to getting compensated
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[ramsey_d_smith]: in leaden without getting into the debate
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[andy_panko]: right
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[ramsey_d_smith]: commissions versus
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[bruno_caron]: oh
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[andy_panko]: yeah
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[ramsey_d_smith]: w a u m p s which
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[bruno_caron]: oh
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[ramsey_d_smith]: more with les is just different
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[bruno_caron]: oh
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[ramsey_d_smith]: and you know a a flat feet
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[bruno_caron]: yeah
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[ramsey_d_smith]: with it the potential for like pure
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[bruno_caron]: yeah
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[ramsey_d_smith]: ure objectivity
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[bruno_caron]: yeah
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[ramsey_d_smith]: and from my perspective in a world
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[bruno_caron]: oh
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[ramsey_d_smith]: we’re looking for
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[bruno_caron]: oh
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[paul_tyler]: yeah
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[ramsey_d_smith]: for
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[bruno_caron]: yeah
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[ramsey_d_smith]: for incentive structures
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[andy_panko]: oh
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[ramsey_d_smith]: that that allow for the possibility
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[paul_tyler]: yeah
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[ramsey_d_smith]: of best interest
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[ramsey_d_smith]: advising
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[andy_panko]: oh
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[paul_tyler]: yeah
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[ramsey_d_smith]: think flat fees are marvellous for that
big fan
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[bruno_caron]: yeah
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[andy_panko]: thank you and that was my thoughts
as well and one of the reasons why
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[andy_panko]: when i set out and started this
business in twenty
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[bruno_caron]: oh
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[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
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[andy_panko]: nineteen and i was planning it for
about three years prior so i really thought
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[andy_panko]: through with intention what i wanted to
be how i wanted to charge what i
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[andy_panko]: wanted to offer who i wanted to
work
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[bruno_caron]: oh
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[andy_panko]: with et cetera i just i couldn’t
make sense of percent of assets i know
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[andy_panko]: the majority industry does that um
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[bruno_caron]: m
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[andy_panko]: and it’s just
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[andy_panko]: i worked in institutional investments in banking
for the better part of twenty years prior
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[andy_panko]: to doing this and was in and
around the percent of asset model and just
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[andy_panko]: saw i knew enough to know that
the amount of work
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[paul_tyler]: m
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[andy_panko]: or effort or resources or experts or
complexity involved in managing
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[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
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[andy_panko]: three million dollars versus one
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[bruno_caron]: oh
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[andy_panko]: just it’s not close linear an asset
size
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[bruno_caron]: oh
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[andy_panko]: is a terribly random indicator of the
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[bruno_caron]: m
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[andy_panko]: value provided the experts needed this resources
the time et cetera et cetera so so
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[andy_panko]: my thought was
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[bruno_caron]: oh
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[andy_panko]: i have a very clear focus of
who i want to work with what my
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[andy_panko]: services are going
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[bruno_caron]: yes
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[andy_panko]: to be i’m going to intentionally
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[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
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[andy_panko]: turn away anyone
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[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
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[andy_panko]: that’s outside this sort of
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[bruno_caron]: oh
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[andy_panko]: custom crafted avatar if
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[bruno_caron]: ah
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[andy_panko]: you will of the scenario and client
type i want to work with they’re all
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[andy_panko]: going no more or less want and
need the same services have the same general
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[andy_panko]: paying
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[bruno_caron]: oh
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[andy_panko]: points and planning opportunities et cetera
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[bruno_caron]: oh
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[andy_panko]: asset size
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[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
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[andy_panko]: frankly has nothing to do with it
so why charge on that let me come
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[andy_panko]: up with a fee that i think
is fair for what i do what i
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[andy_panko]: provide it’s loosely based on hours
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[ramsey_d_smith]: oh i
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[andy_panko]: also kind of roughly bench marked to
what would they be paying my typical ideal
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[andy_panko]: client would be paying under percent of
assets model so make sure i’m not straying
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[andy_panko]: too far from that and thats what
i came up with and it’s been
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[bruno_caron]: oh
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[andy_panko]: a it’s working out really well clients
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[bruno_caron]: oh
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[andy_panko]: like it i like it it does
it’s not conflict free you know i’ll be
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[andy_panko]: the first to say no
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[bruno_caron]: yeah
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[andy_panko]: fee model is conflict free
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[bruno_caron]: yeah
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[andy_panko]: but i feel it’s a lot more
logical and mutually fair
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[bruno_caron]: oh
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[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
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[andy_panko]: and has less flaws and less conflict
than something like percent of assets
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[ramsey_d_smith]: so i actually want to touch on
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[bruno_caron]: may
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[ramsey_d_smith]: that if we could because what are
i think the first thing you said which
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[ramsey_d_smith]: is that there’s no there’s
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[andy_panko]: yeah
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[ramsey_d_smith]: no version of compensation that doesn’t have
some kind of conflict
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[andy_panko]: right
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[bruno_caron]: yeah
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[ramsey_d_smith]: right so in this model what do
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[bruno_caron]: m
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[ramsey_d_smith]: you see is the conflict and how
do you how do you address
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[bruno_caron]: oh
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[ramsey_d_smith]: them
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[andy_panko]: the conflict is you know i charge
now eighty four hundred a year for single
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[andy_panko]: folks ninety six hundred from married
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[bruno_caron]: m
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[andy_panko]: i
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[paul_tyler]: m
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[andy_panko]: can in theory just sit with my
feet up on the
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[bruno_caron]: m
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[andy_panko]: desk and the money’s come and now
the client is always free to fire me
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[andy_panko]: and go separate way so they can
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[ramsey_d_smith]: hm
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[andy_panko]: always if they feel they’re not getting
enough value out of me or they feel
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[andy_panko]: i am messing around and not doing
anything then they
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[bruno_caron]: oh
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[andy_panko]: can simply cut ties and start paying
me um but you know that’s sort of
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[andy_panko]: the conflict where the money is always
coming in unless i really herentically fail
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[bruno_caron]: yeah
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[andy_panko]: the client by some way in which
case then they’re gonna leave
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[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
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[bruno_caron]: oh
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[andy_panko]: so not to say it doesn’t incentivize
me to work i mean there’s always the
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[andy_panko]: incentive you want to work you want
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[bruno_caron]: yeah
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[andy_panko]: to provide value you want to show
the client you’re doing something for them so
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[andy_panko]: i still have that but
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[bruno_caron]: m
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[andy_panko]: um now just to be fair that
there’s the conflict
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[bruno_caron]: yah
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[andy_panko]: that the
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[paul_tyler]: ye
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[andy_panko]: fee is the fee it’s always
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[bruno_caron]: h
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[andy_panko]: going to show up until they fire
me
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[ramsey_d_smith]: sure
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[bruno_caron]: oh
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[ramsey_d_smith]: well i think you’re being you’re being
modest generous
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[bruno_caron]: oh
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[andy_panko]: m
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[ramsey_d_smith]: right
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[andy_panko]: uh
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[ramsey_d_smith]: being a bit modest in that
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[bruno_caron]: yeah
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[ramsey_d_smith]: the end of
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[andy_panko]: h
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[ramsey_d_smith]: the day you’re you’re justifying an explicit
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[bruno_caron]: oh
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[ramsey_d_smith]: fee every year and there’s a
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[andy_panko]: oh
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[ramsey_d_smith]: conversation it sounds like a m p
s just sort of slip
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[bruno_caron]: oh
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[ramsey_d_smith]: into the
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[andy_panko]: yeah
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[ramsey_d_smith]: returns
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[bruno_caron]: oh
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[ramsey_d_smith]: right and
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[bruno_caron]: yeah
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[ramsey_d_smith]: sometimes aren’t
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[andy_panko]: m
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[ramsey_d_smith]: all that
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[bruno_caron]: m
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[ramsey_d_smith]: it’s visible
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[andy_panko]: it’s
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[ramsey_d_smith]: so
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[andy_panko]: yeah
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[bruno_caron]: yeah
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[andy_panko]: and mpesargoof
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[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah oh
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[andy_panko]: in a lot of way so
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[bruno_caron]: oh
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[andy_panko]: advisors get more
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[ramsey_d_smith]: ye
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[andy_panko]: let’s call it what it is advisors
vast join advisors don’t
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[bruno_caron]: m
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[andy_panko]: have any special modo or secret sauce
when it comes to picking vestments and out
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[andy_panko]: performing the markets we all know that
there’s
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[bruno_caron]: oh
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[andy_panko]: endless
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[ramsey_d_smith]: m
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[andy_panko]: amounts of research
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[ramsey_d_smith]: m
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[andy_panko]: that show that
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[bruno_caron]: oh
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[andy_panko]: yet when markets go
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[bruno_caron]: yeah
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[andy_panko]: up advisors make more all else equal
simply
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[bruno_caron]: oh
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[andy_panko]: because the market went up
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[bruno_caron]: oh
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[andy_panko]: it’s just bata it’s not advisor magic
it’s not advisor special service it’s simply bata
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[andy_panko]: and oftentimes when markets are good
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[bruno_caron]: m
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[andy_panko]: and chugging along people don’t have problems
you know clients
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[bruno_caron]: m
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[andy_panko]: aren’t reaching out oh my god what
we’re going to do et cetera
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[bruno_caron]: m
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[andy_panko]: now is the opposite now markets down
twenty thirty
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[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
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[andy_panko]: per cent
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[bruno_caron]: oh
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[andy_panko]: advisers getting paid
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[bruno_caron]: yeah
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[andy_panko]: all s equal you now twenty to
thirty per cent
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[bruno_caron]: oh
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[andy_panko]: less clients are more on edge reaching
out
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[bruno_caron]: oh
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[andy_panko]: now if nothing else there’s more calls
and emails you have to feel to talk
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[bruno_caron]: ah
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[andy_panko]: with clients and you know
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[bruno_caron]: ah
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[andy_panko]: welcome alleged things like that and there’s
more planning opportunities like tax lost harvesting and
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[andy_panko]: doing roth conversion with things redowa so
there’s a real strong
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[bruno_caron]: oh
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[andy_panko]: argument logical argument to be made that
advisors work more do more ovide more value
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[andy_panko]: when assets are down ad they’re getting
paid less
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[bruno_caron]: oh
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[andy_panko]: than the opposite so
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[bruno_caron]: oh
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[andy_panko]: you know for that amongst a host
of other reasons just percent
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[paul_tyler]: yeah
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[bruno_caron]: oh
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[andy_panko]: of assets is such a goofy
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[ramsey_d_smith]: ah
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[andy_panko]: silly
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[bruno_caron]: oh
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[andy_panko]: um arbitrary almost backward way to charge
in my opinion for the reasons
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[bruno_caron]: ah
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[andy_panko]: i mentioned
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[paul_tyler]: fascinatin so ah it’s the more more
phone
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[bruno_caron]: ah
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[paul_tyler]: calls
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[andy_panko]: oh
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[paul_tyler]: come in the less you less you
make
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[bruno_caron]: oh
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[paul_tyler]: um
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[andy_panko]: yep
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[paul_tyler]: commission structures are fascening you know i
ran
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[bruno_caron]: yeah
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[paul_tyler]: commissions for an insurance company for
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[bruno_caron]: yeah
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[paul_tyler]: year and a half that
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[bruno_caron]: oh
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[paul_tyler]: was two years that was an interesting
experience i mean to learn a lot
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[andy_panko]: m
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[bruno_caron]: oh
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[paul_tyler]: you have an institutional
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[andy_panko]: ah
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[paul_tyler]: background tell us a little bit about
that and
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[bruno_caron]: yeah
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[paul_tyler]: how does that how is that shaped
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[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
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[bruno_caron]: yah
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[paul_tyler]: your practice with individuals
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[bruno_caron]: h
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[andy_panko]: sure so
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[bruno_caron]: m
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[andy_panko]: all of my experience
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[bruno_caron]: oh
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[andy_panko]: and experiences that almost have it didn’t
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[bruno_caron]: oh
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[andy_panko]: shaped my views my practice what i
do now so going all the way back
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[andy_panko]: i graduate to college
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[bruno_caron]: oh
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[andy_panko]: two thousand went to school for finance
wanted to
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[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
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[andy_panko]: be an
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[bruno_caron]: oh
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[andy_panko]: advisor not knowing what it was just
wanted
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[bruno_caron]: yeah
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[andy_panko]: to help people with money you know
is that simple
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[bruno_caron]: oh
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[andy_panko]: um
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[bruno_caron]: ah
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[andy_panko]: i interviewed
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[bruno_caron]: yeah
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[andy_panko]: at a lot of the large places
who were
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[bruno_caron]: yeah
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[andy_panko]: on campus namely large insurance companies and
the big wire houses and quickly got turned
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[andy_panko]: off
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[bruno_caron]: m
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[andy_panko]: this was again twenty something years ago
there was much more of a perverse
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[bruno_caron]: yeah
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[andy_panko]: sales culture
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[bruno_caron]: yeah
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[andy_panko]: a um gathering called or sell this
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[bruno_caron]: oh
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[andy_panko]: loaded mutual fund culture
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[bruno_caron]: yea
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[andy_panko]: then than there is now and you
know
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[bruno_caron]: yeah
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[andy_panko]: the common denominator with all those things
i was interviewed for was just sell else
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[bruno_caron]: oh
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00:10:08,973 –> 00:10:12,018
[andy_panko]: and i never wanted to do sales
in the traditional sense so
457
00:10:12,065 –> 00:10:12,388
[bruno_caron]: oh
458
00:10:12,098 –> 00:10:14,171
[andy_panko]: i i got turned of by that
and gave up in the idea of being
459
00:10:14,211 –> 00:10:16,011
[andy_panko]: an advisor stumbled
460
00:10:15,905 –> 00:10:16,168
[bruno_caron]: yah
461
00:10:16,051 –> 00:10:17,353
[andy_panko]: into an actuarial job at
462
00:10:17,384 –> 00:10:17,405
[bruno_caron]: h
463
00:10:17,433 –> 00:10:19,657
[andy_panko]: a major insure you know on the
corporate side
464
00:10:19,535 –> 00:10:19,940
[bruno_caron]: oh
465
00:10:19,797 –> 00:10:20,438
[andy_panko]: not advising at
466
00:10:20,405 –> 00:10:20,628
[bruno_caron]: oh
467
00:10:20,498 –> 00:10:24,104
[andy_panko]: all and it was cool did that
i was
468
00:10:24,185 –> 00:10:24,409
[bruno_caron]: yeah
469
00:10:24,224 –> 00:10:27,209
[andy_panko]: at a major insurance company in the
us for for four years
470
00:10:27,695 –> 00:10:28,565
[bruno_caron]: oh
471
00:10:27,931 –> 00:10:29,533
[andy_panko]: put myself on my own rotation while
472
00:10:29,435 –> 00:10:29,719
[bruno_caron]: oh
473
00:10:29,553 –> 00:10:31,296
[andy_panko]: i was there i wanted to see
and do different things
474
00:10:31,184 –> 00:10:31,205
[bruno_caron]: m
475
00:10:31,316 –> 00:10:32,979
[andy_panko]: you know super young and eager and
wanted to learn
476
00:10:32,855 –> 00:10:33,097
[bruno_caron]: oh
477
00:10:34,021 –> 00:10:35,543
[andy_panko]: so in the four years i was
there
478
00:10:35,585 –> 00:10:35,846
[bruno_caron]: oh
479
00:10:35,704 –> 00:10:39,730
[andy_panko]: i had four different roles one was
an actuary role one
480
00:10:39,648 –> 00:10:39,668
[bruno_caron]: m
481
00:10:39,830 –> 00:10:44,779
[andy_panko]: was helping manage a general account one
was securities lending and the fourth
482
00:10:44,585 –> 00:10:44,806
[bruno_caron]: yes
483
00:10:44,919 –> 00:10:47,844
[andy_panko]: one was private placement credit research so
saw
484
00:10:47,885 –> 00:10:48,109
[bruno_caron]: yeah
485
00:10:48,024 –> 00:10:52,792
[andy_panko]: dramatically different areas of the insurance world
but learned boat load in that relatively short
486
00:10:52,852 –> 00:10:54,815
[andy_panko]: time about insurance and investments
487
00:10:54,815 –> 00:10:55,057
[bruno_caron]: yeah
488
00:10:54,876 –> 00:10:59,363
[andy_panko]: and etcetera um got my m b
a while i was there i went part
489
00:10:59,443 –> 00:11:02,648
[andy_panko]: time the company i was at paid
for they paid ninety percent so
490
00:11:02,585 –> 00:11:02,826
[bruno_caron]: yes
491
00:11:03,350 –> 00:11:05,530
[andy_panko]: is working while going to school with
492
00:11:05,555 –> 00:11:06,155
[bruno_caron]: yeah
493
00:11:05,690 –> 00:11:09,497
[andy_panko]: m b a in hand i left
there was no requirement to stay even though
494
00:11:09,517 –> 00:11:09,857
[andy_panko]: they paid for
495
00:11:09,854 –> 00:11:09,875
[bruno_caron]: m
496
00:11:09,877 –> 00:11:10,578
[andy_panko]: the majority of it
497
00:11:11,195 –> 00:11:11,420
[bruno_caron]: oh
498
00:11:11,440 –> 00:11:13,664
[andy_panko]: so i left went to a large
499
00:11:14,045 –> 00:11:14,326
[bruno_caron]: oh
500
00:11:14,084 –> 00:11:20,695
[andy_panko]: japanese global bank to do counterpart derivative
credit research so basically
501
00:11:21,245 –> 00:11:21,448
[bruno_caron]: oh
502
00:11:21,376 –> 00:11:25,964
[andy_panko]: the bank was trading for in exchange
interest rate derivatives and credit the fault swaps
503
00:11:26,305 –> 00:11:27,106
[andy_panko]: with other banks
504
00:11:27,785 –> 00:11:28,349
[bruno_caron]: oh
505
00:11:27,887 –> 00:11:32,295
[andy_panko]: hedge funds and do the analysis of
how much risk and exposure are
506
00:11:32,254 –> 00:11:33,481
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
507
00:11:32,315 –> 00:11:36,381
[andy_panko]: we comfortable taking to the banks and
these hedge funds with these derivative products were
508
00:11:36,402 –> 00:11:41,531
[andy_panko]: trading did that for a few years
move to market risk analyzing the risk of
509
00:11:41,855 –> 00:11:42,157
[bruno_caron]: oh
510
00:11:41,993 –> 00:11:43,239
[andy_panko]: those same products interest rate
511
00:11:43,265 –> 00:11:43,530
[bruno_caron]: oh
512
00:11:43,279 –> 00:11:48,374
[andy_panko]: derivatives for in exchange credit the fault
um and then bounced around a few other
513
00:11:49,025 –> 00:11:49,287
[bruno_caron]: oh
514
00:11:49,155 –> 00:11:52,902
[andy_panko]: large banks all more or less doing
the same sort of counter
515
00:11:52,625 –> 00:11:52,829
[bruno_caron]: yeah
516
00:11:52,982 –> 00:11:53,703
[andy_panko]: party credit
517
00:11:53,675 –> 00:11:54,335
[bruno_caron]: yeah
518
00:11:54,063 –> 00:11:58,471
[andy_panko]: analysis where majority of my career was
we would do to if trades
519
00:11:58,324 –> 00:11:58,546
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
520
00:11:58,631 –> 00:12:02,077
[andy_panko]: end or lend money through prime brokerage
to hedge funds private equity funds
521
00:12:02,615 –> 00:12:02,919
[bruno_caron]: oh
522
00:12:03,139 –> 00:12:03,880
[andy_panko]: finance like
523
00:12:03,835 –> 00:12:04,058
[ramsey_d_smith]: yes
524
00:12:04,100 –> 00:12:06,184
[andy_panko]: activist position trades and all sorts of
funky
525
00:12:06,065 –> 00:12:06,287
[bruno_caron]: yeah
526
00:12:06,304 –> 00:12:13,175
[andy_panko]: equity trades and foreign exchange and rate
derivatives so in all that got tremendous exposure
527
00:12:13,316 –> 00:12:14,277
[andy_panko]: to you know
528
00:12:15,005 –> 00:12:15,206
[bruno_caron]: yeah
529
00:12:15,760 –> 00:12:21,690
[andy_panko]: working with investment managers doing due diligence
on their traders their portfolio managers there financing
530
00:12:21,770 –> 00:12:22,492
[andy_panko]: desks or treasury
531
00:12:22,295 –> 00:12:22,597
[bruno_caron]: yeah
532
00:12:22,552 –> 00:12:24,297
[andy_panko]: desks or operations and just
533
00:12:24,273 –> 00:12:24,455
[bruno_caron]: yeah
534
00:12:24,317 –> 00:12:27,988
[andy_panko]: really learned the inner workings of investing
in the products behind it
535
00:12:28,654 –> 00:12:28,876
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
536
00:12:28,900 –> 00:12:29,901
[andy_panko]: couple that with the insurance
537
00:12:29,614 –> 00:12:29,776
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
538
00:12:29,921 –> 00:12:34,085
[andy_panko]: experience i had where i saw how
the sausage is made in managing the general
539
00:12:33,904 –> 00:12:34,205
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
540
00:12:34,125 –> 00:12:39,281
[andy_panko]: accounts and how actuaries price and create
things and so all that
541
00:12:39,623 –> 00:12:39,763
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
542
00:12:39,762 –> 00:12:39,982
[andy_panko]: helped
543
00:12:39,875 –> 00:12:40,117
[bruno_caron]: oh
544
00:12:40,123 –> 00:12:43,428
[andy_panko]: form this sort of deeper level of
knowledge and understanding about
545
00:12:43,444 –> 00:12:44,494
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
546
00:12:43,468 –> 00:12:47,395
[andy_panko]: a lot of the products and strategies
belying retail financial advising
547
00:12:47,825 –> 00:12:48,109
[bruno_caron]: oh
548
00:12:48,196 –> 00:12:53,222
[andy_panko]: so coming back full circle it was
twenty fifteen or sixteen still doing the institutional
549
00:12:53,302 –> 00:12:59,116
[andy_panko]: thing long commute in and out of
mid town manhattan long hours stressful days i
550
00:12:59,177 –> 00:13:02,223
[andy_panko]: was like i don’t i don’t at
to do this other twenty years made good
551
00:13:02,263 –> 00:13:02,443
[andy_panko]: money
552
00:13:03,095 –> 00:13:03,115
[bruno_caron]: m
553
00:13:03,184 –> 00:13:04,847
[andy_panko]: worked with some great folks saw some
554
00:13:04,804 –> 00:13:05,404
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
555
00:13:04,907 –> 00:13:09,715
[andy_panko]: incredibly cool funky things but just i
don’t want to do this you know
556
00:13:09,725 –> 00:13:10,027
[bruno_caron]: oh
557
00:13:10,036 –> 00:13:12,680
[andy_panko]: that much longer i always had this
itch work
558
00:13:12,605 –> 00:13:12,828
[bruno_caron]: yeah
559
00:13:12,760 –> 00:13:15,786
[andy_panko]: with with individuals directly you know thought
that’d be more fulfilling and
560
00:13:15,755 –> 00:13:15,998
[bruno_caron]: yes
561
00:13:15,847 –> 00:13:20,124
[andy_panko]: satisfying as opposed to helping a hedge
fun make more money in the trade you
562
00:13:20,164 –> 00:13:22,668
[andy_panko]: now i want to help individuals make
meaningful decisions
563
00:13:22,625 –> 00:13:22,645
[bruno_caron]: m
564
00:13:22,689 –> 00:13:25,113
[andy_panko]: in their lives so i don’t
565
00:13:25,115 –> 00:13:25,382
[bruno_caron]: yeah
566
00:13:25,153 –> 00:13:30,221
[andy_panko]: know exactly how but i came across
the x y planning that works podcast and
567
00:13:30,261 –> 00:13:33,687
[andy_panko]: that blew the lid off for me
that’s where they started interviewing you know every
568
00:13:33,787 –> 00:13:37,854
[andy_panko]: week a different financial visor who’s focusing
on working with gnxragen
569
00:13:37,446 –> 00:13:37,547
[ramsey_d_smith]: ah
570
00:13:38,495 –> 00:13:44,084
[andy_panko]: and has alternate fee structures service models
they do early service um et cetera it’s
571
00:13:44,184 –> 00:13:48,311
[andy_panko]: not just sell product that’s not just
gather assets is where i’m going and hearing
572
00:13:48,431 –> 00:13:52,598
[andy_panko]: other people’s stories that yeah wow you
can do advising and planning the way you
573
00:13:52,618 –> 00:13:56,645
[andy_panko]: think it should be done that was
it like i was hooked that then re
574
00:13:56,705 –> 00:14:01,233
[andy_panko]: invigorated me to be like yeh let
me revisit this financial advising thing
575
00:14:01,415 –> 00:14:02,795
[bruno_caron]: oh
576
00:14:02,014 –> 00:14:04,558
[andy_panko]: but let me do it on my
terms you know i want to work for
577
00:14:04,598 –> 00:14:07,809
[andy_panko]: myself i don’t want get a big
place anymore i did that for twenty years
578
00:14:07,670 –> 00:14:07,690
[bruno_caron]: a
579
00:14:07,849 –> 00:14:08,511
[andy_panko]: i dont want to commute
580
00:14:09,095 –> 00:14:09,358
[bruno_caron]: oh
581
00:14:09,234 –> 00:14:10,257
[andy_panko]: i want to work with individuals
582
00:14:10,895 –> 00:14:11,825
[bruno_caron]: oh
583
00:14:11,040 –> 00:14:14,225
[andy_panko]: but work with people i want to
work with provide services i want to provide
584
00:14:15,106 –> 00:14:17,651
[andy_panko]: charge how i want to charge i
don’t want to be hamstrung to have to
585
00:14:17,691 –> 00:14:22,218
[andy_panko]: do percent of assets or only cell
product and it all sort of came together
586
00:14:22,338 –> 00:14:25,147
[andy_panko]: with with launching my business twenty nineteen
587
00:14:26,554 –> 00:14:27,394
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
588
00:14:26,590 –> 00:14:28,453
[andy_panko]: how i want to do it with
who i want to do how i want
589
00:14:28,493 –> 00:14:32,140
[andy_panko]: to charge and it’s thankfully but everything
i thought it would be in the what
590
00:14:32,200 –> 00:14:35,906
[andy_panko]: are we almost three years now so
i dropped a lot on you i’ll leave
591
00:14:35,946 –> 00:14:36,427
[andy_panko]: it there for now
592
00:14:36,956 –> 00:14:37,037
[bruno_caron]: so
593
00:14:37,176 –> 00:14:38,198
[paul_tyler]: no that’s that’s that’s
594
00:14:38,160 –> 00:14:38,504
[andy_panko]: oh
595
00:14:38,499 –> 00:14:38,840
[paul_tyler]: i mean it’s
596
00:14:38,765 –> 00:14:38,992
[bruno_caron]: yeah
597
00:14:39,020 –> 00:14:40,784
[paul_tyler]: an interesting journey right and i think
598
00:14:41,229 –> 00:14:41,250
[andy_panko]: m
599
00:14:42,065 –> 00:14:42,287
[bruno_caron]: oh
600
00:14:42,767 –> 00:14:43,810
[paul_tyler]: i think your your clients
601
00:14:43,680 –> 00:14:44,790
[andy_panko]: yeah
602
00:14:43,850 –> 00:14:44,631
[paul_tyler]: are lucky to have you
603
00:14:45,305 –> 00:14:45,325
[bruno_caron]: m
604
00:14:45,710 –> 00:14:45,971
[andy_panko]: thank you
605
00:14:45,954 –> 00:14:46,054
[paul_tyler]: have
606
00:14:45,964 –> 00:14:46,144
[ramsey_d_smith]: i mean
607
00:14:46,094 –> 00:14:46,194
[paul_tyler]: that
608
00:14:46,204 –> 00:14:47,025
[ramsey_d_smith]: i got to say like
609
00:14:47,266 –> 00:14:47,286
[paul_tyler]: m
610
00:14:47,366 –> 00:14:48,488
[ramsey_d_smith]: uh that is a
611
00:14:48,496 –> 00:14:49,846
[paul_tyler]: yeah
612
00:14:48,748 –> 00:14:50,892
[ramsey_d_smith]: very there’s a very
613
00:14:50,758 –> 00:14:50,839
[paul_tyler]: ah
614
00:14:51,072 –> 00:14:51,433
[ramsey_d_smith]: broad
615
00:14:51,240 –> 00:14:51,441
[andy_panko]: yeah
616
00:14:51,533 –> 00:14:54,758
[ramsey_d_smith]: background and a lot of depth and
a lot of areas and so
617
00:14:54,815 –> 00:14:54,835
[bruno_caron]: m
618
00:14:54,859 –> 00:14:54,879
[ramsey_d_smith]: i
619
00:14:56,557 –> 00:14:56,597
[bruno_caron]: m
620
00:14:56,625 –> 00:14:56,687
[andy_panko]: ah
621
00:14:57,002 –> 00:14:58,685
[ramsey_d_smith]: ran a derivative deb for twenty
622
00:14:58,560 –> 00:14:59,160
[andy_panko]: yeah
623
00:14:58,725 –> 00:15:00,328
[ramsey_d_smith]: years so i had conversations
624
00:14:59,751 –> 00:14:59,915
[andy_panko]: okay
625
00:15:00,428 –> 00:15:02,071
[ramsey_d_smith]: with someone in that role
626
00:15:03,462 –> 00:15:03,623
[andy_panko]: yeah
627
00:15:03,505 –> 00:15:03,526
[paul_tyler]: m
628
00:15:04,034 –> 00:15:04,495
[ramsey_d_smith]: discussing
629
00:15:04,216 –> 00:15:04,461
[paul_tyler]: yeah
630
00:15:04,385 –> 00:15:05,465
[bruno_caron]: oh
631
00:15:04,555 –> 00:15:06,618
[ramsey_d_smith]: capacity like every day so
632
00:15:06,856 –> 00:15:07,756
[paul_tyler]: oh
633
00:15:07,310 –> 00:15:07,430
[andy_panko]: t was
634
00:15:07,460 –> 00:15:07,560
[ramsey_d_smith]: so
635
00:15:07,490 –> 00:15:07,571
[andy_panko]: me
636
00:15:07,640 –> 00:15:07,880
[ramsey_d_smith]: much of
637
00:15:08,075 –> 00:15:08,095
[bruno_caron]: u
638
00:15:08,461 –> 00:15:08,762
[ramsey_d_smith]: so much
639
00:15:08,780 –> 00:15:08,800
[bruno_caron]: h
640
00:15:08,802 –> 00:15:09,323
[ramsey_d_smith]: of what you did
641
00:15:09,404 –> 00:15:09,425
[bruno_caron]: h
642
00:15:09,563 –> 00:15:11,546
[ramsey_d_smith]: you know very strong understanding and understanding
643
00:15:11,490 –> 00:15:11,510
[andy_panko]: m
644
00:15:11,687 –> 00:15:12,889
[ramsey_d_smith]: like what it what it takes
645
00:15:12,785 –> 00:15:12,805
[bruno_caron]: m
646
00:15:12,929 –> 00:15:15,313
[ramsey_d_smith]: to to be good at that and
like so i think about like
647
00:15:15,425 –> 00:15:15,707
[bruno_caron]: oh
648
00:15:16,394 –> 00:15:17,717
[ramsey_d_smith]: i think about all you’ve done
649
00:15:18,256 –> 00:15:18,499
[paul_tyler]: yes
650
00:15:18,598 –> 00:15:18,778
[ramsey_d_smith]: pless
651
00:15:18,755 –> 00:15:19,078
[bruno_caron]: oh
652
00:15:18,818 –> 00:15:22,044
[ramsey_d_smith]: you said you know you’re focus on
tax like you walk to
653
00:15:21,970 –> 00:15:22,500
[andy_panko]: what
654
00:15:22,145 –> 00:15:23,490
[ramsey_d_smith]: a planning conversation
655
00:15:23,211 –> 00:15:23,271
[andy_panko]: to
656
00:15:24,574 –> 00:15:29,643
[ramsey_d_smith]: with with someone with with just way
more tools than your average
657
00:15:29,490 –> 00:15:29,752
[andy_panko]: yeah
658
00:15:30,124 –> 00:15:30,945
[ramsey_d_smith]: planner is going to have
659
00:15:30,905 –> 00:15:31,148
[bruno_caron]: yes
660
00:15:31,466 –> 00:15:31,827
[ramsey_d_smith]: and because
661
00:15:32,465 –> 00:15:33,605
[bruno_caron]: my
662
00:15:32,588 –> 00:15:34,391
[ramsey_d_smith]: they don’t teach all that stuff in
the c f p right
663
00:15:35,015 –> 00:15:35,297
[bruno_caron]: oh
664
00:15:35,280 –> 00:15:35,380
[andy_panko]: no
665
00:15:35,395 –> 00:15:35,416
[paul_tyler]: m
666
00:15:35,874 –> 00:15:36,014
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
667
00:15:35,883 –> 00:15:36,446
[andy_panko]: definitely not
668
00:15:36,875 –> 00:15:36,976
[ramsey_d_smith]: so
669
00:15:37,231 –> 00:15:37,372
[andy_panko]: yeah
670
00:15:37,817 –> 00:15:41,815
[ramsey_d_smith]: so guess two questions like how do
you how do you
671
00:15:42,095 –> 00:15:42,319
[bruno_caron]: yeah
672
00:15:42,416 –> 00:15:45,220
[ramsey_d_smith]: how are you leveraging that to get
you know i guess to sort of beat
673
00:15:45,260 –> 00:15:46,042
[ramsey_d_smith]: out the competition
674
00:15:45,780 –> 00:15:46,063
[andy_panko]: oh
675
00:15:46,142 –> 00:15:47,644
[ramsey_d_smith]: given that you’ve got these extra tools
676
00:15:48,215 –> 00:15:48,439
[bruno_caron]: oh
677
00:15:48,225 –> 00:15:50,109
[ramsey_d_smith]: and the other piece and this is
sort of one of the things that i
678
00:15:50,169 –> 00:15:51,731
[ramsey_d_smith]: always wonder when you got when one
goes
679
00:15:51,720 –> 00:15:51,924
[andy_panko]: yah
680
00:15:51,771 –> 00:15:59,471
[ramsey_d_smith]: from institutional too the individual do you
know is do the individuals kind of understand
681
00:16:00,121 –> 00:16:00,242
[andy_panko]: ah
682
00:16:00,876 –> 00:16:00,977
[ramsey_d_smith]: how
683
00:16:00,890 –> 00:16:01,385
[bruno_caron]: oh
684
00:16:01,017 –> 00:16:02,830
[ramsey_d_smith]: much depth you have how do you
sort of
685
00:16:02,883 –> 00:16:03,066
[andy_panko]: oh
686
00:16:03,894 –> 00:16:05,798
[ramsey_d_smith]: communicate to them that you know stuff
687
00:16:05,670 –> 00:16:06,690
[andy_panko]: oh
688
00:16:05,838 –> 00:16:06,500
[ramsey_d_smith]: that like the
689
00:16:07,565 –> 00:16:07,585
[bruno_caron]: m
690
00:16:07,645 –> 00:16:07,666
[paul_tyler]: m
691
00:16:08,160 –> 00:16:08,321
[andy_panko]: yeah
692
00:16:08,224 –> 00:16:09,649
[ramsey_d_smith]: so many other people just would never
693
00:16:09,556 –> 00:16:09,804
[paul_tyler]: oh
694
00:16:09,689 –> 00:16:11,073
[ramsey_d_smith]: have had the opportunity to touch
695
00:16:11,190 –> 00:16:11,471
[andy_panko]: oh
696
00:16:11,555 –> 00:16:12,458
[ramsey_d_smith]: that’s one of the toughest things
697
00:16:12,545 –> 00:16:13,010
[bruno_caron]: oh
698
00:16:12,759 –> 00:16:13,682
[ramsey_d_smith]: in my view that i’ve seen
699
00:16:14,720 –> 00:16:18,286
[andy_panko]: yeah and the that’s a million dollar
question for advisors
700
00:16:17,844 –> 00:16:18,634
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
701
00:16:18,366 –> 00:16:20,350
[andy_panko]: how do you market how do you
get in front of people you
702
00:16:20,294 –> 00:16:20,415
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
703
00:16:20,390 –> 00:16:23,455
[andy_panko]: can be the best most technically proficient
704
00:16:24,065 –> 00:16:24,085
[bruno_caron]: m
705
00:16:24,376 –> 00:16:25,738
[andy_panko]: most perfect adviser there is
706
00:16:26,375 –> 00:16:26,679
[bruno_caron]: oh
707
00:16:26,780 –> 00:16:28,163
[andy_panko]: if you can’t get front of people
it doesn’t matter
708
00:16:28,474 –> 00:16:28,616
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
709
00:16:28,643 –> 00:16:29,425
[andy_panko]: you have no business
710
00:16:30,005 –> 00:16:30,246
[bruno_caron]: oh
711
00:16:30,426 –> 00:16:33,471
[andy_panko]: um i i sort of got lucky
sort of had
712
00:16:33,515 –> 00:16:34,295
[bruno_caron]: yeah
713
00:16:33,531 –> 00:16:37,037
[andy_panko]: some intention in how i got my
exposure and myself
714
00:16:36,785 –> 00:16:37,007
[bruno_caron]: yes
715
00:16:37,117 –> 00:16:39,841
[andy_panko]: in front of people was through a
facebook group
716
00:16:39,905 –> 00:16:40,126
[bruno_caron]: oh
717
00:16:39,942 –> 00:16:40,482
[andy_panko]: i created
718
00:16:40,726 –> 00:16:40,746
[paul_tyler]: m
719
00:16:41,584 –> 00:16:46,673
[andy_panko]: called taxes in retirement and so i
started my business november twenty nineteen i was
720
00:16:46,713 –> 00:16:47,394
[andy_panko]: doing traditional
721
00:16:47,165 –> 00:16:47,328
[bruno_caron]: yeah
722
00:16:47,454 –> 00:16:51,160
[andy_panko]: marketing stuff local library seminars taken centers
influence
723
00:16:50,915 –> 00:16:51,160
[bruno_caron]: oh
724
00:16:51,201 –> 00:16:53,966
[andy_panko]: out to lunch um trying to get
published
725
00:16:53,855 –> 00:16:54,098
[bruno_caron]: yeah
726
00:16:54,026 –> 00:16:58,295
[andy_panko]: in some o us news articles and
things like that and none of those really
727
00:16:58,294 –> 00:16:58,656
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
728
00:16:58,475 –> 00:17:02,031
[andy_panko]: seem to click or at least not
immediately and then pandemic happened a few months
729
00:17:02,051 –> 00:17:06,355
[andy_panko]: later and world stopped an there’s no
more in person lunches or seminars or whatever
730
00:17:07,436 –> 00:17:10,639
[andy_panko]: and so i’m like a right now
what so i started this facebook group just
731
00:17:11,530 –> 00:17:13,593
[andy_panko]: nothing else to do i was locked
in my house i was like let me
732
00:17:13,673 –> 00:17:17,720
[andy_panko]: just get online try to get exposure
to people by way of a group invite
733
00:17:17,760 –> 00:17:23,831
[andy_panko]: people to join answer their questions i’d
share helpful and sightful things about retire planning
734
00:17:23,851 –> 00:17:28,843
[andy_panko]: with a tax focus to it and
ramsey to your point like i try to
735
00:17:29,014 –> 00:17:29,257
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
736
00:17:29,163 –> 00:17:32,309
[andy_panko]: be modest but i know i know
my stuff really well from a technical perspective
737
00:17:32,349 –> 00:17:35,714
[andy_panko]: i know i have this depth from
my previous career that the vast majority
738
00:17:35,585 –> 00:17:36,066
[bruno_caron]: oh
739
00:17:35,774 –> 00:17:38,419
[andy_panko]: of retail advisors don’t and probably never
will
740
00:17:38,746 –> 00:17:39,796
[paul_tyler]: oh
741
00:17:39,341 –> 00:17:39,823
[andy_panko]: so so i know
742
00:17:39,794 –> 00:17:39,995
[bruno_caron]: yeah
743
00:17:39,863 –> 00:17:43,141
[andy_panko]: the knowledge is there and i know
i could explain and
744
00:17:43,146 –> 00:17:43,247
[bruno_caron]: ah
745
00:17:43,262 –> 00:17:47,888
[andy_panko]: educate well even these technical concepts so
i thought a facebook group could be a
746
00:17:47,968 –> 00:17:48,208
[andy_panko]: great
747
00:17:48,496 –> 00:17:48,800
[paul_tyler]: yeah
748
00:17:48,588 –> 00:17:51,883
[andy_panko]: outlet for me to do that because
it’s this sort of
749
00:17:51,874 –> 00:17:52,324
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
750
00:17:52,084 –> 00:17:58,014
[andy_panko]: iterative collaborative people show up i’m there
you ask questions i answer blahblablah and that’s
751
00:17:58,034 –> 00:18:01,960
[andy_panko]: what happened so people would ask questions
about whatever roth conversions or me care or
752
00:18:02,020 –> 00:18:02,381
[andy_panko]: something
753
00:18:02,159 –> 00:18:02,199
[bruno_caron]: m
754
00:18:02,782 –> 00:18:02,942
[andy_panko]: and i
755
00:18:02,954 –> 00:18:02,975
[bruno_caron]: m
756
00:18:03,002 –> 00:18:07,469
[andy_panko]: would give this really long super thorough
detailed answer not crossing the line i’ve never
757
00:18:07,529 –> 00:18:09,653
[andy_panko]: given specific advice like i’m not recommending
investments
758
00:18:10,115 –> 00:18:10,715
[bruno_caron]: oh
759
00:18:10,414 –> 00:18:14,987
[andy_panko]: but answering questions about how taxation works
on this or that ther um
760
00:18:15,485 –> 00:18:16,145
[bruno_caron]: yeah
761
00:18:15,490 –> 00:18:16,656
[andy_panko]: that’s what i did and
762
00:18:17,536 –> 00:18:17,698
[paul_tyler]: ye
763
00:18:18,010 –> 00:18:22,397
[andy_panko]: people would frequently respond like wow he
that that was a quicker response than ever
764
00:18:22,437 –> 00:18:27,145
[andy_panko]: got from my adviser and be my
adviser doesn’t even know that and i’m like
765
00:18:27,746 –> 00:18:30,915
[andy_panko]: and i’m giving it away for free
and i’m so i’m on to something here
766
00:18:31,056 –> 00:18:32,604
[andy_panko]: and so people more more people kept
767
00:18:32,554 –> 00:18:33,514
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
768
00:18:32,645 –> 00:18:32,946
[andy_panko]: joining
769
00:18:33,815 –> 00:18:33,835
[bruno_caron]: m
770
00:18:34,050 –> 00:18:36,193
[andy_panko]: more more questions were asked me more
questions i answered
771
00:18:36,568 –> 00:18:36,629
[paul_tyler]: ah
772
00:18:37,055 –> 00:18:40,621
[andy_panko]: and i started doing live videos every
wednesday night at eight p m eastern in
773
00:18:41,442 –> 00:18:43,666
[andy_panko]: june twenty twenty about different topics
774
00:18:44,285 –> 00:18:44,305
[bruno_caron]: m
775
00:18:44,727 –> 00:18:45,729
[andy_panko]: now retirement related with a tax
776
00:18:45,777 –> 00:18:46,324
[ramsey_d_smith]: hm
777
00:18:45,829 –> 00:18:48,021
[andy_panko]: book s and more
778
00:18:47,975 –> 00:18:48,319
[bruno_caron]: oh
779
00:18:48,101 –> 00:18:51,226
[andy_panko]: people started showing up live to watch
those that ask me live q and i’d
780
00:18:51,326 –> 00:18:51,607
[andy_panko]: answer on
781
00:18:51,635 –> 00:18:51,796
[bruno_caron]: oh
782
00:18:51,667 –> 00:18:56,495
[andy_panko]: the fly and i think that level
of engagement and just seeing people just randomly
783
00:18:56,555 –> 00:19:00,121
[andy_panko]: pepper me with questions and me knowing
most of the answers sometimes you no if
784
00:19:00,141 –> 00:19:00,802
[andy_panko]: i don’t i’ll tell them
785
00:19:01,385 –> 00:19:02,615
[bruno_caron]: yeah
786
00:19:01,724 –> 00:19:04,648
[andy_panko]: and just seeing my thought process and
how i articulate and elaborate and how i
787
00:19:04,729 –> 00:19:09,356
[andy_panko]: explain to anser your question that’s how
i got in front of people and because
788
00:19:09,416 –> 00:19:14,886
[andy_panko]: it’s facebook it’s got this national global
reach but it’s not bound by being in
789
00:19:14,926 –> 00:19:17,991
[andy_panko]: a certain geography or however many people
are you know butts and seeds at the
790
00:19:18,031 –> 00:19:22,238
[andy_panko]: library something i’m doing it’s facebook there’s
now thirty plus thousand people in this group
791
00:19:22,298 –> 00:19:24,601
[andy_panko]: and growing by the week so that’s
where
792
00:19:24,526 –> 00:19:25,756
[paul_tyler]: yeah
793
00:19:24,621 –> 00:19:25,882
[andy_panko]: i got my exposure and that was
a
794
00:19:25,906 –> 00:19:26,536
[paul_tyler]: oh
795
00:19:25,982 –> 00:19:29,165
[andy_panko]: perfect outlet for me in my strong
suits of
796
00:19:29,075 –> 00:19:29,418
[bruno_caron]: oh
797
00:19:29,605 –> 00:19:31,607
[andy_panko]: answering questions demonstrating what i know
798
00:19:32,465 –> 00:19:32,731
[bruno_caron]: yeah
799
00:19:32,487 –> 00:19:33,949
[andy_panko]: and just helping share information with
800
00:19:33,886 –> 00:19:34,329
[paul_tyler]: oh
801
00:19:34,009 –> 00:19:34,229
[andy_panko]: folks
802
00:19:34,566 –> 00:19:35,230
[ramsey_d_smith]: thirty thousand
803
00:19:35,676 –> 00:19:35,898
[paul_tyler]: okay
804
00:19:36,524 –> 00:19:36,706
[ramsey_d_smith]: well
805
00:19:36,614 –> 00:19:36,635
[bruno_caron]: m
806
00:19:36,741 –> 00:19:36,841
[andy_panko]: it’s
807
00:19:36,747 –> 00:19:36,949
[ramsey_d_smith]: done
808
00:19:36,861 –> 00:19:38,023
[andy_panko]: like thirty three but
809
00:19:38,056 –> 00:19:38,217
[paul_tyler]: yeah
810
00:19:38,063 –> 00:19:38,845
[andy_panko]: yeah who’s counting
811
00:19:38,875 –> 00:19:39,099
[ramsey_d_smith]: okay
812
00:19:39,045 –> 00:19:39,205
[andy_panko]: yes
813
00:19:41,124 –> 00:19:41,444
[ramsey_d_smith]: bravo
814
00:19:41,138 –> 00:19:41,941
[paul_tyler]: okay so so
815
00:19:42,120 –> 00:19:42,320
[andy_panko]: yeah
816
00:19:42,202 –> 00:19:44,451
[paul_tyler]: so okay this kind of reframes every
okay
817
00:19:44,612 –> 00:19:44,813
[ramsey_d_smith]: there’s
818
00:19:44,651 –> 00:19:44,772
[paul_tyler]: so
819
00:19:44,833 –> 00:19:46,297
[ramsey_d_smith]: a lot there paul it there’s like
820
00:19:46,205 –> 00:19:46,386
[bruno_caron]: oh
821
00:19:46,276 –> 00:19:46,376
[paul_tyler]: so
822
00:19:46,958 –> 00:19:47,159
[ramsey_d_smith]: there’s
823
00:19:47,158 –> 00:19:47,398
[paul_tyler]: story
824
00:19:47,219 –> 00:19:47,820
[ramsey_d_smith]: so many layers
825
00:19:47,618 –> 00:19:48,039
[paul_tyler]: about this
826
00:19:47,880 –> 00:19:51,429
[andy_panko]: uh
827
00:19:47,881 –> 00:19:48,181
[ramsey_d_smith]: to this
828
00:19:48,881 –> 00:19:51,665
[paul_tyler]: now now just to kind of level
because we talked a little bit about your
829
00:19:51,705 –> 00:19:52,607
[paul_tyler]: practice beforehand
830
00:19:52,414 –> 00:19:52,657
[ramsey_d_smith]: yes
831
00:19:52,627 –> 00:19:53,548
[paul_tyler]: and you know i’ve seen you
832
00:19:53,555 –> 00:19:53,798
[bruno_caron]: oh
833
00:19:53,608 –> 00:19:54,891
[paul_tyler]: in there you know like kind of
interesting
834
00:19:54,690 –> 00:19:55,980
[andy_panko]: yeah
835
00:19:55,051 –> 00:19:56,032
[paul_tyler]: like on
836
00:19:56,015 –> 00:19:56,522
[bruno_caron]: my
837
00:19:56,093 –> 00:19:58,961
[paul_tyler]: linked in and you know i’m acting
linked in it’s kind of you get this
838
00:19:59,190 –> 00:19:59,431
[andy_panko]: yeah
839
00:19:59,202 –> 00:20:02,029
[paul_tyler]: sort of squirrel right in se your
name
840
00:20:01,983 –> 00:20:02,144
[andy_panko]: yeah
841
00:20:02,109 –> 00:20:04,252
[paul_tyler]: pop up and okay he’s in here
you know
842
00:20:04,355 –> 00:20:05,285
[bruno_caron]: oh
843
00:20:04,553 –> 00:20:07,959
[paul_tyler]: okay talk to sarah grillo you know
she’s been a couple of
844
00:20:07,940 –> 00:20:08,080
[andy_panko]: yeah
845
00:20:07,979 –> 00:20:08,359
[paul_tyler]: times i’ve
846
00:20:08,374 –> 00:20:08,538
[ramsey_d_smith]: ye
847
00:20:08,379 –> 00:20:08,479
[paul_tyler]: seen
848
00:20:08,765 –> 00:20:08,966
[bruno_caron]: yeah
849
00:20:09,301 –> 00:20:09,481
[paul_tyler]: going
850
00:20:09,514 –> 00:20:09,736
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
851
00:20:09,521 –> 00:20:11,985
[paul_tyler]: back and forth on here so twenty
nineteen
852
00:20:11,794 –> 00:20:12,058
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
853
00:20:12,226 –> 00:20:14,820
[paul_tyler]: a pandemic hits you’re just starting your
practice
854
00:20:14,850 –> 00:20:15,091
[andy_panko]: yeah
855
00:20:14,900 –> 00:20:15,222
[paul_tyler]: correct
856
00:20:15,905 –> 00:20:16,146
[bruno_caron]: yeah
857
00:20:16,099 –> 00:20:16,200
[andy_panko]: yeah
858
00:20:16,328 –> 00:20:16,549
[paul_tyler]: okay
859
00:20:16,370 –> 00:20:16,532
[andy_panko]: yes
860
00:20:16,831 –> 00:20:18,338
[paul_tyler]: so now you get on
861
00:20:18,365 –> 00:20:18,995
[bruno_caron]: yeah
862
00:20:18,439 –> 00:20:18,982
[paul_tyler]: facebook
863
00:20:19,745 –> 00:20:21,665
[bruno_caron]: oh
864
00:20:19,806 –> 00:20:24,233
[paul_tyler]: build this thirty thousand thirty three thousand
member facebook
865
00:20:24,210 –> 00:20:25,320
[andy_panko]: yeah
866
00:20:24,293 –> 00:20:27,078
[paul_tyler]: page and now fast forward to twenty
twenty two
867
00:20:27,420 –> 00:20:27,704
[andy_panko]: yah
868
00:20:27,939 –> 00:20:28,961
[paul_tyler]: tell me this is correct you’re
869
00:20:29,855 –> 00:20:30,101
[bruno_caron]: oh
870
00:20:30,003 –> 00:20:31,385
[paul_tyler]: you’re charging eight thousand
871
00:20:31,050 –> 00:20:31,710
[andy_panko]: yeah
872
00:20:31,465 –> 00:20:34,857
[paul_tyler]: on bridge but eight or nine thousand
dollars per plan and you don’t you can’t
873
00:20:34,897 –> 00:20:36,221
[paul_tyler]: take any more clients is that
874
00:20:36,210 –> 00:20:37,320
[andy_panko]: oh
875
00:20:36,282 –> 00:20:36,603
[paul_tyler]: correct
876
00:20:37,572 –> 00:20:38,036
[andy_panko]: i don’t want to
877
00:20:38,104 –> 00:20:38,884
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
878
00:20:38,238 –> 00:20:40,695
[andy_panko]: take more clients so
879
00:20:42,076 –> 00:20:42,357
[paul_tyler]: yeah
880
00:20:44,224 –> 00:20:46,648
[andy_panko]: when when i set out had a
very clear goal of what
881
00:20:46,606 –> 00:20:47,626
[paul_tyler]: oh
882
00:20:46,688 –> 00:20:48,050
[andy_panko]: i wanted this business to look like
883
00:20:48,046 –> 00:20:48,066
[paul_tyler]: m
884
00:20:48,070 –> 00:20:51,035
[andy_panko]: what i wanted my personal life to
look like as it relates to the business
885
00:20:52,096 –> 00:20:52,756
[paul_tyler]: oh
886
00:20:52,117 –> 00:20:52,778
[andy_panko]: coming from
887
00:20:52,594 –> 00:20:52,977
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
888
00:20:53,239 –> 00:20:58,247
[andy_panko]: to deck it’s of the rat race
grind again big commute shackle to an office
889
00:20:58,728 –> 00:21:03,716
[andy_panko]: you know chair from eight to six
every day super stressful days i didn’t want
890
00:21:03,756 –> 00:21:08,105
[andy_panko]: that i wanted the antithesis of that
so i wanted to create a solo practice
891
00:21:08,385 –> 00:21:10,870
[andy_panko]: some would call it a lifestyle i’m
hesitant to use that word ecusetht
892
00:21:10,685 –> 00:21:10,988
[bruno_caron]: oh
893
00:21:10,910 –> 00:21:16,563
[andy_panko]: as negative connotations by people who don’t
understand what a lifestyle practice means lifestyle practice
894
00:21:16,603 –> 00:21:20,837
[andy_panko]: where i have forty to fifty clients
ongoing clients that
895
00:21:21,346 –> 00:21:22,276
[paul_tyler]: oh
896
00:21:21,750 –> 00:21:26,790
[andy_panko]: i like hopefully they like me hopefully
i serve well and that’s it
897
00:21:26,984 –> 00:21:27,005
[bruno_caron]: m
898
00:21:27,291 –> 00:21:29,895
[andy_panko]: you can do the math on the
money you know how much i’m grossing for
899
00:21:29,915 –> 00:21:30,697
[andy_panko]: that many clients
900
00:21:30,514 –> 00:21:30,899
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
901
00:21:30,757 –> 00:21:33,041
[andy_panko]: and my expenses are about thirty grand
all in
902
00:21:33,665 –> 00:21:33,685
[bruno_caron]: m
903
00:21:33,942 –> 00:21:40,333
[andy_panko]: so i’m making plenty good enough money
i enjoy what i do i’m not overburden
904
00:21:40,393 –> 00:21:43,799
[andy_panko]: distress there’s a handful of times throughout
the year i do semi annual meeting so
905
00:21:43,879 –> 00:21:46,203
[andy_panko]: in those months that i do my
my meeting cluster
906
00:21:45,995 –> 00:21:46,835
[bruno_caron]: yeah
907
00:21:46,283 –> 00:21:48,587
[andy_panko]: together i’m busier then than otherwise
908
00:21:49,085 –> 00:21:49,105
[bruno_caron]: m
909
00:21:49,588 –> 00:21:50,370
[andy_panko]: but i have very
910
00:21:50,354 –> 00:21:50,375
[bruno_caron]: m
911
00:21:50,490 –> 00:21:55,876
[andy_panko]: flexible good life good work life balance
i enjoy my personal life my professional life
912
00:21:55,956 –> 00:21:59,242
[andy_panko]: i get paid plenty well enough you
know i’m not motivated by money be nice
913
00:21:59,302 –> 00:22:03,128
[andy_panko]: if people gave me more but that’s
not what i’m out for so i don’t
914
00:22:03,228 –> 00:22:05,741
[andy_panko]: want more clint i can accommodate another
915
00:22:06,916 –> 00:22:08,326
[paul_tyler]: oh
916
00:22:07,330 –> 00:22:10,235
[andy_panko]: and you know if i wanted to
but i’m cool where i’m at i got
917
00:22:10,295 –> 00:22:14,281
[andy_panko]: forty five clients it’s another two or
three suspect will trickle in over the next
918
00:22:14,321 –> 00:22:17,527
[andy_panko]: handful of months people that i’ve had
calls and talks with over the past year
919
00:22:18,508 –> 00:22:20,432
[andy_panko]: if they do great they don’t i’m
still
920
00:22:20,285 –> 00:22:20,548
[bruno_caron]: oh
921
00:22:20,452 –> 00:22:22,796
[andy_panko]: all right so so i’m good like
my business is
922
00:22:22,737 –> 00:22:22,960
[paul_tyler]: okay
923
00:22:22,816 –> 00:22:23,296
[andy_panko]: done growing
924
00:22:23,284 –> 00:22:23,672
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
925
00:22:23,897 –> 00:22:27,003
[andy_panko]: i know what it takes to hire
to grow and i know one that’s a
926
00:22:27,063 –> 00:22:27,944
[andy_panko]: bell that can’t be un wrong
927
00:22:28,084 –> 00:22:28,894
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
928
00:22:28,185 –> 00:22:32,752
[andy_panko]: once you hire people you then need
to give them focus and career development and
929
00:22:32,812 –> 00:22:38,341
[andy_panko]: motivation and at track and you know
increasing wages throughout time me i do flat
930
00:22:38,402 –> 00:22:42,228
[andy_panko]: fee if i lose a client and
i lose nine grand of revenue i’m okay
931
00:22:42,408 –> 00:22:45,994
[andy_panko]: right i don’t feel to back vill
if i have employees i can’t have
932
00:22:45,957 –> 00:22:46,038
[bruno_caron]: ah
933
00:22:46,014 –> 00:22:49,660
[andy_panko]: that attitude like then it needs to
be about money to some extent because i
934
00:22:49,720 –> 00:22:54,128
[andy_panko]: need to pay them and so make
myself something in return so i’m just at
935
00:22:54,148 –> 00:22:57,701
[andy_panko]: this point i don’t want to hire
it out grow i’m freely giving away all
936
00:22:57,721 –> 00:23:01,225
[andy_panko]: additional prospects right on my business website
i have a list of referrals to like
937
00:23:01,265 –> 00:23:04,168
[andy_panko]: twenty five other advisors who are all
flat fee retirement focused
938
00:23:04,364 –> 00:23:04,485
[ramsey_d_smith]: ah
939
00:23:04,928 –> 00:23:05,409
[andy_panko]: just freely
940
00:23:06,305 –> 00:23:06,669
[bruno_caron]: oh
941
00:23:06,520 –> 00:23:10,907
[andy_panko]: i have this big funnel of prospects
and people finding me through facebook through youtube
942
00:23:10,947 –> 00:23:15,675
[andy_panko]: now as well but i’m close to
business so here you go i’m just giving
943
00:23:15,695 –> 00:23:18,462
[andy_panko]: them away to other folks who are
on this flat fee journey yeah
944
00:23:18,446 –> 00:23:19,527
[paul_tyler]: okay i’m gonna give bruno
945
00:23:19,357 –> 00:23:19,479
[andy_panko]: yeah
946
00:23:19,607 –> 00:23:19,908
[paul_tyler]: a chance
947
00:23:19,770 –> 00:23:20,093
[andy_panko]: yeah
948
00:23:19,948 –> 00:23:21,971
[paul_tyler]: here in a second so i just
got just to so
949
00:23:22,145 –> 00:23:22,347
[bruno_caron]: yeah
950
00:23:22,680 –> 00:23:22,881
[andy_panko]: yeah
951
00:23:22,833 –> 00:23:27,809
[paul_tyler]: people think facebook hey who’s selling you
know
952
00:23:28,633 –> 00:23:28,796
[andy_panko]: yeah
953
00:23:28,911 –> 00:23:29,532
[paul_tyler]: on facebook i’m
954
00:23:29,550 –> 00:23:29,812
[andy_panko]: yeah
955
00:23:29,612 –> 00:23:31,936
[paul_tyler]: selling stretch pants what’s the company
956
00:23:31,865 –> 00:23:32,674
[bruno_caron]: uh
957
00:23:32,016 –> 00:23:33,639
[paul_tyler]: that had a netflix documentary
958
00:23:33,570 –> 00:23:33,853
[andy_panko]: spanks
959
00:23:33,699 –> 00:23:34,721
[paul_tyler]: about it now
960
00:23:34,860 –> 00:23:35,081
[andy_panko]: oh
961
00:23:34,901 –> 00:23:34,961
[paul_tyler]: it
962
00:23:34,996 –> 00:23:35,157
[bruno_caron]: hah
963
00:23:35,041 –> 00:23:35,201
[paul_tyler]: was
964
00:23:35,314 –> 00:23:35,334
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
965
00:23:36,240 –> 00:23:36,526
[andy_panko]: oh
966
00:23:36,303 –> 00:23:36,624
[paul_tyler]: lulu
967
00:23:36,541 –> 00:23:36,964
[ramsey_d_smith]: hm
968
00:23:37,385 –> 00:23:37,673
[bruno_caron]: yeah
969
00:23:37,400 –> 00:23:37,821
[andy_panko]: lu lemon
970
00:23:37,735 –> 00:23:37,996
[ramsey_d_smith]: luther
971
00:23:38,006 –> 00:23:38,106
[paul_tyler]: no
972
00:23:38,057 –> 00:23:38,358
[ramsey_d_smith]: lemon
973
00:23:38,522 –> 00:23:38,763
[andy_panko]: yes
974
00:23:39,027 –> 00:23:41,450
[paul_tyler]: was it lulu no it’s it’s it’s
975
00:23:41,405 –> 00:23:41,607
[bruno_caron]: oh
976
00:23:41,651 –> 00:23:42,672
[paul_tyler]: it’s somehnghat sounds like that
977
00:23:42,570 –> 00:23:43,470
[andy_panko]: yeah
978
00:23:42,752 –> 00:23:43,553
[paul_tyler]: but it’s it’s like a
979
00:23:44,950 –> 00:23:45,955
[andy_panko]: multi level lula ro
980
00:23:45,956 –> 00:23:46,176
[paul_tyler]: level
981
00:23:46,094 –> 00:23:46,115
[bruno_caron]: m
982
00:23:46,597 –> 00:23:47,599
[paul_tyler]: lulu row right
983
00:23:47,650 –> 00:23:48,439
[andy_panko]: yes okay yeah
984
00:23:48,681 –> 00:23:48,901
[paul_tyler]: okay
985
00:23:48,827 –> 00:23:48,968
[bruno_caron]: wow
986
00:23:49,422 –> 00:23:50,444
[paul_tyler]: people seen facebook
987
00:23:50,217 –> 00:23:50,237
[bruno_caron]: a
988
00:23:50,250 –> 00:23:50,493
[andy_panko]: oh
989
00:23:50,564 –> 00:23:52,807
[paul_tyler]: live i think lulu ro but
990
00:23:53,174 –> 00:23:53,236
[andy_panko]: ah
991
00:23:53,228 –> 00:23:53,388
[paul_tyler]: yet
992
00:23:53,405 –> 00:23:54,485
[bruno_caron]: oh
993
00:23:53,509 –> 00:23:55,272
[paul_tyler]: you like did
994
00:23:55,230 –> 00:23:56,310
[andy_panko]: yeah
995
00:23:55,237 –> 00:23:55,257
[bruno_caron]: m
996
00:23:55,332 –> 00:23:56,053
[paul_tyler]: most of your clients
997
00:23:56,134 –> 00:23:56,354
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
998
00:23:56,153 –> 00:24:00,160
[paul_tyler]: find you through facebook or did they
find them from people on facebook who recommended
999
00:24:00,240 –> 00:24:00,340
[paul_tyler]: you
1000
00:24:00,390 –> 00:24:01,080
[andy_panko]: my
1001
00:24:00,420 –> 00:24:04,126
[paul_tyler]: and is there anything in common with
these people like geography
1002
00:24:03,737 –> 00:24:03,902
[bruno_caron]: yes
1003
00:24:04,507 –> 00:24:05,509
[paul_tyler]: or are they just tell
1004
00:24:05,375 –> 00:24:05,597
[bruno_caron]: yeah
1005
00:24:05,569 –> 00:24:05,949
[paul_tyler]: us kind of
1006
00:24:05,940 –> 00:24:07,890
[andy_panko]: yah
1007
00:24:06,070 –> 00:24:08,153
[paul_tyler]: like what does your cantal generally
1008
00:24:08,135 –> 00:24:08,402
[bruno_caron]: yeah
1009
00:24:08,193 –> 00:24:08,614
[paul_tyler]: look like
1010
00:24:09,215 –> 00:24:09,235
[bruno_caron]: m
1011
00:24:09,832 –> 00:24:13,458
[andy_panko]: um yes the vast majority of the
forty five clients i
1012
00:24:13,474 –> 00:24:13,776
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
1013
00:24:13,559 –> 00:24:15,322
[andy_panko]: have found me through facebook
1014
00:24:15,706 –> 00:24:16,207
[paul_tyler]: yeah
1015
00:24:16,904 –> 00:24:20,811
[andy_panko]: some aren’t on facebook and they found
me through youtube because a lot of videos
1016
00:24:20,871 –> 00:24:24,799
[andy_panko]: i did weekly on facebook i dropped
the re plays on to my youtube channel
1017
00:24:24,939 –> 00:24:28,967
[andy_panko]: after the fact so some people have
two clients i found three that found me
1018
00:24:28,987 –> 00:24:34,380
[andy_panko]: through youtube i’m also a you’re familiar
it roger
1019
00:24:34,415 –> 00:24:34,656
[bruno_caron]: oh
1020
00:24:34,421 –> 00:24:36,723
[andy_panko]: whitney av you heard of him the
retirement answer man podcast
1021
00:24:36,926 –> 00:24:37,027
[paul_tyler]: no
1022
00:24:36,964 –> 00:24:37,144
[andy_panko]: okay
1023
00:24:37,865 –> 00:24:37,885
[bruno_caron]: m
1024
00:24:37,891 –> 00:24:38,404
[ramsey_d_smith]: hm
1025
00:24:37,985 –> 00:24:43,812
[andy_panko]: he’s got a really large retirement podcast
he’s got a paid membership group called the
1026
00:24:43,833 –> 00:24:46,076
[andy_panko]: rock retirement club where i’m
1027
00:24:46,055 –> 00:24:46,256
[bruno_caron]: yes
1028
00:24:46,196 –> 00:24:50,624
[andy_panko]: one of the sort of adjuncts slash
coaches in there so some of the members
1029
00:24:50,664 –> 00:24:51,065
[andy_panko]: from there
1030
00:24:51,244 –> 00:24:51,450
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
1031
00:24:52,186 –> 00:24:55,093
[andy_panko]: have ultimately hired me but otherwise
1032
00:24:55,114 –> 00:24:56,194
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
1033
00:24:55,133 –> 00:24:56,236
[andy_panko]: yeah i mean facebook really
1034
00:24:56,255 –> 00:24:56,516
[bruno_caron]: oh
1035
00:24:56,437 –> 00:24:58,344
[andy_panko]: is the nexus of
1036
00:24:58,336 –> 00:24:58,584
[paul_tyler]: yeah
1037
00:24:58,405 –> 00:24:59,955
[andy_panko]: where all my business and exposure came
from
1038
00:24:59,855 –> 00:25:00,117
[bruno_caron]: oh
1039
00:25:00,536 –> 00:25:01,380
[paul_tyler]: wow bruno
1040
00:25:03,066 –> 00:25:03,466
[bruno_caron]: wonderful
1041
00:25:03,378 –> 00:25:03,540
[andy_panko]: right
1042
00:25:03,475 –> 00:25:03,496
[paul_tyler]: m
1043
00:25:04,348 –> 00:25:04,708
[bruno_caron]: yeah i know
1044
00:25:04,816 –> 00:25:05,476
[paul_tyler]: yeah
1045
00:25:04,989 –> 00:25:06,451
[bruno_caron]: well well done and
1046
00:25:06,436 –> 00:25:06,578
[paul_tyler]: ye
1047
00:25:06,531 –> 00:25:06,712
[bruno_caron]: that’s
1048
00:25:06,750 –> 00:25:06,972
[andy_panko]: thank you
1049
00:25:07,453 –> 00:25:14,805
[bruno_caron]: that’s great i want to take the
discussion where in a place where a lot
1050
00:25:14,825 –> 00:25:18,211
[bruno_caron]: of people don’t don’t focus too much
don’t talk about too much
1051
00:25:18,630 –> 00:25:18,914
[andy_panko]: yeah
1052
00:25:19,092 –> 00:25:22,318
[bruno_caron]: you know in the context of retirement
and planning longevity
1053
00:25:22,141 –> 00:25:22,282
[andy_panko]: yeah
1054
00:25:22,919 –> 00:25:23,219
[bruno_caron]: and that’s
1055
00:25:23,203 –> 00:25:23,224
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
1056
00:25:23,380 –> 00:25:28,869
[bruno_caron]: bequest like how do you how do
you view bequest how do you advise your
1057
00:25:28,949 –> 00:25:31,012
[bruno_caron]: clients on bequest you advise them
1058
00:25:31,003 –> 00:25:31,126
[andy_panko]: yeah
1059
00:25:31,072 –> 00:25:33,597
[bruno_caron]: on having having a certain goal
1060
00:25:33,480 –> 00:25:33,723
[andy_panko]: oh
1061
00:25:33,837 –> 00:25:35,460
[bruno_caron]: or just be that
1062
00:25:35,505 –> 00:25:35,669
[andy_panko]: yeah
1063
00:25:35,660 –> 00:25:36,501
[bruno_caron]: that wild
1064
00:25:36,334 –> 00:25:36,555
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
1065
00:25:36,580 –> 00:25:36,681
[andy_panko]: oh
1066
00:25:36,582 –> 00:25:38,966
[bruno_caron]: card that is out there um
1067
00:25:38,760 –> 00:25:39,084
[andy_panko]: oh
1068
00:25:39,226 –> 00:25:39,466
[bruno_caron]: you know
1069
00:25:40,024 –> 00:25:40,224
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
1070
00:25:40,288 –> 00:25:40,789
[bruno_caron]: my follow up
1071
00:25:40,764 –> 00:25:40,867
[andy_panko]: oh
1072
00:25:40,829 –> 00:25:44,635
[bruno_caron]: is definitely going to be on you
know you know on the tax consequences and
1073
00:25:44,935 –> 00:25:45,817
[bruno_caron]: how do you strategize
1074
00:25:45,812 –> 00:25:46,014
[andy_panko]: sure
1075
00:25:45,897 –> 00:25:48,782
[bruno_caron]: there just conceptually how
1076
00:25:48,840 –> 00:25:49,022
[andy_panko]: oh
1077
00:25:48,842 –> 00:25:53,408
[bruno_caron]: does that conversation go you’re your clients
and and there
1078
00:25:53,510 –> 00:25:53,690
[andy_panko]: eh
1079
00:25:53,668 –> 00:25:58,613
[bruno_caron]: there you know they’re their desires towards
towards bequest
1080
00:25:58,619 –> 00:26:01,456
[andy_panko]: what towards legacy planning and leaving people
stuff
1081
00:26:01,936 –> 00:26:02,159
[paul_tyler]: oh
1082
00:26:02,660 –> 00:26:02,840
[andy_panko]: uh
1083
00:26:02,776 –> 00:26:03,337
[bruno_caron]: or or not
1084
00:26:03,304 –> 00:26:03,525
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
1085
00:26:03,457 –> 00:26:04,340
[bruno_caron]: i’m not saying that you
1086
00:26:04,365 –> 00:26:04,545
[andy_panko]: right
1087
00:26:04,400 –> 00:26:06,485
[bruno_caron]: know they should or not but you
know how
1088
00:26:06,454 –> 00:26:07,894
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
1089
00:26:06,525 –> 00:26:07,528
[bruno_caron]: does that conversation go
1090
00:26:08,370 –> 00:26:10,153
[andy_panko]: i find a lot of it or
not actually
1091
00:26:10,054 –> 00:26:10,864
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
1092
00:26:10,974 –> 00:26:15,301
[andy_panko]: maybe it’s coincidence but when i meet
with people even as part of the prospect
1093
00:26:15,361 –> 00:26:19,889
[andy_panko]: process one of th things i ask
because you have any legacy goals you now
1094
00:26:19,949 –> 00:26:26,861
[andy_panko]: design eres requirements to leave money to
family friends charities whatever and vast majority of
1095
00:26:26,881 –> 00:26:30,787
[andy_panko]: my clients the answer is no it’s
like my primary goal is to not run
1096
00:26:30,907 –> 00:26:31,809
[andy_panko]: out whatever i have left
1097
00:26:31,895 –> 00:26:32,118
[bruno_caron]: oh
1098
00:26:31,989 –> 00:26:34,614
[andy_panko]: great my kids can have it or
you know i leave it to a charity
1099
00:26:35,796 –> 00:26:37,458
[andy_panko]: i only have a few
1100
00:26:37,625 –> 00:26:37,870
[bruno_caron]: oh
1101
00:26:37,739 –> 00:26:44,049
[andy_panko]: clients of my forty five where there
is some sort of meaningful legacy or questo
1102
00:26:44,250 –> 00:26:44,430
[andy_panko]: with
1103
00:26:44,285 –> 00:26:44,975
[bruno_caron]: oh
1104
00:26:44,550 –> 00:26:46,452
[andy_panko]: whatever i know who’re talking about but
you know leaving
1105
00:26:46,325 –> 00:26:46,647
[bruno_caron]: legacy
1106
00:26:46,632 –> 00:26:47,032
[andy_panko]: leaving money
1107
00:26:46,903 –> 00:26:46,924
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
1108
00:26:47,132 –> 00:26:50,596
[andy_panko]: like i say yeah one of them
is a special needs case where they have
1109
00:26:50,636 –> 00:26:53,859
[andy_panko]: a second to die life insurance policy
that’s going to fund a special needs trust
1110
00:26:55,421 –> 00:27:00,028
[andy_panko]: another one is charitably inclined and we
worked to set up a downer advise fund
1111
00:27:00,088 –> 00:27:03,113
[andy_panko]: as part of it and that really
legacy a hat’s given away money during life
1112
00:27:03,214 –> 00:27:07,220
[andy_panko]: but i really don’t have a lot
now i guess
1113
00:27:07,426 –> 00:27:07,689
[paul_tyler]: yes
1114
00:27:07,501 –> 00:27:10,446
[andy_panko]: if someone did have a strong burning
desire you know there a few
1115
00:27:10,366 –> 00:27:10,386
[paul_tyler]: m
1116
00:27:10,526 –> 00:27:13,591
[andy_panko]: things you can do you can do
like you know cash value life our whole
1117
00:27:13,611 –> 00:27:17,537
[andy_panko]: life policy to make sure it’s there
you can simply just ear mark it put
1118
00:27:17,718 –> 00:27:20,403
[andy_panko]: an account that you don’t touch kind
of take it out of the financial planning
1119
00:27:20,443 –> 00:27:22,266
[andy_panko]: considerations um
1120
00:27:24,403 –> 00:27:24,566
[bruno_caron]: yeah
1121
00:27:24,730 –> 00:27:26,240
[andy_panko]: i mean those are the main ones
i suppose
1122
00:27:27,435 –> 00:27:33,085
[bruno_caron]: so basically you come up with a
dynamic where you know if people are you
1123
00:27:33,125 –> 00:27:33,806
[bruno_caron]: know retiring
1124
00:27:34,530 –> 00:27:34,755
[andy_panko]: yeah
1125
00:27:35,088 –> 00:27:35,930
[bruno_caron]: if they die very
1126
00:27:35,692 –> 00:27:35,773
[andy_panko]: no
1127
00:27:36,090 –> 00:27:38,554
[bruno_caron]: early they’ll leave you know significant
1128
00:27:39,076 –> 00:27:39,217
[andy_panko]: yeah
1129
00:27:39,295 –> 00:27:44,364
[bruno_caron]: um significant legacy behind them and if
they die
1130
00:27:44,380 –> 00:27:44,521
[andy_panko]: so
1131
00:27:44,684 –> 00:27:45,866
[bruno_caron]: very late they may leave
1132
00:27:46,756 –> 00:27:46,776
[paul_tyler]: m
1133
00:27:46,928 –> 00:27:47,248
[bruno_caron]: nothing
1134
00:27:47,246 –> 00:27:47,326
[andy_panko]: no
1135
00:27:47,570 –> 00:27:47,590
[ramsey_d_smith]: a
1136
00:27:48,390 –> 00:27:49,352
[bruno_caron]: and you know
1137
00:27:49,461 –> 00:27:49,523
[andy_panko]: you
1138
00:27:49,552 –> 00:27:49,733
[bruno_caron]: there’s
1139
00:27:49,564 –> 00:27:49,666
[andy_panko]: know
1140
00:27:50,113 –> 00:27:59,344
[bruno_caron]: a major gap there and that’s you
know that’s generally an accepted way of planning
1141
00:27:59,545 –> 00:27:59,905
[bruno_caron]: and that’s
1142
00:28:00,600 –> 00:28:00,801
[andy_panko]: oh
1143
00:28:01,408 –> 00:28:01,989
[bruno_caron]: to your point
1144
00:28:01,808 –> 00:28:01,929
[andy_panko]: yeah
1145
00:28:02,029 –> 00:28:06,857
[bruno_caron]: i think you mentioned you certainly never
want to leave negative bequest where
1146
00:28:07,250 –> 00:28:07,393
[andy_panko]: right
1147
00:28:07,418 –> 00:28:09,962
[bruno_caron]: you know that would essentially be running
out of money
1148
00:28:09,865 –> 00:28:09,886
[paul_tyler]: m
1149
00:28:10,303 –> 00:28:15,712
[bruno_caron]: and just you know be a burden
for for your kids but m but that’s
1150
00:28:15,772 –> 00:28:15,896
[andy_panko]: that
1151
00:28:15,892 –> 00:28:17,837
[bruno_caron]: that’s that’s typically the general
1152
00:28:18,450 –> 00:28:19,320
[andy_panko]: yah
1153
00:28:20,477 –> 00:28:20,921
[bruno_caron]: the general
1154
00:28:20,901 –> 00:28:21,062
[andy_panko]: yeah
1155
00:28:21,002 –> 00:28:21,427
[bruno_caron]: dynamic
1156
00:28:21,094 –> 00:28:22,144
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
1157
00:28:21,487 –> 00:28:23,345
[bruno_caron]: there oh
1158
00:28:22,504 –> 00:28:27,973
[andy_panko]: and it also depends how passionate people
feel about leaving money so there’s also you
1159
00:28:28,033 –> 00:28:33,241
[andy_panko]: mentioned tax planning considerations around this some
people don’t
1160
00:28:33,185 –> 00:28:33,528
[bruno_caron]: oh
1161
00:28:33,281 –> 00:28:36,725
[andy_panko]: care about taxes or like if i
die and leave a two million dollar fully
1162
00:28:36,805 –> 00:28:40,149
[andy_panko]: taxable i a o my kid who’s
already in the thirty seven percent tax bracket
1163
00:28:41,360 –> 00:28:43,744
[andy_panko]: for him or her like so we
let them pay the tax right they’re getting
1164
00:28:43,764 –> 00:28:47,230
[andy_panko]: something he didn’t have to start with
so i don’t care i’ll be gone other
1165
00:28:47,290 –> 00:28:47,570
[andy_panko]: folks
1166
00:28:47,405 –> 00:28:47,651
[bruno_caron]: oh
1167
00:28:47,831 –> 00:28:50,635
[andy_panko]: do do have this inherent desire to
sort of stick it to the man a
1168
00:28:50,655 –> 00:28:55,324
[andy_panko]: little bit you stick it to uncle
sam and they do have more consideration for
1169
00:28:56,206 –> 00:29:00,014
[andy_panko]: tax efficiency of wealth transfer so for
example if they know they have
1170
00:28:59,884 –> 00:29:00,574
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
1171
00:29:00,154 –> 00:29:01,257
[andy_panko]: more money than they’re ever going
1172
00:29:01,204 –> 00:29:01,834
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
1173
00:29:01,297 –> 00:29:01,958
[andy_panko]: to spend down
1174
00:29:02,524 –> 00:29:02,747
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
1175
00:29:03,160 –> 00:29:03,581
[andy_panko]: and they know
1176
00:29:03,665 –> 00:29:03,909
[bruno_caron]: oh
1177
00:29:03,821 –> 00:29:06,065
[andy_panko]: a lot of it’s going to go
to their kid and let’s say their kids
1178
00:29:06,105 –> 00:29:07,948
[andy_panko]: a starving artist um
1179
00:29:07,805 –> 00:29:08,915
[bruno_caron]: oh
1180
00:29:08,529 –> 00:29:12,876
[andy_panko]: then in that case if they have
like tax for ira money they’ll probably leave
1181
00:29:12,936 –> 00:29:13,237
[andy_panko]: it to
1182
00:29:13,274 –> 00:29:13,295
[bruno_caron]: m
1183
00:29:13,277 –> 00:29:16,462
[andy_panko]: the kid let the kid pay taxes
because the kid will pay taxes than the
1184
00:29:16,502 –> 00:29:19,127
[andy_panko]: client would during during their life or
vice
1185
00:29:19,145 –> 00:29:19,349
[bruno_caron]: oh
1186
00:29:19,167 –> 00:29:21,350
[andy_panko]: versa going back to the example of
the kids
1187
00:29:22,205 –> 00:29:22,490
[bruno_caron]: oh
1188
00:29:22,212 –> 00:29:24,335
[andy_panko]: you know high earning doctor always
1189
00:29:24,313 –> 00:29:24,334
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
1190
00:29:24,355 –> 00:29:28,422
[andy_panko]: going to be a top tax rate
the client parents are in the twenty two
1191
00:29:28,482 –> 00:29:34,412
[andy_panko]: percent federal bracket let’s say and they
are concerned about maximizing the net after tax
1192
00:29:34,532 –> 00:29:35,754
[andy_panko]: amount of what’s left to the kid
1193
00:29:35,986 –> 00:29:36,006
[paul_tyler]: m
1194
00:29:36,355 –> 00:29:36,936
[andy_panko]: then we
1195
00:29:36,987 –> 00:29:37,595
[bruno_caron]: right
1196
00:29:37,017 –> 00:29:40,421
[andy_panko]: talk more about conversions let the cl
t pay taxes on the money in life
1197
00:29:40,501 –> 00:29:42,963
[andy_panko]: even to her not going to need
it let them pay taxes
1198
00:29:42,625 –> 00:29:42,646
[paul_tyler]: m
1199
00:29:43,084 –> 00:29:46,026
[andy_panko]: on it so it’s all in a
rath so when they die that ruth then
1200
00:29:46,146 –> 00:29:49,069
[andy_panko]: goes tax free to the child and
in the high tax bracket
1201
00:29:49,285 –> 00:29:49,426
[bruno_caron]: yeah
1202
00:29:49,640 –> 00:29:49,680
[andy_panko]: so
1203
00:29:49,677 –> 00:29:49,841
[paul_tyler]: yeah
1204
00:29:49,720 –> 00:29:50,381
[andy_panko]: it really all depends
1205
00:29:50,224 –> 00:29:50,487
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
1206
00:29:50,421 –> 00:29:52,746
[andy_panko]: on clients circumstances and their emotions and
views towards
1207
00:29:52,804 –> 00:29:53,045
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
1208
00:29:52,806 –> 00:29:53,207
[andy_panko]: taxes
1209
00:29:53,706 –> 00:29:55,589
[paul_tyler]: okay he just switching gears
1210
00:29:55,530 –> 00:29:56,340
[andy_panko]: yes
1211
00:29:55,629 –> 00:29:55,669
[paul_tyler]: a
1212
00:29:55,694 –> 00:29:55,715
[bruno_caron]: m
1213
00:29:55,709 –> 00:29:57,993
[paul_tyler]: little bit so on stand the noting
man’s
1214
00:29:57,879 –> 00:29:57,900
[andy_panko]: m
1215
00:29:58,293 –> 00:29:58,734
[paul_tyler]: podcast
1216
00:29:58,985 –> 00:29:59,915
[bruno_caron]: yeah
1217
00:29:59,075 –> 00:29:59,796
[paul_tyler]: stands sounds
1218
00:29:59,813 –> 00:29:59,874
[andy_panko]: ah
1219
00:29:59,856 –> 00:30:01,058
[paul_tyler]: great and full disclosure he’s
1220
00:30:01,084 –> 00:30:01,834
[ramsey_d_smith]: my
1221
00:30:01,118 –> 00:30:03,582
[paul_tyler]: actually one of our business partners he’s
great and we appreciate
1222
00:30:03,334 –> 00:30:03,354
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
1223
00:30:04,003 –> 00:30:04,604
[paul_tyler]: business we’ve done
1224
00:30:04,745 –> 00:30:04,967
[bruno_caron]: oh
1225
00:30:04,824 –> 00:30:06,307
[paul_tyler]: with our care with him try to
1226
00:30:06,293 –> 00:30:06,395
[andy_panko]: ah
1227
00:30:06,327 –> 00:30:06,928
[paul_tyler]: get him on the anuity
1228
00:30:06,844 –> 00:30:07,112
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
1229
00:30:07,008 –> 00:30:07,469
[paul_tyler]: show he
1230
00:30:07,620 –> 00:30:07,781
[andy_panko]: ye
1231
00:30:07,749 –> 00:30:08,871
[paul_tyler]: has yet to accept the
1232
00:30:08,970 –> 00:30:09,291
[andy_panko]: yeah
1233
00:30:08,971 –> 00:30:09,211
[paul_tyler]: offer
1234
00:30:09,814 –> 00:30:10,954
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
1235
00:30:10,534 –> 00:30:12,036
[paul_tyler]: where does annuities fit with your client
1236
00:30:11,907 –> 00:30:12,008
[ramsey_d_smith]: ah
1237
00:30:12,076 –> 00:30:13,398
[paul_tyler]: hell are they too young
1238
00:30:14,070 –> 00:30:15,360
[andy_panko]: yeah
1239
00:30:14,080 –> 00:30:18,408
[paul_tyler]: do you have any strong feelings about
annuities if you were going to sell them
1240
00:30:18,570 –> 00:30:18,817
[andy_panko]: yeah
1241
00:30:19,372 –> 00:30:19,893
[paul_tyler]: or offer
1242
00:30:19,761 –> 00:30:19,922
[andy_panko]: yeah
1243
00:30:19,934 –> 00:30:22,161
[paul_tyler]: them to clients what would they look
like you know what’s
1244
00:30:22,020 –> 00:30:22,710
[andy_panko]: yeah
1245
00:30:22,181 –> 00:30:22,784
[paul_tyler]: the criteria
1246
00:30:23,510 –> 00:30:26,454
[andy_panko]: yep it all depends like an annuity
1247
00:30:26,554 –> 00:30:26,776
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
1248
00:30:26,555 –> 00:30:30,261
[andy_panko]: like anything is a tool sometimes it
makes sense sometimes it doesn’t i
1249
00:30:30,334 –> 00:30:30,538
[ramsey_d_smith]: ye
1250
00:30:30,822 –> 00:30:33,947
[andy_panko]: definitely i feel my view of retirement
planning
1251
00:30:33,695 –> 00:30:34,955
[bruno_caron]: oh
1252
00:30:34,147 –> 00:30:38,275
[andy_panko]: is sort of best of both worlds
using we weigh file speak there’s a probability
1253
00:30:38,315 –> 00:30:41,601
[andy_panko]: based approach there’s a safety first approach
where
1254
00:30:41,555 –> 00:30:42,215
[bruno_caron]: oh
1255
00:30:41,661 –> 00:30:43,966
[andy_panko]: safety first is lock up you know
your
1256
00:30:43,925 –> 00:30:44,208
[bruno_caron]: oh
1257
00:30:44,026 –> 00:30:49,516
[andy_panko]: income through annuities maybe to a lesser
extent cashed by a life insurance probability based
1258
00:30:49,556 –> 00:30:54,444
[andy_panko]: as puragistlike let the markets do their
thing some people lean really hard in their
1259
00:30:55,085 –> 00:30:59,235
[andy_panko]: views and preferences towards one of the
clients i mean towards towards the other some
1260
00:30:59,295 –> 00:30:59,697
[andy_panko]: people like
1261
00:30:59,605 –> 00:30:59,626
[paul_tyler]: m
1262
00:30:59,737 –> 00:31:01,825
[andy_panko]: tell me whatever i should do that
that’s best for me
1263
00:31:02,284 –> 00:31:02,545
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
1264
00:31:03,200 –> 00:31:06,323
[andy_panko]: i try to be pragmatic about it
i don’t sell insurance that was a conscious
1265
00:31:06,363 –> 00:31:08,846
[andy_panko]: decision i am the only it’s not
1266
00:31:08,746 –> 00:31:08,786
[bruno_caron]: m
1267
00:31:08,906 –> 00:31:10,167
[andy_panko]: because i don’t think insurance
1268
00:31:10,094 –> 00:31:10,115
[bruno_caron]: m
1269
00:31:10,207 –> 00:31:12,590
[andy_panko]: products are important it’s just me and
1270
00:31:12,605 –> 00:31:12,625
[bruno_caron]: m
1271
00:31:12,650 –> 00:31:18,676
[andy_panko]: my beliefs i want to have that
distinction between the advice giver and the one
1272
00:31:18,736 –> 00:31:21,339
[andy_panko]: who consummates the sale i’m not
1273
00:31:22,085 –> 00:31:22,367
[bruno_caron]: oh
1274
00:31:22,100 –> 00:31:25,245
[andy_panko]: literally or demonizing people who do one
versus the other but that’s my approach towards
1275
00:31:25,234 –> 00:31:25,477
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
1276
00:31:25,285 –> 00:31:25,485
[andy_panko]: things
1277
00:31:25,685 –> 00:31:26,525
[bruno_caron]: yeah
1278
00:31:26,327 –> 00:31:30,253
[andy_panko]: but realizing insurance products are important what
i’ve done is there are some folks
1279
00:31:30,275 –> 00:31:30,295
[bruno_caron]: m
1280
00:31:30,794 –> 00:31:33,679
[andy_panko]: i work with who are agents for
annuities or life
1281
00:31:33,785 –> 00:31:34,048
[bruno_caron]: yes
1282
00:31:34,100 –> 00:31:38,966
[andy_panko]: on some fee only platform such as
lincoln has one younowdplhas
1283
00:31:37,735 –> 00:31:37,756
[paul_tyler]: m
1284
00:31:39,146 –> 00:31:44,204
[andy_panko]: one um so if and when the
time comes where i feel either
1285
00:31:44,285 –> 00:31:44,548
[bruno_caron]: yes
1286
00:31:44,384 –> 00:31:47,669
[andy_panko]: a lifepeners product or annuity is in
the best interest client i have folks i
1287
00:31:47,710 –> 00:31:51,556
[andy_panko]: can reach out to or places i
can go direct to help shop around now
1288
00:31:51,876 –> 00:31:55,543
[andy_panko]: my view is going back i try
to blend the best of both worlds
1289
00:31:55,325 –> 00:31:55,345
[bruno_caron]: m
1290
00:31:56,043 –> 00:32:00,471
[andy_panko]: i think social security is the best
annuity anyone can ever have so a core
1291
00:32:00,591 –> 00:32:05,499
[andy_panko]: tenant of my planning is to make
sure people maximize that for their scenarios to
1292
00:32:05,539 –> 00:32:06,180
[andy_panko]: the and someone
1293
00:32:06,034 –> 00:32:06,278
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
1294
00:32:06,221 –> 00:32:07,784
[andy_panko]: has traditional defined benefit
1295
00:32:07,745 –> 00:32:07,765
[bruno_caron]: m
1296
00:32:07,964 –> 00:32:09,748
[andy_panko]: pension same story
1297
00:32:09,514 –> 00:32:09,779
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
1298
00:32:10,148 –> 00:32:10,730
[andy_panko]: let’s get the most
1299
00:32:10,745 –> 00:32:10,972
[bruno_caron]: oh
1300
00:32:10,790 –> 00:32:16,851
[andy_panko]: out of that um i kind of
have to view that you generally want to
1301
00:32:16,932 –> 00:32:23,022
[andy_panko]: make sure your anticipated necessary expenses throughout
retirement are covered by guaranteed secure income of
1302
00:32:23,062 –> 00:32:25,646
[andy_panko]: which here’s only three sources social security
pension or annuity
1303
00:32:26,314 –> 00:32:27,124
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
1304
00:32:26,848 –> 00:32:28,311
[andy_panko]: if it’s not then
1305
00:32:28,655 –> 00:32:29,345
[bruno_caron]: yeah
1306
00:32:28,892 –> 00:32:30,514
[andy_panko]: that’s when we start to consider okay
maybe
1307
00:32:30,665 –> 00:32:31,415
[bruno_caron]: yeah
1308
00:32:30,895 –> 00:32:31,937
[andy_panko]: we plug that gap with
1309
00:32:31,955 –> 00:32:32,217
[bruno_caron]: oh
1310
00:32:32,077 –> 00:32:33,700
[andy_panko]: an annuity now what’s the best
1311
00:32:33,605 –> 00:32:33,745
[bruno_caron]: yeah
1312
00:32:34,140 –> 00:32:36,324
[andy_panko]: no option or product out there to
get you that and that’s where i go
1313
00:32:36,364 –> 00:32:36,845
[andy_panko]: to my network
1314
00:32:36,725 –> 00:32:37,047
[bruno_caron]: yes
1315
00:32:36,905 –> 00:32:39,469
[andy_panko]: in my platforms to start feeling around
1316
00:32:39,874 –> 00:32:40,076
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
1317
00:32:40,170 –> 00:32:41,092
[andy_panko]: um some clients
1318
00:32:40,977 –> 00:32:41,465
[bruno_caron]: my
1319
00:32:41,192 –> 00:32:44,958
[andy_panko]: have so many assets even if they
don’t have enough guarantee didn’t come to support
1320
00:32:45,439 –> 00:32:50,027
[andy_panko]: their anticipated necessary expenses they have so
many assets that it doesn’t matter like they’re
1321
00:32:50,067 –> 00:32:53,312
[andy_panko]: never going to burn through them in
that case we don’t bother paying for the
1322
00:32:53,332 –> 00:32:56,618
[andy_panko]: guarantee of an annuity unless they’re ultra
ultra conservative
1323
00:32:56,298 –> 00:32:56,379
[bruno_caron]: oh
1324
00:32:56,658 –> 00:32:57,700
[andy_panko]: and specifically demand it
1325
00:32:58,864 –> 00:32:59,824
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
1326
00:32:59,222 –> 00:32:59,663
[andy_panko]: i don’t know that
1327
00:32:59,555 –> 00:32:59,797
[bruno_caron]: oh
1328
00:32:59,743 –> 00:32:59,863
[andy_panko]: it’s
1329
00:33:00,376 –> 00:33:00,682
[ramsey_d_smith]: yes
1330
00:33:00,564 –> 00:33:01,346
[andy_panko]: some some various
1331
00:33:01,133 –> 00:33:01,274
[bruno_caron]: yeah
1332
00:33:01,386 –> 00:33:02,007
[andy_panko]: thoughts there but
1333
00:33:02,334 –> 00:33:03,236
[ramsey_d_smith]: so out of forty five
1334
00:33:03,395 –> 00:33:03,556
[bruno_caron]: yah
1335
00:33:03,496 –> 00:33:05,219
[ramsey_d_smith]: clients this is very interesting because
1336
00:33:04,904 –> 00:33:04,925
[bruno_caron]: h
1337
00:33:05,860 –> 00:33:06,441
[ramsey_d_smith]: the framework
1338
00:33:06,335 –> 00:33:06,884
[bruno_caron]: oh
1339
00:33:06,501 –> 00:33:08,164
[ramsey_d_smith]: you’re talking about is like
1340
00:33:08,670 –> 00:33:08,891
[andy_panko]: yeah
1341
00:33:08,705 –> 00:33:09,726
[ramsey_d_smith]: is the exact right one
1342
00:33:10,067 –> 00:33:10,107
[bruno_caron]: m
1343
00:33:10,087 –> 00:33:10,267
[ramsey_d_smith]: right
1344
00:33:10,456 –> 00:33:10,476
[paul_tyler]: m
1345
00:33:10,588 –> 00:33:10,728
[ramsey_d_smith]: last
1346
00:33:10,814 –> 00:33:10,835
[bruno_caron]: m
1347
00:33:10,828 –> 00:33:12,591
[ramsey_d_smith]: certainly in my view
1348
00:33:12,455 –> 00:33:12,637
[bruno_caron]: yeah
1349
00:33:12,906 –> 00:33:13,026
[andy_panko]: thank
1350
00:33:13,032 –> 00:33:13,132
[ramsey_d_smith]: at
1351
00:33:13,066 –> 00:33:13,127
[andy_panko]: you
1352
00:33:14,875 –> 00:33:19,480
[ramsey_d_smith]: so then out of forty five clients
where you’re using this this
1353
00:33:19,446 –> 00:33:19,487
[bruno_caron]: m
1354
00:33:19,660 –> 00:33:23,575
[ramsey_d_smith]: this framework how many what percentage of
them
1355
00:33:23,624 –> 00:33:23,645
[bruno_caron]: m
1356
00:33:23,876 –> 00:33:25,098
[ramsey_d_smith]: you know would end up being
1357
00:33:26,045 –> 00:33:26,065
[bruno_caron]: m
1358
00:33:26,240 –> 00:33:28,784
[ramsey_d_smith]: being put in an annuity and the
reason i say
1359
00:33:28,710 –> 00:33:29,033
[andy_panko]: oh
1360
00:33:28,844 –> 00:33:32,790
[ramsey_d_smith]: that is like this is an interesting
sort of like you know sand box where
1361
00:33:33,040 –> 00:33:33,181
[andy_panko]: yeah
1362
00:33:33,291 –> 00:33:34,553
[ramsey_d_smith]: you’re outside of the persuasions
1363
00:33:34,355 –> 00:33:34,617
[bruno_caron]: oh
1364
00:33:34,654 –> 00:33:37,258
[ramsey_d_smith]: and people trying to sell and on
the other side you’re outside
1365
00:33:37,285 –> 00:33:37,306
[paul_tyler]: m
1366
00:33:37,318 –> 00:33:37,538
[ramsey_d_smith]: of the
1367
00:33:37,786 –> 00:33:38,716
[paul_tyler]: yeah
1368
00:33:37,835 –> 00:33:38,116
[bruno_caron]: yeah
1369
00:33:38,240 –> 00:33:38,320
[ramsey_d_smith]: you
1370
00:33:38,280 –> 00:33:38,702
[andy_panko]: oh
1371
00:33:38,360 –> 00:33:41,104
[ramsey_d_smith]: know the the other side of the
persuasions where people are just ring to get
1372
00:33:41,164 –> 00:33:41,505
[ramsey_d_smith]: a um
1373
00:33:41,315 –> 00:33:41,580
[bruno_caron]: yeah
1374
00:33:41,565 –> 00:33:41,846
[ramsey_d_smith]: fees
1375
00:33:41,718 –> 00:33:41,899
[andy_panko]: yeah
1376
00:33:42,326 –> 00:33:42,407
[ramsey_d_smith]: so
1377
00:33:42,410 –> 00:33:42,531
[andy_panko]: yeah
1378
00:33:42,487 –> 00:33:44,109
[ramsey_d_smith]: we got the right decision making process
1379
00:33:43,895 –> 00:33:44,036
[bruno_caron]: oh
1380
00:33:44,510 –> 00:33:46,834
[ramsey_d_smith]: you’ve got the sample size of forty
five coin it’s
1381
00:33:47,160 –> 00:33:47,502
[andy_panko]: oh
1382
00:33:47,575 –> 00:33:47,735
[ramsey_d_smith]: right
1383
00:33:47,675 –> 00:33:47,878
[bruno_caron]: oh
1384
00:33:48,316 –> 00:33:51,820
[ramsey_d_smith]: like what is is it ten per
cent twenty percent thirty percent like what percentage
1385
00:33:51,605 –> 00:33:52,265
[bruno_caron]: yeah
1386
00:33:51,860 –> 00:33:51,900
[ramsey_d_smith]: of
1387
00:33:51,900 –> 00:33:52,141
[andy_panko]: oh
1388
00:33:51,981 –> 00:33:53,723
[ramsey_d_smith]: clients end up all right
1389
00:33:54,035 –> 00:33:54,339
[bruno_caron]: oh
1390
00:33:54,394 –> 00:33:55,180
[ramsey_d_smith]: using an annuity
1391
00:33:55,110 –> 00:33:55,860
[andy_panko]: yeah
1392
00:33:56,915 –> 00:33:56,935
[bruno_caron]: m
1393
00:33:57,281 –> 00:33:58,864
[andy_panko]: honestly most of my clients
1394
00:33:58,604 –> 00:33:58,625
[bruno_caron]: m
1395
00:33:58,904 –> 00:34:02,930
[andy_panko]: and this is probably a result of
my fee structure have more
1396
00:34:02,884 –> 00:34:03,144
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
1397
00:34:03,071 –> 00:34:07,298
[andy_panko]: assets and they’re going to need and
i don’t want to think they’re hiring me
1398
00:34:07,304 –> 00:34:07,325
[bruno_caron]: m
1399
00:34:07,318 –> 00:34:08,940
[andy_panko]: because i’m the cheap guy you know
some three
1400
00:34:08,853 –> 00:34:08,873
[ramsey_d_smith]: h
1401
00:34:08,980 –> 00:34:10,002
[andy_panko]: million bucks is going to be
1402
00:34:09,965 –> 00:34:10,188
[bruno_caron]: oh
1403
00:34:10,042 –> 00:34:14,990
[andy_panko]: paying twenty thirty grand at most other
advisors versus d be ninety six hundred and
1404
00:34:15,031 –> 00:34:15,832
[andy_panko]: i can say with confidence
1405
00:34:15,484 –> 00:34:16,130
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
1406
00:34:15,892 –> 00:34:20,319
[andy_panko]: my service is most likely better yet
it’s cheaper again it’s not cheap i feel
1407
00:34:20,255 –> 00:34:21,065
[bruno_caron]: my
1408
00:34:20,520 –> 00:34:23,344
[andy_panko]: right fee i feel they’re overcharging in
that case so anyway
1409
00:34:23,375 –> 00:34:23,395
[bruno_caron]: m
1410
00:34:23,765 –> 00:34:24,667
[andy_panko]: a lot of my clients have
1411
00:34:24,584 –> 00:34:24,605
[bruno_caron]: m
1412
00:34:24,687 –> 00:34:26,650
[andy_panko]: a few million dollars which is more
than their
1413
00:34:26,825 –> 00:34:27,351
[bruno_caron]: oh
1414
00:34:27,992 –> 00:34:28,453
[andy_panko]: likely gonna
1415
00:34:28,504 –> 00:34:28,565
[bruno_caron]: ah
1416
00:34:28,773 –> 00:34:31,498
[andy_panko]: come close to spending down so it
hasn’t it’s not that
1417
00:34:31,454 –> 00:34:31,475
[bruno_caron]: m
1418
00:34:31,618 –> 00:34:33,861
[andy_panko]: prevalent i do have some clients that
1419
00:34:33,935 –> 00:34:33,955
[bruno_caron]: m
1420
00:34:33,962 –> 00:34:37,247
[andy_panko]: have existing annuities that that they have
from before
1421
00:34:37,229 –> 00:34:37,270
[bruno_caron]: m
1422
00:34:37,287 –> 00:34:38,169
[andy_panko]: we started working together
1423
00:34:38,024 –> 00:34:38,045
[bruno_caron]: m
1424
00:34:38,164 –> 00:34:38,365
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
1425
00:34:38,569 –> 00:34:43,497
[andy_panko]: in some cases we have kept them
that is folded into their part of their
1426
00:34:43,538 –> 00:34:51,703
[andy_panko]: income plan another case we did have
it surrendered recently now with the markets doing
1427
00:34:51,723 –> 00:34:52,384
[andy_panko]: what they’re doing
1428
00:34:52,757 –> 00:34:52,797
[bruno_caron]: m
1429
00:34:53,326 –> 00:34:53,526
[andy_panko]: people
1430
00:34:53,564 –> 00:34:53,585
[bruno_caron]: m
1431
00:34:53,606 –> 00:34:56,210
[andy_panko]: have been more concerned have been questioning
more
1432
00:34:56,315 –> 00:34:56,682
[bruno_caron]: uh
1433
00:34:56,351 –> 00:35:01,459
[andy_panko]: do i want to need security income
which i’m sue you’re not surprised markets are
1434
00:35:01,479 –> 00:35:03,653
[andy_panko]: homme everything was great no one
1435
00:35:03,637 –> 00:35:03,657
[bruno_caron]: m
1436
00:35:03,694 –> 00:35:07,242
[andy_panko]: wants to hear anything about paying for
an annuity where even if i live till
1437
00:35:07,323 –> 00:35:11,570
[andy_panko]: ninety i’ll get maybe four something per
cent n’t it right if if i
1438
00:35:11,555 –> 00:35:11,899
[bruno_caron]: oh
1439
00:35:11,630 –> 00:35:14,975
[andy_panko]: die before that you know it’s a
terrible deal on the surface and i try
1440
00:35:15,015 –> 00:35:16,638
[andy_panko]: to explain to people don’t view it
as an investment you
1441
00:35:16,714 –> 00:35:16,956
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
1442
00:35:16,758 –> 00:35:20,967
[andy_panko]: can’t really look at are its longevity
insurance you buy it for guarantee stability certainty
1443
00:35:21,529 –> 00:35:22,752
[andy_panko]: knowing the pay checks on a e
there et cetera
1444
00:35:22,985 –> 00:35:23,005
[bruno_caron]: m
1445
00:35:23,413 –> 00:35:28,864
[andy_panko]: but still that’s a tough sale a
year ago when markets were red hot and
1446
00:35:28,924 –> 00:35:29,245
[andy_panko]: everyone’s
1447
00:35:29,007 –> 00:35:29,047
[bruno_caron]: m
1448
00:35:29,265 –> 00:35:32,069
[andy_panko]: like i got making money hand over
fist as much as i said to
1449
00:35:32,023 –> 00:35:32,044
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
1450
00:35:32,129 –> 00:35:32,390
[andy_panko]: folks
1451
00:35:32,199 –> 00:35:32,882
[bruno_caron]: and race for a log
1452
00:35:32,750 –> 00:35:33,552
[andy_panko]: this isn’t going to last
1453
00:35:33,844 –> 00:35:33,864
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
1454
00:35:34,353 –> 00:35:36,597
[andy_panko]: and rats were low and payouts weren’t
great on annuities
1455
00:35:36,274 –> 00:35:36,516
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
1456
00:35:36,757 –> 00:35:40,344
[andy_panko]: right um i did condition folks to
1457
00:35:40,394 –> 00:35:40,415
[bruno_caron]: m
1458
00:35:40,404 –> 00:35:41,867
[andy_panko]: say this stock market
1459
00:35:41,795 –> 00:35:41,815
[bruno_caron]: m
1460
00:35:41,907 –> 00:35:44,332
[andy_panko]: is not going to last i don’t
know when but it’s got to turn at
1461
00:35:44,352 –> 00:35:45,274
[andy_panko]: some point so here we are
1462
00:35:45,245 –> 00:35:45,845
[bruno_caron]: may
1463
00:35:45,414 –> 00:35:48,000
[andy_panko]: you know a year later um
1464
00:35:48,103 –> 00:35:48,124
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
1465
00:35:48,260 –> 00:35:54,831
[andy_panko]: now with markets down people are sort
of naturally more interested in my god what
1466
00:35:55,011 –> 00:35:55,892
[andy_panko]: do let’s do something
1467
00:35:56,054 –> 00:35:56,075
[bruno_caron]: m
1468
00:35:56,153 –> 00:35:56,453
[andy_panko]: should we
1469
00:35:56,413 –> 00:35:56,434
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
1470
00:35:56,513 –> 00:35:58,296
[andy_panko]: get into an annuity just cut my
losses
1471
00:35:58,043 –> 00:35:58,084
[ramsey_d_smith]: ah
1472
00:35:58,115 –> 00:35:58,135
[bruno_caron]: m
1473
00:35:58,417 –> 00:35:59,719
[andy_panko]: get rid of the variability going forward
1474
00:35:59,594 –> 00:35:59,615
[bruno_caron]: m
1475
00:36:00,640 –> 00:36:01,261
[andy_panko]: so we’ve had more
1476
00:36:01,325 –> 00:36:01,587
[bruno_caron]: yes
1477
00:36:01,342 –> 00:36:02,163
[andy_panko]: conversations
1478
00:36:01,354 –> 00:36:01,574
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
1479
00:36:02,263 –> 00:36:06,631
[andy_panko]: there is there’s two clients i’ve had
that talk with i didn’t sell them i
1480
00:36:06,731 –> 00:36:08,133
[andy_panko]: said here’s one alternative
1481
00:36:08,764 –> 00:36:09,484
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
1482
00:36:08,794 –> 00:36:08,874
[andy_panko]: to
1483
00:36:08,945 –> 00:36:08,965
[bruno_caron]: m
1484
00:36:08,955 –> 00:36:13,582
[andy_panko]: riding out investments you know i still
think investments will come back where
1485
00:36:13,414 –> 00:36:13,655
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
1486
00:36:13,763 –> 00:36:14,103
[andy_panko]: positioned
1487
00:36:13,796 –> 00:36:13,981
[bruno_caron]: yes
1488
00:36:14,143 –> 00:36:16,948
[andy_panko]: well for sequence overturn they have cash
buffers right we
1489
00:36:16,925 –> 00:36:17,069
[bruno_caron]: ye
1490
00:36:17,008 –> 00:36:19,893
[andy_panko]: got the sort of bucket thing going
on so we’re doing all the things we
1491
00:36:19,933 –> 00:36:21,195
[andy_panko]: should do from a traditional
1492
00:36:22,175 –> 00:36:22,398
[bruno_caron]: oh
1493
00:36:22,277 –> 00:36:27,844
[andy_panko]: probability based retirement playing perspect i but
certain clients are much more sensitive
1494
00:36:28,805 –> 00:36:29,208
[bruno_caron]: oh
1495
00:36:29,145 –> 00:36:31,568
[andy_panko]: to to down markets and how that
potentially impacts tem
1496
00:36:32,345 –> 00:36:32,547
[bruno_caron]: oh
1497
00:36:32,589 –> 00:36:36,055
[andy_panko]: um anyway to to put numbers to
it ramsey i don’t know
1498
00:36:35,944 –> 00:36:36,207
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
1499
00:36:37,177 –> 00:36:38,159
[andy_panko]: my gas definitely my
1500
00:36:38,014 –> 00:36:38,256
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
1501
00:36:38,240 –> 00:36:43,821
[andy_panko]: gas as sort of a cash savings
tool a few have done beyond my
1502
00:36:43,685 –> 00:36:44,405
[bruno_caron]: oh
1503
00:36:43,901 –> 00:36:45,784
[andy_panko]: gas and actually buying whether it’s a
spa
1504
00:36:46,025 –> 00:36:46,187
[bruno_caron]: oh
1505
00:36:46,225 –> 00:36:49,570
[andy_panko]: or just deferred ennui tat we’re playing
on annuitizing or getting a withdraw
1506
00:36:49,483 –> 00:36:49,504
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
1507
00:36:49,650 –> 00:36:54,298
[andy_panko]: writer on haven’t yet had any one
purchase yet since working with me but the
1508
00:36:54,358 –> 00:36:56,405
[andy_panko]: conversations come up in the last six
months
1509
00:36:56,786 –> 00:36:57,006
[paul_tyler]: okay
1510
00:36:57,365 –> 00:36:57,385
[bruno_caron]: m
1511
00:36:57,564 –> 00:36:57,786
[ramsey_d_smith]: got it
1512
00:36:58,469 –> 00:36:58,769
[paul_tyler]: two kind
1513
00:36:58,800 –> 00:36:59,067
[andy_panko]: yah
1514
00:36:58,809 –> 00:37:02,095
[paul_tyler]: of twin questions here for you you
know
1515
00:37:02,315 –> 00:37:03,021
[bruno_caron]: oh
1516
00:37:03,136 –> 00:37:04,318
[paul_tyler]: general questions always really
1517
00:37:04,170 –> 00:37:04,431
[andy_panko]: yeah
1518
00:37:04,378 –> 00:37:07,103
[paul_tyler]: tough potentially probability you can
1519
00:37:07,115 –> 00:37:07,336
[bruno_caron]: oh
1520
00:37:07,143 –> 00:37:10,809
[paul_tyler]: use all the words you need to
hear for compliance purposes but okay
1521
00:37:10,740 –> 00:37:12,289
[andy_panko]: my
1522
00:37:10,869 –> 00:37:14,215
[paul_tyler]: i’m in my fifties i’ve got a
sizable decent size for ink
1523
00:37:14,310 –> 00:37:14,533
[andy_panko]: yeah
1524
00:37:15,397 –> 00:37:20,986
[paul_tyler]: open up the paper inflation gas prices
are coming down inflations still up
1525
00:37:20,930 –> 00:37:21,051
[andy_panko]: yeah
1526
00:37:21,046 –> 00:37:21,247
[paul_tyler]: there
1527
00:37:21,215 –> 00:37:21,356
[bruno_caron]: oh
1528
00:37:21,307 –> 00:37:24,454
[paul_tyler]: i just see the russians blowing up
a potentially
1529
00:37:24,480 –> 00:37:24,741
[andy_panko]: yeah
1530
00:37:25,015 –> 00:37:25,316
[paul_tyler]: blowing
1531
00:37:25,325 –> 00:37:25,629
[bruno_caron]: oh
1532
00:37:25,376 –> 00:37:27,942
[paul_tyler]: up a fuel pipe line i see
the melt down in
1533
00:37:27,995 –> 00:37:28,216
[bruno_caron]: oh
1534
00:37:28,002 –> 00:37:28,283
[paul_tyler]: the bond
1535
00:37:28,278 –> 00:37:28,459
[andy_panko]: yeah
1536
00:37:28,343 –> 00:37:32,980
[paul_tyler]: market and you know i got this
plan what what kind of
1537
00:37:32,945 –> 00:37:33,189
[bruno_caron]: oh
1538
00:37:33,041 –> 00:37:34,964
[paul_tyler]: changes so i’d be making do you
have any
1539
00:37:34,925 –> 00:37:35,088
[bruno_caron]: yeah
1540
00:37:35,024 –> 00:37:40,733
[paul_tyler]: like to id you have top top
three um ideas or concepts or recommendation ure
1541
00:37:40,753 –> 00:37:41,575
[paul_tyler]: giving to people right now
1542
00:37:41,735 –> 00:37:41,957
[bruno_caron]: yeah
1543
00:37:42,016 –> 00:37:42,766
[paul_tyler]: oh
1544
00:37:42,725 –> 00:37:42,946
[bruno_caron]: oh
1545
00:37:43,572 –> 00:37:43,672
[andy_panko]: no
1546
00:37:44,837 –> 00:37:45,895
[bruno_caron]: m m m
1547
00:37:46,196 –> 00:37:51,604
[andy_panko]: as bad as it might sound on
the surface i still feel the plans we
1548
00:37:51,684 –> 00:37:56,994
[andy_panko]: put together for people were well thought
out well constructed they knew eventually down turns
1549
00:37:57,035 –> 00:38:01,692
[andy_panko]: going to happen here it is and
it’s human nature to want to feel
1550
00:38:01,505 –> 00:38:03,005
[bruno_caron]: oh
1551
00:38:02,312 –> 00:38:04,614
[andy_panko]: i got to do something i got
to sell i got a chant i gotta
1552
00:38:04,635 –> 00:38:04,915
[andy_panko]: whatever
1553
00:38:05,144 –> 00:38:05,165
[bruno_caron]: m
1554
00:38:05,816 –> 00:38:10,461
[andy_panko]: the best response i can give people
is don’t just do something stand there no
1555
00:38:10,801 –> 00:38:12,245
[andy_panko]: i don’t know who said it but
i think it’s brilliant
1556
00:38:12,605 –> 00:38:12,887
[bruno_caron]: yes
1557
00:38:12,706 –> 00:38:15,652
[andy_panko]: when you feel the need to do
something just because there’s so many click bates
1558
00:38:15,732 –> 00:38:17,396
[andy_panko]: and noise and news bites
1559
00:38:17,435 –> 00:38:18,395
[bruno_caron]: oh
1560
00:38:17,496 –> 00:38:18,057
[andy_panko]: about whatever
1561
00:38:18,766 –> 00:38:19,426
[paul_tyler]: oh
1562
00:38:19,660 –> 00:38:19,741
[andy_panko]: the
1563
00:38:19,745 –> 00:38:20,267
[bruno_caron]: oh
1564
00:38:19,801 –> 00:38:22,145
[andy_panko]: plan is built for this now it’s
super painful to watch
1565
00:38:23,165 –> 00:38:23,428
[bruno_caron]: oh
1566
00:38:24,509 –> 00:38:25,831
[andy_panko]: them off i’m
1567
00:38:25,865 –> 00:38:27,665
[bruno_caron]: oh
1568
00:38:25,891 –> 00:38:30,098
[andy_panko]: not saying it’s not when someone looks
at their balances and stock markets are down
1569
00:38:30,338 –> 00:38:33,403
[andy_panko]: twenty twenty five and dependin what yu’re
talking about agra
1570
00:38:33,434 –> 00:38:33,455
[bruno_caron]: m
1571
00:38:33,544 –> 00:38:34,064
[andy_panko]: bonbmarkets
1572
00:38:33,635 –> 00:38:33,917
[bruno_caron]: oh
1573
00:38:34,165 –> 00:38:37,951
[andy_panko]: down twelve thirteen percent for the year
stock market doesn’t
1574
00:38:37,775 –> 00:38:38,057
[bruno_caron]: oh
1575
00:38:37,971 –> 00:38:41,997
[andy_panko]: surprise me the bomb market that took
everyone by surprise not that we didn’t know
1576
00:38:42,038 –> 00:38:44,201
[andy_panko]: the risk was there you know if
you know about the race you now this
1577
00:38:44,241 –> 00:38:48,288
[andy_panko]: can happen but the extent in the
in the quickness
1578
00:38:48,035 –> 00:38:48,905
[bruno_caron]: yeah
1579
00:38:48,348 –> 00:38:51,994
[andy_panko]: with which it have risen has has
really you’ve gin a slap in the face
1580
00:38:52,194 –> 00:38:52,535
[andy_panko]: but anyway
1581
00:38:54,125 –> 00:38:54,305
[bruno_caron]: yeah
1582
00:38:54,799 –> 00:38:59,106
[andy_panko]: my view is and for people that
are okay with the view we’re carrying on
1583
00:38:59,186 –> 00:39:01,610
[andy_panko]: for people that aren’t okay with the
view those are the ones we have the
1584
00:39:01,630 –> 00:39:05,657
[andy_panko]: annuity conversation were like i get and
i don’t care if you say i went
1585
00:39:05,737 –> 00:39:05,817
[andy_panko]: out
1586
00:39:06,155 –> 00:39:06,499
[bruno_caron]: oh
1587
00:39:06,338 –> 00:39:10,164
[andy_panko]: then okay fine you know the then
we start to consider whatever happened up to
1588
00:39:10,184 –> 00:39:12,428
[andy_panko]: this point it is what it is
now we put the guarantees
1589
00:39:12,485 –> 00:39:13,175
[bruno_caron]: yeah
1590
00:39:12,488 –> 00:39:15,433
[andy_panko]: in place you maybe shoot yourself on
the foot you know when the rebound
1591
00:39:15,425 –> 00:39:15,690
[bruno_caron]: yeah
1592
00:39:15,473 –> 00:39:18,478
[andy_panko]: happens in one year two or three
years they may come back and be like
1593
00:39:18,558 –> 00:39:18,899
[andy_panko]: oh man
1594
00:39:18,845 –> 00:39:19,046
[bruno_caron]: yes
1595
00:39:18,939 –> 00:39:22,605
[andy_panko]: what i do that but we discuss
all the pros and cons now and make
1596
00:39:22,625 –> 00:39:23,767
[andy_panko]: the best decision so
1597
00:39:23,757 –> 00:39:23,938
[paul_tyler]: okay
1598
00:39:23,827 –> 00:39:24,027
[andy_panko]: anyway
1599
00:39:24,635 –> 00:39:24,820
[bruno_caron]: yeah
1600
00:39:24,868 –> 00:39:25,009
[paul_tyler]: yeah
1601
00:39:24,989 –> 00:39:28,916
[andy_panko]: no no no dramatic changes one thing
i have started doing is people’s
1602
00:39:28,775 –> 00:39:28,977
[bruno_caron]: yeah
1603
00:39:28,956 –> 00:39:29,837
[andy_panko]: fixed income portion
1604
00:39:30,513 –> 00:39:30,635
[bruno_caron]: yeah
1605
00:39:30,759 –> 00:39:32,622
[andy_panko]: instead of just a total bond market
fund
1606
00:39:32,375 –> 00:39:32,395
[bruno_caron]: m
1607
00:39:32,862 –> 00:39:34,585
[andy_panko]: starting to layer in some
1608
00:39:34,606 –> 00:39:34,948
[paul_tyler]: oh
1609
00:39:34,645 –> 00:39:35,126
[andy_panko]: t bills
1610
00:39:35,315 –> 00:39:36,215
[bruno_caron]: yeah
1611
00:39:35,967 –> 00:39:39,313
[andy_panko]: because yields are for and giver take
as a portion
1612
00:39:39,095 –> 00:39:39,357
[bruno_caron]: oh
1613
00:39:39,513 –> 00:39:42,358
[andy_panko]: of their of their fixed income you
know a year ago t bill yields where
1614
00:39:42,398 –> 00:39:45,844
[andy_panko]: a joke there was really no reason
to lock up money at you know half
1615
00:39:45,904 –> 00:39:46,164
[andy_panko]: percent
1616
00:39:45,995 –> 00:39:46,277
[bruno_caron]: oh
1617
00:39:46,224 –> 00:39:48,268
[andy_panko]: or whatever now slightly different story
1618
00:39:48,785 –> 00:39:49,625
[bruno_caron]: yeah
1619
00:39:49,490 –> 00:39:49,770
[andy_panko]: but that’s
1620
00:39:49,655 –> 00:39:50,435
[bruno_caron]: oh
1621
00:39:49,910 –> 00:39:52,694
[andy_panko]: only the only real sort of change
i’ve kind of done
1622
00:39:52,867 –> 00:39:52,887
[bruno_caron]: m
1623
00:39:53,455 –> 00:39:53,875
[andy_panko]: with folks so
1624
00:39:53,894 –> 00:39:53,915
[bruno_caron]: m
1625
00:39:53,955 –> 00:39:54,076
[andy_panko]: far
1626
00:39:54,796 –> 00:39:55,998
[paul_tyler]: okay last one then we’ll
1627
00:39:56,075 –> 00:39:56,276
[bruno_caron]: yeah
1628
00:39:56,118 –> 00:39:59,484
[paul_tyler]: have bruno and ramsey give you their
best their best
1629
00:39:59,345 –> 00:39:59,586
[bruno_caron]: oh
1630
00:39:59,564 –> 00:40:00,405
[paul_tyler]: question there they’re gonna be
1631
00:40:00,360 –> 00:40:01,050
[andy_panko]: oh
1632
00:40:00,445 –> 00:40:01,407
[paul_tyler]: tough so you know
1633
00:40:01,445 –> 00:40:03,005
[bruno_caron]: yeah
1634
00:40:01,500 –> 00:40:01,641
[andy_panko]: sure
1635
00:40:01,547 –> 00:40:03,871
[paul_tyler]: get ready for this i’m
1636
00:40:03,794 –> 00:40:04,026
[bruno_caron]: m uh
1637
00:40:03,911 –> 00:40:04,552
[paul_tyler]: an advisor
1638
00:40:04,100 –> 00:40:04,220
[andy_panko]: oh
1639
00:40:04,812 –> 00:40:08,519
[paul_tyler]: oh my gosh you know you built
this great practice three years
1640
00:40:08,315 –> 00:40:08,335
[bruno_caron]: m
1641
00:40:08,599 –> 00:40:10,322
[paul_tyler]: off of facebook how do i
1642
00:40:10,325 –> 00:40:10,587
[bruno_caron]: oh
1643
00:40:10,402 –> 00:40:11,724
[paul_tyler]: future prove my practice
1644
00:40:12,810 –> 00:40:13,010
[andy_panko]: yeah
1645
00:40:13,955 –> 00:40:14,096
[bruno_caron]: yeah
1646
00:40:15,829 –> 00:40:16,800
[andy_panko]: um m
1647
00:40:17,615 –> 00:40:18,038
[bruno_caron]: oh
1648
00:40:17,711 –> 00:40:19,974
[andy_panko]: in what sense like specifically
1649
00:40:19,627 –> 00:40:19,947
[paul_tyler]: it could
1650
00:40:19,775 –> 00:40:21,185
[bruno_caron]: yeah
1651
00:40:20,007 –> 00:40:20,107
[paul_tyler]: be
1652
00:40:20,014 –> 00:40:21,036
[andy_panko]: to me or other advisors
1653
00:40:20,809 –> 00:40:24,254
[paul_tyler]: could be i’m just talking i’m somebody
who calls you up and says
1654
00:40:24,245 –> 00:40:24,965
[bruno_caron]: yeah
1655
00:40:24,354 –> 00:40:27,339
[paul_tyler]: i love what you’ve done you’ve clearly
1656
00:40:27,305 –> 00:40:27,529
[bruno_caron]: oh
1657
00:40:27,700 –> 00:40:30,885
[paul_tyler]: taken some very conscious decisions around fast
1658
00:40:30,845 –> 00:40:31,026
[bruno_caron]: yah
1659
00:40:31,086 –> 00:40:31,807
[paul_tyler]: there’s number
1660
00:40:31,740 –> 00:40:32,001
[andy_panko]: yeah
1661
00:40:31,847 –> 00:40:33,650
[paul_tyler]: of clients how you’re building
1662
00:40:33,675 –> 00:40:33,798
[andy_panko]: yeah
1663
00:40:33,990 –> 00:40:34,491
[paul_tyler]: prospects
1664
00:40:34,235 –> 00:40:34,479
[bruno_caron]: oh
1665
00:40:34,571 –> 00:40:37,376
[paul_tyler]: what you’re doing within the industry you
know is there
1666
00:40:37,595 –> 00:40:37,776
[bruno_caron]: yes
1667
00:40:38,238 –> 00:40:41,383
[paul_tyler]: any just sort of big piece of
advice you give
1668
00:40:41,340 –> 00:40:41,581
[andy_panko]: yeah
1669
00:40:41,405 –> 00:40:41,688
[bruno_caron]: oh
1670
00:40:41,423 –> 00:40:44,460
[paul_tyler]: advisors who may talk to you oh
1671
00:40:44,735 –> 00:40:44,936
[bruno_caron]: yeah
1672
00:40:45,502 –> 00:40:48,767
[andy_panko]: uh i mean honestly the advisors who
seek me
1673
00:40:48,785 –> 00:40:49,087
[bruno_caron]: oh
1674
00:40:49,028 –> 00:40:51,932
[andy_panko]: out is more about fee structures people
who want
1675
00:40:51,845 –> 00:40:52,955
[bruno_caron]: oh
1676
00:40:51,973 –> 00:40:55,138
[andy_panko]: to get into a flat fee set
up whether they’re starting
1677
00:40:55,055 –> 00:40:56,315
[bruno_caron]: yeah
1678
00:40:55,158 –> 00:40:57,522
[andy_panko]: their own thing or they’re at it
place that wants to try to transition
1679
00:40:58,235 –> 00:40:58,476
[bruno_caron]: oh
1680
00:40:58,744 –> 00:41:02,029
[andy_panko]: not percent of assets isn’t going away
it will be here longer
1681
00:41:01,895 –> 00:41:02,142
[bruno_caron]: yeah
1682
00:41:02,350 –> 00:41:02,650
[andy_panko]: than all
1683
00:41:02,615 –> 00:41:02,841
[bruno_caron]: yeah
1684
00:41:02,690 –> 00:41:05,675
[andy_panko]: of us but anecdotally i do see
1685
00:41:05,675 –> 00:41:05,938
[bruno_caron]: oh
1686
00:41:05,755 –> 00:41:08,821
[andy_panko]: a lot more change views
1687
00:41:08,525 –> 00:41:08,545
[bruno_caron]: m
1688
00:41:08,941 –> 00:41:11,766
[andy_panko]: changing preference from advisors and consumers alike
1689
00:41:12,695 –> 00:41:12,939
[bruno_caron]: oh
1690
00:41:12,707 –> 00:41:15,973
[andy_panko]: to start moving away from percent of
assets it’s not
1691
00:41:15,875 –> 00:41:16,116
[bruno_caron]: oh
1692
00:41:16,013 –> 00:41:19,078
[andy_panko]: going to be this dramatic overnight switch
where
1693
00:41:18,965 –> 00:41:19,249
[bruno_caron]: oh
1694
00:41:19,378 –> 00:41:21,562
[andy_panko]: all the wire houses now wake up
tomorrow and start doing flat
1695
00:41:21,515 –> 00:41:21,756
[bruno_caron]: yah
1696
00:41:21,622 –> 00:41:22,984
[andy_panko]: fees but
1697
00:41:22,964 –> 00:41:22,985
[bruno_caron]: h
1698
00:41:23,044 –> 00:41:23,485
[andy_panko]: i do see
1699
00:41:24,046 –> 00:41:24,796
[paul_tyler]: oh
1700
00:41:24,507 –> 00:41:24,707
[andy_panko]: lots
1701
00:41:24,665 –> 00:41:26,135
[bruno_caron]: oh
1702
00:41:24,727 –> 00:41:27,432
[andy_panko]: of advisors trying to change over namely
the younger
1703
00:41:27,485 –> 00:41:27,687
[bruno_caron]: yes
1704
00:41:27,512 –> 00:41:29,555
[andy_panko]: ones are the ones trying to start
their own thing because they’re doing it for
1705
00:41:29,575 –> 00:41:30,116
[andy_panko]: the right reasons
1706
00:41:30,185 –> 00:41:30,205
[bruno_caron]: m
1707
00:41:30,777 –> 00:41:32,525
[andy_panko]: so my advice is percent of asses
and going
1708
00:41:32,555 –> 00:41:32,777
[bruno_caron]: yeah
1709
00:41:32,585 –> 00:41:39,723
[andy_panko]: away but definitely be aware other fee
structures other service offerings for not doing tax
1710
00:41:39,844 –> 00:41:41,526
[andy_panko]: planning if you’re overcharging
1711
00:41:41,375 –> 00:41:41,762
[bruno_caron]: oh
1712
00:41:41,586 –> 00:41:44,852
[andy_panko]: on basic percent of asset model someone
might
1713
00:41:44,855 –> 00:41:45,177
[bruno_caron]: oh
1714
00:41:44,872 –> 00:41:47,181
[andy_panko]: start eating your lunch and don’t be
surprised if that happens over the next ten
1715
00:41:47,302 –> 00:41:47,724
[andy_panko]: twenty years
1716
00:41:48,365 –> 00:41:50,015
[bruno_caron]: yah h
1717
00:41:50,008 –> 00:41:50,089
[paul_tyler]: no
1718
00:41:51,270 –> 00:41:51,514
[andy_panko]: yeah
1719
00:41:51,566 –> 00:41:51,847
[paul_tyler]: thoughts
1720
00:41:51,866 –> 00:41:52,066
[bruno_caron]: well
1721
00:41:51,967 –> 00:41:52,329
[paul_tyler]: question
1722
00:41:52,166 –> 00:41:52,407
[bruno_caron]: i mean
1723
00:41:53,010 –> 00:41:53,231
[andy_panko]: yeah
1724
00:41:53,469 –> 00:41:56,253
[bruno_caron]: last question all right well usually start
with that
1725
00:41:56,269 –> 00:41:56,370
[andy_panko]: yeah
1726
00:41:56,293 –> 00:41:57,916
[bruno_caron]: because that gets the conversation going but
1727
00:41:58,710 –> 00:41:58,911
[andy_panko]: oh
1728
00:41:58,838 –> 00:42:00,440
[bruno_caron]: sounds like a little backwards but
1729
00:42:01,860 –> 00:42:02,121
[andy_panko]: yeah
1730
00:42:02,183 –> 00:42:03,646
[bruno_caron]: how do you um
1731
00:42:03,872 –> 00:42:03,912
[andy_panko]: h
1732
00:42:03,916 –> 00:42:04,340
[paul_tyler]: oh
1733
00:42:04,587 –> 00:42:04,848
[bruno_caron]: how do you
1734
00:42:04,839 –> 00:42:04,860
[andy_panko]: h
1735
00:42:04,908 –> 00:42:05,008
[bruno_caron]: view
1736
00:42:05,040 –> 00:42:05,302
[andy_panko]: oh
1737
00:42:05,228 –> 00:42:09,435
[bruno_caron]: income in retirement do you use the
four percent rule
1738
00:42:09,360 –> 00:42:09,540
[andy_panko]: oh
1739
00:42:10,237 –> 00:42:16,908
[bruno_caron]: do you you know you mentioned the
weight vow to basic approaches you mentioned
1740
00:42:16,714 –> 00:42:16,875
[andy_panko]: yeah
1741
00:42:17,128 –> 00:42:18,891
[bruno_caron]: the three stools um
1742
00:42:19,456 –> 00:42:19,765
[paul_tyler]: oh
1743
00:42:19,592 –> 00:42:21,295
[bruno_caron]: in aggregate and all in
1744
00:42:21,263 –> 00:42:21,384
[andy_panko]: oh
1745
00:42:21,535 –> 00:42:25,883
[bruno_caron]: all you know all marvels considered how
do
1746
00:42:25,890 –> 00:42:26,110
[andy_panko]: oh
1747
00:42:25,963 –> 00:42:30,873
[bruno_caron]: you you plan on you know total
income for each year
1748
00:42:31,020 –> 00:42:31,040
[andy_panko]: m
1749
00:42:32,036 –> 00:42:32,357
[bruno_caron]: for
1750
00:42:32,460 –> 00:42:33,210
[andy_panko]: oh
1751
00:42:32,718 –> 00:42:36,655
[bruno_caron]: you know for for a newly retired
m m
1752
00:42:37,515 –> 00:42:41,481
[andy_panko]: that’s a tough one and that there
is no single rule thumb or process or
1753
00:42:41,562 –> 00:42:41,922
[andy_panko]: formula
1754
00:42:42,095 –> 00:42:42,360
[bruno_caron]: oh
1755
00:42:42,183 –> 00:42:46,911
[andy_panko]: that works um i do use traditional
financial planning oft were that
1756
00:42:46,895 –> 00:42:47,160
[bruno_caron]: yes
1757
00:42:46,971 –> 00:42:49,014
[andy_panko]: does project out cash flows of anticipated
1758
00:42:48,875 –> 00:42:49,076
[bruno_caron]: yah
1759
00:42:49,074 –> 00:42:50,597
[andy_panko]: income and expenses and backs
1760
00:42:50,404 –> 00:42:50,465
[bruno_caron]: ah
1761
00:42:50,677 –> 00:42:52,239
[andy_panko]: in to assume portfolio withdraws and
1762
00:42:52,265 –> 00:42:52,566
[bruno_caron]: oh
1763
00:42:52,279 –> 00:42:54,884
[andy_panko]: doesn’t monte carlo based on that you
can tweak it kick
1764
00:42:54,914 –> 00:42:54,935
[bruno_caron]: h
1765
00:42:54,944 –> 00:42:55,224
[andy_panko]: it however
1766
00:42:55,115 –> 00:42:55,338
[bruno_caron]: yeah
1767
00:42:55,244 –> 00:42:58,229
[andy_panko]: you want four percent rule tremendously
1768
00:42:58,565 –> 00:42:58,866
[bruno_caron]: oh
1769
00:42:58,690 –> 00:43:02,056
[andy_panko]: you know i know it well studied
it a lot
1770
00:43:02,255 –> 00:43:02,416
[bruno_caron]: yeah
1771
00:43:02,677 –> 00:43:06,603
[andy_panko]: know what it does but in reality
no one lives a simple pretty
1772
00:43:06,808 –> 00:43:06,849
[bruno_caron]: m
1773
00:43:06,844 –> 00:43:08,266
[andy_panko]: linear consistent annual
1774
00:43:08,024 –> 00:43:08,045
[bruno_caron]: m
1775
00:43:08,466 –> 00:43:09,348
[andy_panko]: distribution life
1776
00:43:09,755 –> 00:43:10,385
[bruno_caron]: oh
1777
00:43:10,350 –> 00:43:12,906
[andy_panko]: it’s at least a good back of
the envelope starting point for example
1778
00:43:12,887 –> 00:43:13,715
[bruno_caron]: m m
1779
00:43:13,920 –> 00:43:16,264
[andy_panko]: um some one sixty five they retire
they
1780
00:43:16,244 –> 00:43:16,265
[bruno_caron]: m
1781
00:43:16,364 –> 00:43:18,367
[andy_panko]: got fifty thousand of social security
1782
00:43:18,185 –> 00:43:18,205
[bruno_caron]: m
1783
00:43:18,427 –> 00:43:23,296
[andy_panko]: between you know spouses and their total
expense needs are let’s say eighty so they
1784
00:43:23,336 –> 00:43:24,598
[andy_panko]: got a thirty thousand shortfall
1785
00:43:25,246 –> 00:43:25,266
[paul_tyler]: m
1786
00:43:25,445 –> 00:43:25,465
[bruno_caron]: m
1787
00:43:25,740 –> 00:43:29,433
[andy_panko]: multiply by twenty five and that’s the
starting point of how many
1788
00:43:29,405 –> 00:43:29,628
[bruno_caron]: oh
1789
00:43:29,453 –> 00:43:32,938
[andy_panko]: investable assets you should have if you
want to do a pure probability based
1790
00:43:32,915 –> 00:43:33,177
[bruno_caron]: oh
1791
00:43:33,700 –> 00:43:36,624
[andy_panko]: thirty year distribution on that then you’re
in the
1792
00:43:36,596 –> 00:43:36,636
[bruno_caron]: m
1793
00:43:36,645 –> 00:43:37,406
[andy_panko]: all park right
1794
00:43:37,604 –> 00:43:37,625
[bruno_caron]: m
1795
00:43:37,726 –> 00:43:40,231
[andy_panko]: if your if your assets fall far
short of
1796
00:43:40,295 –> 00:43:40,518
[bruno_caron]: oh
1797
00:43:40,311 –> 00:43:43,877
[andy_panko]: that twenty five number and twenty five
is just the reciprocal of four percent
1798
00:43:44,015 –> 00:43:44,198
[bruno_caron]: yeah
1799
00:43:44,698 –> 00:43:45,740
[andy_panko]: if your assets are far short
1800
00:43:46,488 –> 00:43:46,509
[bruno_caron]: m
1801
00:43:46,821 –> 00:43:47,803
[andy_panko]: you got to think this plan
1802
00:43:47,624 –> 00:43:47,645
[bruno_caron]: m
1803
00:43:47,903 –> 00:43:50,067
[andy_panko]: you now there’s a decent chance ou
might run out if your
1804
00:43:50,097 –> 00:43:50,178
[bruno_caron]: oh
1805
00:43:50,147 –> 00:43:55,756
[andy_panko]: assets are comfortably above that there’s really
no reason to think barring law suit or
1806
00:43:55,754 –> 00:43:55,775
[bruno_caron]: m
1807
00:43:55,816 –> 00:43:58,100
[andy_panko]: you know not having proper protections in
place about umbrella
1808
00:43:57,935 –> 00:43:58,196
[bruno_caron]: yeah
1809
00:43:58,160 –> 00:44:01,806
[andy_panko]: insurance and someone breaking their neck on
your sidewalk onsumingyou for two million bucks or
1810
00:44:01,847 –> 00:44:07,436
[andy_panko]: something just from pure distribution standpoint you
should be fine if you want to take
1811
00:44:07,476 –> 00:44:10,962
[andy_panko]: some of that should be fine away
then you can start layering in some annuities
1812
00:44:11,202 –> 00:44:15,149
[andy_panko]: and this is where i sort of
trip myself up over thinking it i think
1813
00:44:15,269 –> 00:44:17,697
[andy_panko]: is even with annuities
1814
00:44:19,054 –> 00:44:19,254
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
1815
00:44:19,170 –> 00:44:21,334
[andy_panko]: if you take all of your assets
and pump it into
1816
00:44:21,185 –> 00:44:21,470
[bruno_caron]: oh
1817
00:44:21,374 –> 00:44:23,258
[andy_panko]: annuities with guaranteed payments you know it’s
1818
00:44:23,206 –> 00:44:23,866
[paul_tyler]: yeah
1819
00:44:23,278 –> 00:44:24,240
[andy_panko]: certainty what your payment are going to
be
1820
00:44:24,575 –> 00:44:25,565
[bruno_caron]: my
1821
00:44:24,901 –> 00:44:26,444
[andy_panko]: borrowing to follow to the insurer but
even then there’s
1822
00:44:26,405 –> 00:44:26,708
[bruno_caron]: oh
1823
00:44:26,484 –> 00:44:28,287
[andy_panko]: state backstop so let’s assume you still
get paid
1824
00:44:29,465 –> 00:44:29,645
[bruno_caron]: yeah
1825
00:44:30,100 –> 00:44:34,026
[andy_panko]: but that doesn’t mean it’s riskless what
if inflation persists at eight nine percent for
1826
00:44:34,106 –> 00:44:34,788
[andy_panko]: ten years
1827
00:44:34,791 –> 00:44:34,832
[bruno_caron]: m
1828
00:44:35,950 –> 00:44:40,517
[andy_panko]: do any annuities newly written annuities even
have traditional colas anymore on their payments like
1829
00:44:41,278 –> 00:44:41,459
[andy_panko]: i don’t
1830
00:44:41,347 –> 00:44:41,429
[paul_tyler]: no
1831
00:44:41,435 –> 00:44:41,678
[bruno_caron]: oh
1832
00:44:41,479 –> 00:44:42,361
[andy_panko]: think so to mind that’s right
1833
00:44:42,977 –> 00:44:43,079
[paul_tyler]: no
1834
00:44:43,545 –> 00:44:43,806
[bruno_caron]: social
1835
00:44:43,706 –> 00:44:43,806
[andy_panko]: so
1836
00:44:43,886 –> 00:44:44,227
[bruno_caron]: security
1837
00:44:45,501 –> 00:44:46,703
[andy_panko]: which is why it’s the best thing
there is
1838
00:44:46,745 –> 00:44:46,929
[bruno_caron]: oh
1839
00:44:46,763 –> 00:44:47,744
[andy_panko]: and make the most of it so
1840
00:44:47,675 –> 00:44:47,957
[bruno_caron]: oh
1841
00:44:48,125 –> 00:44:52,573
[andy_panko]: you know even going the pure annuity
route isn’t isn’t riskless so it’s always going
1842
00:44:52,593 –> 00:44:55,938
[andy_panko]: to be this mixed you can never
solve with finite
1843
00:44:55,685 –> 00:44:55,886
[bruno_caron]: oh
1844
00:44:56,018 –> 00:44:58,983
[andy_panko]: certainty that someone will be okay or
will
1845
00:44:58,895 –> 00:44:59,426
[bruno_caron]: oh
1846
00:44:59,043 –> 00:45:02,329
[andy_panko]: not i started triangulate i do things
1847
00:45:02,195 –> 00:45:02,438
[bruno_caron]: yeah
1848
00:45:02,369 –> 00:45:07,057
[andy_panko]: like the four percent rule is a
ham handed starting point monte carlo under various
1849
00:45:07,177 –> 00:45:10,462
[andy_panko]: twists and tweet i know that’s just
guessing the future using the past as a
1850
00:45:10,482 –> 00:45:11,003
[andy_panko]: predictor so i
1851
00:45:11,015 –> 00:45:11,283
[bruno_caron]: yes
1852
00:45:11,043 –> 00:45:14,008
[andy_panko]: know it’s flawed but it’s sort of
the closest
1853
00:45:13,986 –> 00:45:14,026
[bruno_caron]: m
1854
00:45:14,028 –> 00:45:15,431
[andy_panko]: thing we got to a crystal ball
if
1855
00:45:15,434 –> 00:45:15,455
[bruno_caron]: m
1856
00:45:15,471 –> 00:45:16,913
[andy_panko]: you will um
1857
00:45:17,226 –> 00:45:17,267
[bruno_caron]: m
1858
00:45:17,935 –> 00:45:18,295
[andy_panko]: and even
1859
00:45:18,194 –> 00:45:19,025
[bruno_caron]: m my
1860
00:45:18,396 –> 00:45:20,018
[andy_panko]: just sort of basic math
1861
00:45:19,936 –> 00:45:20,536
[paul_tyler]: yeah
1862
00:45:20,058 –> 00:45:20,760
[andy_panko]: like i had a conversate
1863
00:45:20,885 –> 00:45:20,905
[bruno_caron]: m
1864
00:45:20,900 –> 00:45:24,767
[andy_panko]: client the other day do i have
enough i looked at well you need ex
1865
00:45:24,887 –> 00:45:29,054
[andy_panko]: amount of dollars per year you have
wide amount of dollars in your investment account
1866
00:45:29,215 –> 00:45:30,818
[andy_panko]: even though it’s down twenty per cent
1867
00:45:31,955 –> 00:45:32,135
[bruno_caron]: oh
1868
00:45:32,020 –> 00:45:36,768
[andy_panko]: that’s a two per cent withdraw rate
for the next thirty five years i don’t
1869
00:45:36,755 –> 00:45:36,775
[bruno_caron]: m
1870
00:45:36,788 –> 00:45:40,554
[andy_panko]: know that anyone can can realistically argue
that a two per cent with draw rate
1871
00:45:40,614 –> 00:45:41,656
[andy_panko]: isn’t safe like dividends
1872
00:45:41,525 –> 00:45:41,748
[bruno_caron]: oh
1873
00:45:41,676 –> 00:45:45,302
[andy_panko]: and interest alone throw off two percent
for her so for her i’m like i
1874
00:45:45,342 –> 00:45:47,125
[andy_panko]: don’t need the fancy tools you’re good
1875
00:45:47,135 –> 00:45:48,215
[bruno_caron]: yeah
1876
00:45:47,946 –> 00:45:48,888
[andy_panko]: that’s a simple scenario
1877
00:45:48,944 –> 00:45:48,965
[bruno_caron]: m
1878
00:45:49,228 –> 00:45:53,776
[andy_panko]: to constrain investor in market speak that’s
more difficult and that’s where you can’t
1879
00:45:54,005 –> 00:45:54,025
[bruno_caron]: m
1880
00:45:54,257 –> 00:45:57,222
[andy_panko]: pinpoint it even if you do o
the safety first thing
1881
00:45:57,515 –> 00:45:57,761
[bruno_caron]: oh
1882
00:45:58,243 –> 00:46:00,487
[andy_panko]: there’s still some element of unknown future
risk
1883
00:46:00,875 –> 00:46:01,217
[bruno_caron]: oh
1884
00:46:00,948 –> 00:46:03,152
[andy_panko]: that you can’t quite solve for so
you just kind of have to look at
1885
00:46:03,232 –> 00:46:04,073
[andy_panko]: all the different angles
1886
00:46:04,205 –> 00:46:04,427
[bruno_caron]: yeah
1887
00:46:04,394 –> 00:46:07,258
[andy_panko]: approaching from different ways where there’s monte
carlo four percent just
1888
00:46:07,385 –> 00:46:07,626
[bruno_caron]: yeah
1889
00:46:07,399 –> 00:46:13,308
[andy_panko]: basic tick and tying of cash flows
um and revisit every year even in retirement
1890
00:46:13,349 –> 00:46:13,489
[andy_panko]: these
1891
00:46:13,505 –> 00:46:13,726
[bruno_caron]: yeah
1892
00:46:13,529 –> 00:46:18,036
[andy_panko]: plans are always moving targets always dynamic
so you really have to kind of keep
1893
00:46:18,096 –> 00:46:21,182
[andy_panko]: reaping if their expenses change life circumstances
change
1894
00:46:20,945 –> 00:46:21,166
[bruno_caron]: yeah
1895
00:46:21,222 –> 00:46:21,703
[andy_panko]: if inflation
1896
00:46:21,526 –> 00:46:22,606
[paul_tyler]: oh
1897
00:46:21,783 –> 00:46:24,768
[andy_panko]: changes their plans will change you have
to be adaptable
1898
00:46:24,695 –> 00:46:25,595
[bruno_caron]: oh
1899
00:46:24,808 –> 00:46:28,907
[andy_panko]: to it very long winded answer sorry
but it’s a great question
1900
00:46:28,629 –> 00:46:28,649
[bruno_caron]: h
1901
00:46:28,987 –> 00:46:29,769
[andy_panko]: but not one that i
1902
00:46:29,774 –> 00:46:29,795
[bruno_caron]: h
1903
00:46:29,809 –> 00:46:30,390
[andy_panko]: think has
1904
00:46:30,226 –> 00:46:30,490
[paul_tyler]: oh
1905
00:46:30,591 –> 00:46:31,012
[andy_panko]: a tint
1906
00:46:31,096 –> 00:46:31,318
[paul_tyler]: oh
1907
00:46:31,814 –> 00:46:31,994
[andy_panko]: hundred
1908
00:46:31,834 –> 00:46:32,134
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
1909
00:46:32,014 –> 00:46:32,696
[andy_panko]: percent right answer
1910
00:46:34,156 –> 00:46:34,597
[paul_tyler]: you’re good
1911
00:46:34,380 –> 00:46:34,721
[andy_panko]: oh
1912
00:46:34,620 –> 00:46:34,761
[bruno_caron]: that
1913
00:46:36,161 –> 00:46:36,522
[paul_tyler]: ramsey
1914
00:46:36,425 –> 00:46:36,647
[bruno_caron]: oh
1915
00:46:37,904 –> 00:46:38,104
[ramsey_d_smith]: well
1916
00:46:37,955 –> 00:46:38,257
[bruno_caron]: oh
1917
00:46:38,404 –> 00:46:41,029
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah absolutely so i think i already
asked my tough
1918
00:46:41,045 –> 00:46:41,307
[bruno_caron]: oh
1919
00:46:41,089 –> 00:46:41,550
[ramsey_d_smith]: questions
1920
00:46:41,380 –> 00:46:41,521
[andy_panko]: what
1921
00:46:41,950 –> 00:46:42,111
[ramsey_d_smith]: and
1922
00:46:42,256 –> 00:46:42,579
[paul_tyler]: oh
1923
00:46:42,772 –> 00:46:44,758
[ramsey_d_smith]: you know i think that i mean
i
1924
00:46:44,855 –> 00:46:45,178
[bruno_caron]: oh
1925
00:46:44,859 –> 00:46:45,080
[ramsey_d_smith]: hope
1926
00:46:45,496 –> 00:46:45,516
[paul_tyler]: m
1927
00:46:45,924 –> 00:46:46,228
[ramsey_d_smith]: hope that
1928
00:46:46,140 –> 00:46:46,281
[andy_panko]: oh
1929
00:46:46,329 –> 00:46:47,137
[ramsey_d_smith]: future proofing
1930
00:46:47,555 –> 00:46:47,756
[bruno_caron]: yes
1931
00:46:48,334 –> 00:46:51,359
[ramsey_d_smith]: in this space it means like
1932
00:46:51,185 –> 00:46:51,508
[bruno_caron]: my
1933
00:46:51,719 –> 00:46:51,799
[ramsey_d_smith]: you
1934
00:46:51,766 –> 00:46:52,029
[paul_tyler]: yeah
1935
00:46:51,839 –> 00:46:56,407
[ramsey_d_smith]: know coming at it the way andy
does right with first of all
1936
00:46:56,469 –> 00:46:56,490
[andy_panko]: m
1937
00:46:56,487 –> 00:46:56,708
[ramsey_d_smith]: with
1938
00:46:57,245 –> 00:46:57,265
[bruno_caron]: m
1939
00:46:57,268 –> 00:46:58,591
[ramsey_d_smith]: sort of a know i brought her
1940
00:46:58,519 –> 00:46:58,680
[bruno_caron]: right
1941
00:46:58,671 –> 00:46:59,252
[ramsey_d_smith]: background
1942
00:47:00,515 –> 00:47:01,020
[bruno_caron]: oh
1943
00:47:01,234 –> 00:47:03,437
[ramsey_d_smith]: the right and center of structure around
flat fees
1944
00:47:03,755 –> 00:47:04,082
[bruno_caron]: oh
1945
00:47:04,399 –> 00:47:05,060
[ramsey_d_smith]: um and
1946
00:47:05,116 –> 00:47:05,380
[paul_tyler]: my
1947
00:47:05,120 –> 00:47:07,464
[ramsey_d_smith]: then sort of a clear understanding of
like
1948
00:47:07,355 –> 00:47:07,375
[bruno_caron]: m
1949
00:47:07,965 –> 00:47:10,749
[ramsey_d_smith]: where the real value ad is your
comment earlier about
1950
00:47:10,535 –> 00:47:10,737
[bruno_caron]: yeah
1951
00:47:11,090 –> 00:47:13,714
[ramsey_d_smith]: getting paid one per cent a year
for just proved ing bata
1952
00:47:13,916 –> 00:47:13,977
[bruno_caron]: m
1953
00:47:14,235 –> 00:47:14,355
[ramsey_d_smith]: right
1954
00:47:14,370 –> 00:47:14,532
[andy_panko]: yeah
1955
00:47:14,395 –> 00:47:14,855
[ramsey_d_smith]: bata comes
1956
00:47:14,804 –> 00:47:14,825
[bruno_caron]: m
1957
00:47:14,915 –> 00:47:16,337
[ramsey_d_smith]: for for free or very
1958
00:47:16,331 –> 00:47:16,475
[andy_panko]: yeah
1959
00:47:16,437 –> 00:47:18,098
[ramsey_d_smith]: close to it should it should you
can
1960
00:47:18,050 –> 00:47:18,192
[andy_panko]: yeah
1961
00:47:18,138 –> 00:47:18,979
[ramsey_d_smith]: get it for four basis
1962
00:47:18,845 –> 00:47:19,685
[bruno_caron]: my
1963
00:47:19,019 –> 00:47:21,542
[ramsey_d_smith]: points a vanguard right so the
1964
00:47:21,575 –> 00:47:21,837
[bruno_caron]: yeah
1965
00:47:22,062 –> 00:47:25,537
[ramsey_d_smith]: but all the rest of it right
the tax decisions
1966
00:47:25,145 –> 00:47:25,165
[bruno_caron]: m
1967
00:47:27,160 –> 00:47:30,806
[ramsey_d_smith]: all the other sort of all of
their planning work that you talk about that’s
1968
00:47:30,846 –> 00:47:30,966
[ramsey_d_smith]: where
1969
00:47:30,911 –> 00:47:31,093
[andy_panko]: yeah
1970
00:47:31,006 –> 00:47:32,028
[ramsey_d_smith]: the real value ad is
1971
00:47:32,796 –> 00:47:32,920
[andy_panko]: eh
1972
00:47:32,809 –> 00:47:33,631
[ramsey_d_smith]: and so clarity
1973
00:47:33,284 –> 00:47:33,305
[bruno_caron]: m
1974
00:47:33,350 –> 00:47:33,491
[andy_panko]: yeah
1975
00:47:33,771 –> 00:47:35,715
[ramsey_d_smith]: on that making sure geting paid for
that i think i think
1976
00:47:35,945 –> 00:47:36,248
[bruno_caron]: oh
1977
00:47:36,758 –> 00:47:39,385
[ramsey_d_smith]: i hope that that is the that
1978
00:47:39,425 –> 00:47:39,709
[bruno_caron]: oh
1979
00:47:39,466 –> 00:47:41,050
[ramsey_d_smith]: is the future of what of what
this
1980
00:47:41,040 –> 00:47:41,322
[andy_panko]: oh
1981
00:47:41,131 –> 00:47:42,541
[ramsey_d_smith]: industry looks like
1982
00:47:43,067 –> 00:47:43,107
[bruno_caron]: m
1983
00:47:43,320 –> 00:47:43,641
[andy_panko]: it seems
1984
00:47:43,586 –> 00:47:43,729
[paul_tyler]: yeah
1985
00:47:43,721 –> 00:47:44,382
[andy_panko]: clear the industry is
1986
00:47:44,414 –> 00:47:44,435
[bruno_caron]: m
1987
00:47:44,422 –> 00:47:46,187
[andy_panko]: going more towards planning and
1988
00:47:46,475 –> 00:47:47,045
[bruno_caron]: oh
1989
00:47:46,527 –> 00:47:47,149
[andy_panko]: away from just
1990
00:47:47,173 –> 00:47:47,194
[ramsey_d_smith]: m
1991
00:47:47,189 –> 00:47:49,795
[andy_panko]: investment management because that’s become cheap easy
and commoditized
1992
00:47:49,835 –> 00:47:50,855
[bruno_caron]: oh
1993
00:47:49,835 –> 00:47:51,398
[andy_panko]: to do and do well but
1994
00:47:51,754 –> 00:47:52,018
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
1995
00:47:52,030 –> 00:47:55,776
[andy_panko]: just one sort of final thought from
me is i don’t i can’t stand when
1996
00:47:55,856 –> 00:47:56,277
[andy_panko]: advisors
1997
00:47:56,015 –> 00:47:56,035
[bruno_caron]: m
1998
00:47:56,357 –> 00:47:59,222
[andy_panko]: say my value is going to be
at least x dollars or my value
1999
00:47:59,255 –> 00:47:59,661
[bruno_caron]: oh
2000
00:47:59,262 –> 00:48:02,227
[andy_panko]: will be at least double my fee
and plying you quantify
2001
00:48:02,255 –> 00:48:02,497
[bruno_caron]: oh
2002
00:48:02,287 –> 00:48:03,529
[andy_panko]: your value you can’t
2003
00:48:03,556 –> 00:48:04,156
[paul_tyler]: yeah
2004
00:48:03,910 –> 00:48:04,371
[andy_panko]: for example
2005
00:48:04,955 –> 00:48:04,975
[bruno_caron]: m
2006
00:48:05,092 –> 00:48:06,174
[andy_panko]: claiming social security
2007
00:48:06,404 –> 00:48:06,425
[bruno_caron]: m
2008
00:48:07,176 –> 00:48:08,499
[andy_panko]: tremendous amount of value
2009
00:48:08,547 –> 00:48:08,567
[bruno_caron]: m
2010
00:48:08,759 –> 00:48:10,863
[andy_panko]: and helping someone get that decision right
2011
00:48:11,495 –> 00:48:11,716
[bruno_caron]: yeah
2012
00:48:11,545 –> 00:48:15,532
[andy_panko]: for them based on what you know
at the time but you don’t know until
2013
00:48:15,592 –> 00:48:16,133
[andy_panko]: years after
2014
00:48:15,935 –> 00:48:16,805
[bruno_caron]: my
2015
00:48:16,173 –> 00:48:19,258
[andy_panko]: the fact was ultimate the right decision
so for example
2016
00:48:18,935 –> 00:48:18,955
[bruno_caron]: m
2017
00:48:19,148 –> 00:48:19,168
[paul_tyler]: a
2018
00:48:19,439 –> 00:48:21,622
[andy_panko]: if i work with a single person
anticipated
2019
00:48:21,604 –> 00:48:21,885
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
2020
00:48:21,642 –> 00:48:22,283
[andy_panko]: to live till ninety
2021
00:48:22,055 –> 00:48:22,296
[bruno_caron]: oh
2022
00:48:23,626 –> 00:48:24,607
[andy_panko]: the answer is going to probably
2023
00:48:24,635 –> 00:48:24,655
[bruno_caron]: m
2024
00:48:24,647 –> 00:48:28,138
[andy_panko]: be delay or social security to seven
um you
2025
00:48:28,114 –> 00:48:28,315
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
2026
00:48:28,178 –> 00:48:28,760
[andy_panko]: know what if she dies
2027
00:48:28,745 –> 00:48:29,130
[bruno_caron]: oh
2028
00:48:28,820 –> 00:48:31,930
[andy_panko]: at sixty a hit by truck out
of the blue she’s
2029
00:48:31,865 –> 00:48:32,167
[bruno_caron]: oh
2030
00:48:32,190 –> 00:48:36,077
[andy_panko]: financially worse off because she would have
spent down a lot more assets in delaying
2031
00:48:35,864 –> 00:48:35,885
[bruno_caron]: m
2032
00:48:36,117 –> 00:48:36,898
[andy_panko]: social security
2033
00:48:37,775 –> 00:48:37,795
[bruno_caron]: m
2034
00:48:37,920 –> 00:48:38,942
[andy_panko]: less goes to her kids
2035
00:48:38,894 –> 00:48:38,915
[bruno_caron]: m
2036
00:48:39,002 –> 00:48:41,346
[andy_panko]: or her charity or her whatever so
in hindsight
2037
00:48:41,315 –> 00:48:42,335
[bruno_caron]: oh
2038
00:48:41,726 –> 00:48:44,631
[andy_panko]: that decision costs that client potentially ten
thousands of dollars
2039
00:48:44,465 –> 00:48:44,485
[bruno_caron]: m
2040
00:48:44,751 –> 00:48:45,653
[andy_panko]: of social security
2041
00:48:45,604 –> 00:48:45,926
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
2042
00:48:45,734 –> 00:48:45,755
[bruno_caron]: m
2043
00:48:46,855 –> 00:48:46,955
[andy_panko]: that
2044
00:48:46,895 –> 00:48:47,180
[bruno_caron]: oh
2045
00:48:46,995 –> 00:48:50,761
[andy_panko]: doesn’t mean i didn’t add value it
was the right decision at the time but
2046
00:48:50,862 –> 00:48:51,062
[andy_panko]: let’s
2047
00:48:51,035 –> 00:48:51,055
[bruno_caron]: m
2048
00:48:51,162 –> 00:48:53,205
[andy_panko]: not pretend we can quantify the value
2049
00:48:53,045 –> 00:48:53,350
[bruno_caron]: oh
2050
00:48:53,446 –> 00:48:56,311
[andy_panko]: in these more abstract the things
2051
00:48:56,405 –> 00:48:56,425
[bruno_caron]: m
2052
00:48:56,471 –> 00:48:57,673
[andy_panko]: like financial planning
2053
00:48:57,494 –> 00:48:57,515
[bruno_caron]: m
2054
00:48:57,773 –> 00:48:59,917
[andy_panko]: like decision making like the comfort we
provide
2055
00:48:59,555 –> 00:48:59,575
[bruno_caron]: m
2056
00:48:59,977 –> 00:49:03,362
[andy_panko]: and helping someone sleep better at night
you can’t
2057
00:49:03,155 –> 00:49:03,377
[bruno_caron]: yeah
2058
00:49:03,623 –> 00:49:06,107
[andy_panko]: so let’s get off this thing that
percent of assets is
2059
00:49:06,124 –> 00:49:06,372
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
2060
00:49:06,147 –> 00:49:07,650
[andy_panko]: the way to determine value it’s just
2061
00:49:07,594 –> 00:49:07,815
[ramsey_d_smith]: oh
2062
00:49:07,730 –> 00:49:12,924
[andy_panko]: it’s so not flat fee is not
even knowing i can’t qualify the value and
2063
00:49:12,984 –> 00:49:16,410
[andy_panko]: people perceive value differently i can do
the same thing for client avers client b
2064
00:49:16,657 –> 00:49:16,739
[bruno_caron]: ah
2065
00:49:16,970 –> 00:49:20,136
[andy_panko]: client b may think it’s the best
thing ever client maybe like a whatever
2066
00:49:19,985 –> 00:49:20,212
[bruno_caron]: yeah
2067
00:49:20,857 –> 00:49:22,981
[andy_panko]: um so how do i tempt to
charge
2068
00:49:22,775 –> 00:49:22,795
[bruno_caron]: m
2069
00:49:23,041 –> 00:49:27,768
[andy_panko]: on value you can’t so charge on
what you do know hour spent resources provided
2070
00:49:27,929 –> 00:49:29,071
[andy_panko]: level of experts needed
2071
00:49:29,015 –> 00:49:29,035
[bruno_caron]: m
2072
00:49:29,411 –> 00:49:32,276
[andy_panko]: et cetera et cetera that’s why i
think this fee structure makes sense that’s why
2073
00:49:32,255 –> 00:49:32,499
[bruno_caron]: yes
2074
00:49:32,396 –> 00:49:34,259
[andy_panko]: i think it’s the fee structure of
the future
2075
00:49:34,024 –> 00:49:34,287
[ramsey_d_smith]: yeah
2076
00:49:34,941 –> 00:49:35,422
[andy_panko]: hence maybe
2077
00:49:35,435 –> 00:49:35,455
[bruno_caron]: m
2078
00:49:35,462 –> 00:49:37,366
[andy_panko]: i can help you future prove your
practice but that may
2079
00:49:37,417 –> 00:49:37,438
[paul_tyler]: i
2080
00:49:37,426 –> 00:49:38,488
[andy_panko]: be too bold of a statement to
say
2081
00:49:38,825 –> 00:49:39,086
[bruno_caron]: yeah
2082
00:49:39,596 –> 00:49:40,918
[paul_tyler]: this is great this is
2083
00:49:41,411 –> 00:49:41,493
[bruno_caron]: ah
2084
00:49:41,419 –> 00:49:44,705
[paul_tyler]: andy so how do people find your
facebook
2085
00:49:44,375 –> 00:49:44,636
[bruno_caron]: oh
2086
00:49:44,825 –> 00:49:46,208
[paul_tyler]: group your youtubechannel
2087
00:49:45,390 –> 00:49:45,691
[andy_panko]: oh
2088
00:49:47,089 –> 00:49:47,670
[paul_tyler]: your site
2089
00:49:47,795 –> 00:49:47,815
[bruno_caron]: m
2090
00:49:47,851 –> 00:49:47,951
[paul_tyler]: or
2091
00:49:47,944 –> 00:49:48,232
[ramsey_d_smith]: yah
2092
00:49:48,492 –> 00:49:48,752
[paul_tyler]: follow
2093
00:49:49,244 –> 00:49:49,265
[bruno_caron]: m
2094
00:49:49,333 –> 00:49:49,834
[paul_tyler]: your writings
2095
00:49:51,311 –> 00:49:51,832
[andy_panko]: best way
2096
00:49:51,695 –> 00:49:51,976
[bruno_caron]: oh
2097
00:49:51,972 –> 00:49:55,958
[andy_panko]: probably is just go to my business
website ten in financial dot com that’s t
2098
00:49:55,955 –> 00:49:56,196
[bruno_caron]: oh
2099
00:49:56,459 –> 00:49:59,504
[andy_panko]: n o n financial dot com i
have a free resources
2100
00:49:59,315 –> 00:50:00,335
[bruno_caron]: oh
2101
00:49:59,584 –> 00:50:02,449
[andy_panko]: section that has links to all my
social spots
2102
00:50:02,909 –> 00:50:02,950
[bruno_caron]: m
2103
00:50:03,050 –> 00:50:03,992
[andy_panko]: plus a bunch of other free
2104
00:50:03,884 –> 00:50:03,905
[bruno_caron]: m
2105
00:50:04,072 –> 00:50:06,656
[andy_panko]: handouts i made there’s no lead captures
clicking at downloads
2106
00:50:06,485 –> 00:50:06,707
[bruno_caron]: yeah
2107
00:50:06,676 –> 00:50:09,661
[andy_panko]: you don’t have to give your name
or email all sorts of fun stuff there
2108
00:50:09,781 –> 00:50:09,882
[andy_panko]: for
2109
00:50:09,815 –> 00:50:10,057
[bruno_caron]: yeah
2110
00:50:09,922 –> 00:50:12,766
[andy_panko]: advisors alike you know not just clients
but advisors alike can get a lot of
2111
00:50:12,867 –> 00:50:13,087
[andy_panko]: a lot of
2112
00:50:13,115 –> 00:50:13,337
[bruno_caron]: oh
2113
00:50:13,127 –> 00:50:14,850
[andy_panko]: value out of it so there you
go
2114
00:50:15,726 –> 00:50:18,110
[paul_tyler]: awesome all right hey thanks so much
ramsey
2115
00:50:17,970 –> 00:50:18,171
[andy_panko]: oh
2116
00:50:18,310 –> 00:50:19,853
[paul_tyler]: bruno andy and
2117
00:50:19,905 –> 00:50:20,086
[bruno_caron]: thank
2118
00:50:20,068 –> 00:50:20,190
[andy_panko]: yeah
2119
00:50:20,073 –> 00:50:20,233
[paul_tyler]: thanks
2120
00:50:20,146 –> 00:50:20,287
[bruno_caron]: you
2121
00:50:20,271 –> 00:50:20,433
[andy_panko]: cool
2122
00:50:20,524 –> 00:50:20,707
[ramsey_d_smith]: thank
2123
00:50:20,714 –> 00:50:20,874
[paul_tyler]: thanks
2124
00:50:20,768 –> 00:50:20,889
[ramsey_d_smith]: you
2125
00:50:21,455 –> 00:50:23,218
[paul_tyler]: hey thanks for all our listeners give
us feedback
2126
00:50:22,955 –> 00:50:23,500
[bruno_caron]: oh
2127
00:50:23,359 –> 00:50:25,182
[paul_tyler]: tell us who we should have on
and and
2128
00:50:25,170 –> 00:50:25,800
[andy_panko]: yeah
2129
00:50:26,075 –> 00:50:26,358
[bruno_caron]: oh
2130
00:50:26,303 –> 00:50:28,369
[paul_tyler]: give us question so thank and join
2131
00:50:28,350 –> 00:50:28,553
[andy_panko]: oh
2132
00:50:28,429 –> 00:50:30,177
[paul_tyler]: us again next week for another episode
2133
00:50:29,804 –> 00:50:29,825
[bruno_caron]: m
2134
00:50:30,318 –> 00:50:31,583
[paul_tyler]: of that annuity show
2135
00:50:31,955 –> 00:50:32,238
[bruno_caron]: oh
2136
00:50:32,826 –> 00:50:33,159
[andy_panko]: thank you all
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